This do not make any sense though? Because if you send small 20 minute update every few months, the game will still take the same time to play in the end. It only is broken up to smaller chunks. You do not change how long it take for the game to finished, only how many updates are in the end version. And many small bits are sometimes less good as the whole, like measuring the TV by episodes vs seasons. It is not like there are not other good games to play while wait for the update, and there is nothing to do to change the end time, so why to worry?
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You seem very new to this, so i will answer. The thing it change is the developer s motivation...
For now the worth of vn game are abandonned games, nearly 50% of the game you see here will be abandonned before the end. So you learn with time to choose the game to invest time, because i have not the time to read all the game here so i must choose.
So when you have a game with years update, its not a good sign this will go until the end, that why " i ask myslef how many update left ? wll i really wait 10 years to see the end ? in just a vn game, not a fuching gta 6...." 10 years it s a too long time to wait to see the end of a vn story for me. A lot a complet game did better in the past, but this change slowly.
And here come the milking or the artificial increase in the time needed to end for a longer period of money inflow... and the dev motivation to make this game. If you read what this dev said in the past you be worried we are a the 2 or 3 update and he already talk about burnout with more of year update, he go help other dev while this game have one of the largest time dev of f95, it s not really looking good to my point of view. It s only the start of this game... The game is nice ok, but a nice game is not all, the time of dev is important too for me.
Now sure there are a lot of game in f95 but even if i m here for story, i dont like kinetic (they are not game but comics, ebook and i m here to play games) i dont like sandbox (i don t want to be lock in a maze hunting for event and do them again and again to get points to unlock. and a lot are just kinetic where you choose in what order to read chapter but 0 choice for the story), and since patreon put a war on vn, ntr invaded nearly all the vn (not it s become most popular but because they are the next cow milk for dev...) and i really don t like this, so no there is not really a lot of game to read here and wait more than a year to read an update for a good game and maybe not see the end, and it is a probleme for me. if you are good with it great for you, wait for it by playing another game, i can only talk for me...
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On the topic of Dev Motivation, there is also the money aspect. The Dev complained in the past that other games have a bigger following despite being of lower quality than Realm Invader. And I would agree, quality-wise there is not much which can compare to this game. However, those other games have a consistent Update-schedule...
I dont pay money for a game which only gets one Update every 18 months or so. Why would I pay money for it when I dont get any game for 17 months out of 18 months? I dont really care about Wallpapers or anything, so I will not be motivated to pay money.
And even if I would only pay when an Update comes out, the Update-schedule makes it easy to just not pay. If I wait 18 months for an Update, I can also wait 19 months for the Update and play it for free because it becomes public. One month in advance does nothing there and since the next Update will be over a year from there, I would not even fall behind in the slightest and there is plenty of time to play the new Update.
So I think with a different Update-schedule the Dev would also have more paying members on his Patreon. But it is obviously up to them how they want to handle it, they want to provide massive Updates with nearly 20 months in between them, even tho they would still be able to provide huge Updates with 4 months in between them. And the latter would probably result in more financial support.
I dont pay money for a game which only gets one Update every 18 months or so. Why would I pay money for it when I dont get any game for 17 months out of 18 months? I dont really care about Wallpapers or anything, so I will not be motivated to pay money.
And even if I would only pay when an Update comes out, the Update-schedule makes it easy to just not pay. If I wait 18 months for an Update, I can also wait 19 months for the Update and play it for free because it becomes public. One month in advance does nothing there and since the next Update will be over a year from there, I would not even fall behind in the slightest and there is plenty of time to play the new Update.
So I think with a different Update-schedule the Dev would also have more paying members on his Patreon. But it is obviously up to them how they want to handle it, they want to provide massive Updates with nearly 20 months in between them, even tho they would still be able to provide huge Updates with 4 months in between them. And the latter would probably result in more financial support.
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I do agree with the general sentiment but:
But yeah some middle ground would be nice, more than a year between updates when we are barely at episode 2 is a bit rough even with the current amount of content. At this rate real life will get in his way before he finishes.
I haven't seen any game that can provide "huge" updates with 4 months in between them, that's just not realistic specially with the degree of quality it has right now.
But yeah some middle ground would be nice, more than a year between updates when we are barely at episode 2 is a bit rough even with the current amount of content. At this rate real life will get in his way before he finishes.
I just think that if the Dev would split the Updates into smaller chunks which release every 4 months or so, they would still be quite big. Maybe not every Update would feature a H-Scene, but given how huge the Updates are when they are released, it is safe to assume that portions of it would also be quite big.
One question. Before I download that, I want to know if that walkthrough mod works on the android version too. Before anyone asks, that android version is on the dev's itch.io and the dev's patreon. Dunno why its not posted here too but whatevs. Back to the question, does that bad boy work for the android version? Regardless of the answer, thanks in advance for taking the time out to answer the question
I hope not, as Patreon seems to have had an update 5 days ago. I could be in denial though, because I want more of the tone & vibe of this game in my veins immediately.
April 26 he gave timeline of roughly
Best case : mid June
Expected late June - early July
Worst case : rabies
Dont pay too much attention to this person. His post activity is 90% hating on another game and the rest is asking or stating that a game is dead.
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Dev update
# **I'm making myself miserable (and that's a good thing)** #
Okay, all business. Funny dev guy makes no funny dev guy jokes.
Pretty sure I've missed/am missing the window I alluded to earlier, but I did warn about it not being accurate.
Anyway, I've entered depression speedrun mode, i.e. pretty much my entire life is being dedicated to finishing this update right now, sacrificing basically 100% of my free time outside of work.
The results have been great, and the past few days have seen rates of progress maybe faster than ever during this update cycle. It's a really painful throwback to how I developed the last two updates, and the fact that I worked like this for over a year for those really makes it obvious how I became jaded when starting Ep 2 Pt 2. Regardless, I'm going to keep up this pace until the update is out, basically because the finish line is so visible that any kind of procrastination would be excruciating for me to conceptualize, seeing that finish line getting further away.
Also, whenever I make one of these posts, I get a few "please take care of yourself" comments. Please don't do that this time, I know what I'm doing, I know how much I can handle. This is a very deliberate shift in workload that has a clear end goal in mind.
Right now, I'm in the final animation batch, with about 9 animations left to do, and about 80 renders remaining. In terms of renders, this tried-and-true method of self-torture has consistently put me on 40+ render days, so I'm not worried about those 80 static renders taking long.
As for the animations, I'm unsure. the reason I missed that window I last announced is because those previous animations took longer than I thought they would. They look great, so I'm not mad about that, but the animations looking better than ever unsurprisingly leads to them taking longer to make.
But also, those previous animations were done while I was semi-locked in, now I'm locked the FUCK in.
No announcement of a realease window this time, just because I don't want to get it wrong again and embarrass myself. But basically, soon. Sooner than ever.
More details in further posts, gonna put out the final preview batch for Resonants and above in the near future.
No sympathy for me, guys. Just let me fucking cook.
- Gary
# **I'm making myself miserable (and that's a good thing)** #
Okay, all business. Funny dev guy makes no funny dev guy jokes.
Pretty sure I've missed/am missing the window I alluded to earlier, but I did warn about it not being accurate.
Anyway, I've entered depression speedrun mode, i.e. pretty much my entire life is being dedicated to finishing this update right now, sacrificing basically 100% of my free time outside of work.
The results have been great, and the past few days have seen rates of progress maybe faster than ever during this update cycle. It's a really painful throwback to how I developed the last two updates, and the fact that I worked like this for over a year for those really makes it obvious how I became jaded when starting Ep 2 Pt 2. Regardless, I'm going to keep up this pace until the update is out, basically because the finish line is so visible that any kind of procrastination would be excruciating for me to conceptualize, seeing that finish line getting further away.
Also, whenever I make one of these posts, I get a few "please take care of yourself" comments. Please don't do that this time, I know what I'm doing, I know how much I can handle. This is a very deliberate shift in workload that has a clear end goal in mind.
Right now, I'm in the final animation batch, with about 9 animations left to do, and about 80 renders remaining. In terms of renders, this tried-and-true method of self-torture has consistently put me on 40+ render days, so I'm not worried about those 80 static renders taking long.
As for the animations, I'm unsure. the reason I missed that window I last announced is because those previous animations took longer than I thought they would. They look great, so I'm not mad about that, but the animations looking better than ever unsurprisingly leads to them taking longer to make.
But also, those previous animations were done while I was semi-locked in, now I'm locked the FUCK in.
No announcement of a realease window this time, just because I don't want to get it wrong again and embarrass myself. But basically, soon. Sooner than ever.
More details in further posts, gonna put out the final preview batch for Resonants and above in the near future.
No sympathy for me, guys. Just let me fucking cook.
- Gary
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I think in terms of sexual scene frequency, it's fair to compare it to Eternum. However there's no penetration scene yet. In terms of plot it makes sense because the LIs are either family members, a virgin, and a slave to whom MC is trying to be considerate (and of course he fails for various reasons). But it does feel like the story is going to erupt (sexually) at any time.
I'd say it's above average in terms of scene count, but the relationship/sexual progression is slower than average. However do keep in mind that while updates are sizeable, they take a long time to release, so this may affect my perception.
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None. Or at least not penetrative, sorry.
Hey, guys. I actually do check this thread occasionally, but no, I still have no intent to become active here.
Thought I'd chime in on the sexual content debacle, seeing as the new update is almost finished and this place complains about it way more than anywhere else. I'm expecting a wave of moaning and 1/2-star reviews (which is pretty much a review rule 5 violation, but whatever.)
This game has a long fuse, always did. I'm having a very deliberate approach to both not ruin sexual tension, or do any kind of character assassination. It's not malicious, and it's not because I'm scared of sex or whatever the fuck.
But seriously, if, for example, the MC had sex with Chloe or Stella in the last or the upcoming update, how does that not feel like a 180 on their relationship? Not only that, but what kind of room is left for their relationship to develop? If you think you have an answer, that's cool, but when I weigh stuff like that against what I already have planned for the story/relationships, I really can't find a way to implement it without butchering the sexual pacing.
So then we have scene fodder, which can be used to supplement progress with the main girls. This is a personal one to me that we might just disagree with, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. But my stance is basically that the MC losing his virginity to some side hoe or a prostitute is one of the fucking lamest things I could possibly do. Some of you wouldn't care and just want a scene to jork your shit to, but then your goals simply aren't aligned with mine. Some players will also share my viewpoint, I can't please everyone, so I'm sticking with what I think makes for more meaningful pacing. (On that topic, I kind of do regret making the main character a virgin for this exact reason, and now that decision carries baggage with it on my writing.)
"Erupt" is maybe a little much, but basically this. That's why earlier I said the game is a "long fuse" game, not a "slow burn" one. Once I get all this pre-amble and sexual tension out of the way, sexual development and pacing will go way up to something that aligns more with what most of you probably want.
I have loads of sex and sexual content planned out, quite literally in a text document, I just need to take the necessary steps to get there, and it's somewhat soon. The pussyfooting around sexual content and the main story is going to end at episode 3 i.e. the next update. I feel like this update I'm about to put out finishes out the waffling and tension-building I have planned. So yeah, sorry, more blue balling and shit for one more update. Dunno if warning you about that is better or worse. Starting with Episode 3, the plans contain at least one full-penetration scene per-episode, and that's a trend I very much hope to maintain for the rest of the game.
Also, the elephant in the room. A lot of frustrations with progression are tied to update times. I get it. But I'm not a fucking millionaire like some other devs, I'm not doing this maliciously. I don't develop this game full-time, I don't get external help despite trying to push as much quality as possible into multiple aspects, and this year in particular I've had issues such as being forced out of my workspace due to emergency repairs on my (rented) house, and the death of my father.
So sorry, I guess? For taking so long and for writing a slower story. I guess what I'm trying to say is try to just enjoy the ride I'm trying to take you on? Put your dick away if you really have to, or come back in 9 years when there's more content, I dunno, just adapt to your own expectations because I'm not going to. I know what story I'm writing, I know what my characters will do, I'm not flinching lest I risk harming the game due to crowdpleasing for a cheap pop instead of executing a plan.
If it's any consolation, the update after this one is planned out, and is way shorter and digestible, so while not making outright promises, I genuinely believe Episode 3 Pt 1 will be made in a matter of months. This aligns with the uptick in story/sexual development I wrote about a couple paragraphs up. The reason my updates are so big right now is because nothing is fucking happening and I'd rather put out 3 big updates of slow progression, than 20 updates of the same slow progression. Again, that might just be a me thing.
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Mate most of the people here love your game, it gets mentioned in most honey select game threads, reviews are almost five stars. Everyone's just looking forward to the next update. Just chill and do your thing. Create Your game the way You want, most people would enjoy it. Can't please everyone. cheers.