Ren'Py Rebel Duet [v0.13b] [ionDivvy]

[Rehwyn]

It's the same, plus there are no other categories on this page, just "ntr." I'm also curious if she'll be completely faithful to the protagonist, if she'll only do it when the protagonist allows it, and if it's true that she's happy because the protagonist is happy. But look at the dev comment above, which says she won't explore these fetishes, so it'll be a "romantic" sharing, with no further exploration.

It doesn't matter if it's optional, there are people who don't understand that, they are very intense, they have even caused other devs to abandon their ideas.

Netorare and netorase are absolutely not the same. One is cheating and the other is not. And using NTR instead of NTS adds unnecessary confusion to the type of content in this game, which is why I clarified.

As for if the dev sticks with including consensual sharing/swinging, this isn't the first game this dev has made with sharing/swinging in it. Their other game has a good bit too and many of their supporters enjoy that type of content, so I doubt they're going to drop it.

 

[Hfap5]

Netorare and netorase are absolutely not the same. One is cheating and the other is not. And using NTR instead of NTS adds unnecessary confusion to the type of content in this game, which is why I clarified.

As for if the dev sticks with including consensual sharing/swinging, this isn't the first game this dev has made with sharing/swinging in it. Their other game has a good bit too and many of their supporters enjoy that type of content, so I doubt they're going to drop it.

It's the same thing, the woman is screwed by another man. I'm not going to argue about that; an admin here is really into me and deletes my comments whenever he gets the chance.
About that another game, the protagonist is a woman so It’s ridiculous, in games where the woman is the protagonist, nobody cares about the boyfriend, they just want to see the female character have sex, "ntr" games where the protagonist is a woman are a mistake

 

[Daermon420]

Netorare and netorase are absolutely not the same.

You're right they're not exactly the same. But they're practically brothers. Both are cuckold protagonist content where the woman gets fucked by other guys. Only difference being that NTR the protag hates it while NTS the protag likes it and encourages it.

As for if the dev sticks with including consensual sharing/swinging, this isn't the first game this dev has made with sharing/swinging in it. Their other game has a good bit too and many of their supporters enjoy that type of content, so I doubt they're going to drop it.

I don't see why they'd stop including NTS content either, many clearly like it. As long as it's optional and the no sharing route keeps getting content as well I'll happily keep playing. This is a pretty damn good game so far and hoping it actually hits completed one day.

 

[Rehwyn]

You're right they're not exactly the same. But they're practically brothers. Both are cuckold protagonist content where the woman gets fucked by other guys. Only difference being that NTR the protag hates it while NTS the protag likes it and encourages it.

Consent makes a huge difference. The whole point of netorare is to cause feelings of jealousy and loss at the romantic partner being "stolen", whereas that's not the point of netorase. It's the reason there are two words in the first place.

 

[Daermon420]

Consent makes a huge difference. The whole point of netorare is to cause feelings of jealousy and loss at the romantic partner being "stolen", whereas that's not the point of netorase. It's the reason there are two words in the first place.

Yeah, you're right, and I agreed there's a difference. But I wouldn't call it huge. Take 2 scenes, in both the protagonist is sitting in a corner watching his wife get fucked. The only difference between them is in NTR the protagonist is angry or sad, while in NTS he's probably jerking off with a grin as he watches.

Either way the wife's getting railed by someone else. I'm sure you can see why they're so often compared and nearly equally disliked by people not into content where their love interests are having sex with others, consent from the protagonist or not. Put another way, if the NTS suddenly became forced and we had to share Val for whatever reason, just because the protagonist likes it and consents doesn't mean the reader does.

Luckily in this game we can choose whether to allow that or not.

 

[Rehwyn]

Yeah, you're right, and I agreed there's a difference. But I wouldn't call it huge. Take 2 scenes, in both the protagonist is sitting in a corner watching his wife get fucked. The only difference between them is in NTR the protagonist is angry or sad, while in NTS he's probably jerking off with a grin as he watches.

Either way the wife's getting railed by someone else. I'm sure you can see why they're so often compared and nearly equally disliked by people not into content where their love interests are having sex with others, consent from the protagonist or not. Put another way, if the NTS suddenly became forced and we had to share Val suddenly for whatever reason, just because the protagonist likes it and consents doesn't mean the reader does.

Luckily in this game we can choose whether to allow that or not.

For people that dislike sharing/swinging, I can see why they'd equate them since they wouldn't consent, making all such content netorare by default.

For people that are comfortable with sharing/swinging, it's a pretty big difference. Consent makes the difference between it being cheating or not. And I think most people can agree a romantic partner cheating is very different from one not cheating.

And as ionDivvy said, any sharing/swinging content in Rebel Duet will be with the MC's (and the reader's) consent. That's why the game has the 'swinging' tag but not the 'netorare' tag.

 

[Daermon420]

For people that dislike sharing/swinging, I can see why they'd equate them since they wouldn't consent, making all such content netorare by default.

For people that are comfortable with it, it's a pretty big difference. Consent makes the difference between it being cheating or not. And I think most people can agree a romantic partner cheating is very different from one not cheating.

And as ionDivvy said, any sharing/swinging content in Rebel Duet will be with the MC's (and the reader's) consent.

I'm actually fine with swinging, enjoy it even. It's an equal exchange and everyone has some fun, the protagonist with the other woman, the gf/wife with the other guy. NTS isn't equal though, it's one sided and only enjoyable if you like to watch your love interest have sex with someone else. But now since NTS falls under the swinging tag it makes finding actual swinging games much more difficult.

Sadly there isn't a good tag for NTS content here. Neither NTR or swinging really fit. I'd argue NTR is closer, simply because act wise they're so similar. But you're right, even then it's a far from perfect comparison and jealousy content is not what someone who enjoys sharing would be looking for.

I'm really hoping they actually do the tag overhaul that's been discussed for years now soon to fix things like this.

 

[Rehwyn]

I'm actually fine with swinging, enjoy it even. It's an equal exchange and everyone has some fun, the protagonist with the other woman, the gf/wife with the other guy. NTS isn't equal though, it's one sided and only enjoyable if you like to watch your love interest have sex with someone else. But now since NTS falls under the swinging tag it makes finding actual swinging games much more difficult.

Sadly there isn't a good tag for NTS content here. Neither NTR or swinging really fit. I'd argue NTR is closer, simply because act wise they're so similar. But you're right, even then it's a far from perfect comparison and jealousy content is not what someone who enjoys sharing would be looking for.

I'm really hoping they actually do the tag overhaul that's been discussed for years now soon to fix things like this.

I do completely agree that the site tags about consensual non-monogamy are in desperate need of updates. The new proposed ones aren't perfect, but definitely will be much better whenever they get around to it.

For now though, I'll point out that the current site tag definition for swinging does fit the current Rebel Duet content.



Probably not entirely accurate, but it's the best we have for now since there isn't a 'sharing' or 'netorase' tag.

In any case, the whole reason I brought this up in the first place was to make it absolutely clear Val doesn't have sex with anyone else without the MC/player consenting (which some people might have been led to believe was the case by someone calling the sharing/swinging content NTR).

 

[Cabin]

Man loved the new update . Patiently waiting for some bdsm scenes in the future

 

[jclosed]

I'm actually fine with swinging, enjoy it even. It's an equal exchange and everyone has some fun, the protagonist with the other woman, the gf/wife with the other guy. NTS isn't equal though, it's one sided and only enjoyable if you like to watch your love interest have sex with someone else. But now since NTS falls under the swinging tag it makes finding actual swinging games much more difficult.

Sadly there isn't a good tag for NTS content here. Neither NTR or swinging really fit. I'd argue NTR is closer, simply because act wise they're so similar. But you're right, even then it's a far from perfect comparison and jealousy content is not what someone who enjoys sharing would be looking for.

I'm really hoping they actually do the tag overhaul that's been discussed for years now soon to fix things like this.

Well - I am on this site for a few years now, and sadly it seems the maintainers ore unwilling or not capable to add the NTS label. I once hoped they would even do the fine tuning by replacing the generic NTR label with Netorase, Netori and Netorare, but I guess that was too much to ask. I guess it's too much work to make that distinction between NTS and NTR. By the way - I think that people publishing the games here should be clear what type of NTR or NTS is in the game/VN, simply to avoid the sometimes endless and often very agitated discussions about the direction the game/VN is heading.

Lucky enough some of the uploaders/developers are very clear about the direction of their creations. Personally I like NTS, but dislike NTR, and it can sometimes be a real PITA to find out what type of game/VN I am dealing with because of the use of that generic NTR label. Some games/VN's are labled as NTR, while in reality it's NTS. And as said - It can be a real PITA to figure out what the game/VN is all about...

 

[NewTricks]

Well - I am on this site for a few years now, and sadly it seems the maintainers ore unwilling or not capable to add the NTS label. I once hoped they would even do the fine tuning by replacing the generic NTR label with Netorase, Netori and Netorare, but I guess that was too much to ask. I guess it's too much work to make that distinction between NTS and NTR. By the way - I think that people publishing the games here should be clear what type of NTR or NTS is in the game/VN, simply to avoid the sometimes endless and often very agitated discussions about the direction the game/VN is heading.

Lucky enough some of the uploaders/developers are very clear about the direction of their creations. Personally I like NTS, but dislike NTR, and it can sometimes be a real PITA to find out what type of game/VN I am dealing with because of the use of that generic NTR label. Some games/VN's are labled as NTR, while in reality it's NTS. And as said - It can be a real PITA to figure out what the game/VN is all about...

NTS is usually considered to fall under the swinging tag, since it is consensual and usually not intended to invoke negative emotions in the romantic partner who is being cuckolded. Sometimes it is tagged as voyeurism instead if that is the main element. So if NTS is what you want, ignore the NTR tag and look for the other two.

 

[jclosed]

NTS is usually considered to fall under the swinging tag, since it is consensual and usually not intended to invoke negative emotions in the romantic partner who is being cuckolded. Sometimes it is tagged as voyeurism instead if that is the main element. So if NTS is what you want, ignore the NTR tag and look for the other two.

While I agree with you, the problem here is that sometimes NTS is labeled as NTR, because of that missing NTS tag. Sure - I could avoid anything that is tagged with NTR, but then I would have missed some real gems here. In my eyes the only solution is to have (at least) two tags, namely NTS and NTR (that would avoid also a lot of toxic conversations). The ideal is, of course, the Netori, Netorase and Netorare tages, but I have given up a long time ago that this will ever been implemented on this site.

But thanks for your advice. It's much appreciated!

 

[Balbaar]

So is the female MC really its own thing or is it more of an afterthought where all the content's pretty much the same only a lesbian version? Because I remember trying this out a long time ago and it seemed to me that the latter was true since there were several bugs where the male version kinda bled into the female version, some of the dialogue seemed very much tailored to the male MC and there were no options at all for the female MC to have straight sex, which was all pretty disappointing to see.

Just curious to know if the female MC has become a more distinct experience compared to what I saw back then.

 

[Rehwyn]

So is the female MC really its own thing or is it more of an afterthought where all the content's pretty much the same only a lesbian version? Because I remember trying this out a long time ago and it seemed to me that the latter was true since there were several bugs where the male version kinda bled into the female version, some of the dialogue seemed very much tailored to the male MC and there were no options at all for the female MC to have straight sex, which was all pretty disappointing to see.

Just curious to know if the female MC has become a more distinct experience compared to what I saw back then.

The overall story and story-related dialogue are essentially the same, but I wouldn't expect that to be different. There's some minor dialogue branching in more casual conversations though and of course in terms of sex talk.

As for sex content, the 3 main LIs are women regardless of MC's gender, so straight sex as a female MC is going to be with side LIs or one-off encounters only. Some straight content has been added, but it's still a bit limited for now. One option is with a male prostitute. The other is a MFF on the open-sharing path with Val, though for now female MC doesn't do much with the particular guy here for believable reasons (though she'll likely do more next time). And it's been stated that there will be additional opportunities for straight sex as female MC in the future.

I will say the dev's other game is female MC only, and there's quite a bit of straight sex there. So ionDivvy is certainly capable of and willing to include it.

While I agree with you, the problem here is that sometimes NTS is labeled as NTR, because of that missing NTS tag. Sure - I could avoid anything that is tagged with NTR, but then I would have missed some real gems here. In my eyes the only solution is to have (at least) two tags, namely NTS and NTR (that would avoid also a lot of toxic conversations). The ideal is, of course, the Netori, Netorase and Netorare tages, but I have given up a long time ago that this will ever been implemented on this site.

But thanks for your advice. It's much appreciated!

The site's new proposed tags make much better distinction of this:

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Of course, they've been talking about updating the tags since like 2023, so who knows if/when they'll actually get around to this.

 

[BobZilla84]

I love the game but my only concern is the games weird time management system see as soon as you unlock the map feature you will have two or 3 scenes available at a time but the issue is you can only see two scenes a day before the game forces you along the story so you miss alot of stuff.

I think the dev wants to encourage replayability but honestly i think the days should be longer than it currently is seriously my last save was before Julian was being extorted and i had to pick between Val/Ann on the morning choice the the afternoon choice was Rena or the guy.

Again i love the game but the time management really sucks ass imo.

 

[Rehwyn]

I love the game but my only concern is the games weird time management system see as soon as you unlock the map feature you will have two or 3 scenes available at a time but the issue is you can only see two scenes a day before the game forces you along the story so you miss alot of stuff.

I think the dev wants to encourage replayability but honestly i think the days should be longer than it currently is seriously my last save was before Julian was being extorted and i had to pick between Val/Ann on the morning choice the the afternoon choice was Rena or the guy.

Again i love the game but the time management really sucks ass imo.

It's worth noting that many of these scenes seem to have more than one opportunity to see them. For example, if you don't see the Val morning scene during the first Free Day, you can instead see it the second Free Day.

 

[HunterSeeker]

I wanna commend iondivvy for rewriting the prologue. I haven't played this game in a long while. The first time I played it, I remember the prologue being sparse and being about a cringey simp of an MC (in the old prologue, he literally wanted to give his life to protect Valerie after meeting her). Iondivvy really did a great job doing some nice and short scenes doing worldbuilding and showing what a deadend situation the MC was in and giving more context to how he reacts to Valerie when being forcibly summoned to another world. I look forward to the completion of this game and keep up the great work.

 

[BobZilla84]

It's worth noting that many of these scenes seem to have more than one opportunity to see them. For example, if you don't see the Val morning scene during the first Free Day, you can instead see it the second Free Day.

Yeah but the scenes with the Girls would have been better if they didnt use up your time slots imo.That way the MC’s relationships with Val/Rena/Ann would all be expanded equally without having to choose between them.
Again I love this Game but only getting two scenes when we can is pretty bad imo.

 

[Balbaar]

The overall story and story-related dialogue are essentially the same, but I wouldn't expect that to be different. There's some minor dialogue branching in more casual conversations though and of course in terms of sex talk.

As for sex content, the 3 main LIs are women regardless of MC's gender, so straight sex as a female MC is going to be with side LIs or one-off encounters only. Some straight content has been added, but it's still a bit limited for now. One option is with a male prostitute. The other is a MFF on the open-sharing path with Val, though for now female MC doesn't do much with the particular guy here for believable reasons (though she'll likely do more next time). And it's been stated that there will be additional opportunities for straight sex as female MC in the future.

I will say the dev's other game is female MC only, and there's quite a bit of straight sex there. So ionDivvy is certainly capable of and willing to include it.

I understand, thanks for taking the time to clarify all that. I guess my best option for now is to just wait an 'X' amount of updates to see if the female MC's content becomes a bit more varied.

I have played the dev's other game and thought it was great, one of the best (if not the best) female MC games I've seen in my opinion. That's why I had pretty high hopes that this game was going to be at least somewhat similar content-wise but in a fantasy setting, and is also why I was a bit disappointed to find out that that wasn't the case (at least for the time being hopefully).

I have absolutely no problems with lesbian content and enjoy a good FxF scene the same as anyone else, but it does tend to get a bit boring for me rather quickly if that's the only thing the MC gets involved in for the entire game.

 

[Rehwyn]

I understand, thanks for taking the time to clarify all that. I guess my best option for now is to just wait an 'X' amount of updates to see if the female MC's content becomes a bit more varied.

I have played the dev's other game and thought it was great, one of the best (if not the best) female MC games I've seen in my opinion. That's why I had pretty high hopes that this game was going to be at least somewhat similar content-wise but in a fantasy setting, and is also why I was a bit disappointed to find out that that wasn't the case (at least for the time being hopefully).

I have absolutely no problems with lesbian content and enjoy a good FxF scene the same as anyone else, but it does tend to get a bit boring for me rather quickly if that's the only thing the MC gets involved in for the entire game.

That makes sense. I'm sure more optional FxM content will be added for female MC as this game goes further along, though it still probably will lean a bit more towards the FxF stuff since the three main LIs so far are women. That said, I could easily see the guy involved in the recent MFF threesome becoming a recurring partner or pseudo-LI for a female MC (the guy is Lucian, MC's alchemist boss, which is why she didn't immediately do stuff directly with him this time).