Trasher2018

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Updates to short and fewer and fewer choices. I would call this a Kinetic+ VN ^^

I dont mind long build ups and stuff, but for that the content delivery is to slow. When you break down the updates you see how boring they are.

What we did this time?
We looked at a dress, visited our old flat, we returned and kissed our "Goddess".
That was filled with a lot pointless talking. We learned nothing new. No character had any development or progress. (Edit: Ok, we have the confirmation with Astrid ... but yeah ..)

The dev has to break down his updates like this and see how bad they are "planned". We have to have at least 1 lewd scene or one of the main characters needs some development. And there should be at least 1 choice in every update. In the worst case - just a cosmetic choice without impact.
 

Ayhsel

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Sure... let's add a hundred million paths so that we can advance each path once every 5 years... really worked for so many projects... totally make sense for a story focused game that is barely laying up the world and that has sex only a feature as it is not build around it to just go around making MC force himself upon every girl.. After all, it is not like girls will hate him for raping them after they fall in love with his miraculous undead penis...

Yes.. these are great ideas people. So good Kathleen Kennedy might include them in her next Star Wars movie.
 

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i really dont wanna keep chasing Sharon like a lost little puppy, i have no interest in her and prefer Laurie but dont look like im going to have any option in it, i really like this and the story to a point just dont like Sharon and the fact there is barely any meaningful choices
 
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Sure... let's add a hundred million paths so that we can advance each path once every 5 years... really worked for so many projects... totally make sense for a story focused game that is barely laying up the world and that has sex only a feature as it is not build around it to just go around making MC force himself upon every girl.. After all, it is not like girls will hate him for raping them after they fall in love with his miraculous undead penis...

Yes.. these are great ideas people. So good Kathleen Kennedy might include them in her next Star Wars movie.
I might have missed it but I didn't see anyone asking for a hundred million paths. Plenty of games offer 2-3 different story branches and it has worked very well for them indeed.

If by forcing you mean the mind control thing that Sharon does all the time, then I see nothing wrong with that. It's a staple of Vampire lore from books, to movies, to games. The OG of all vampire stories ever has it as its central premise after all.
Of course the player should be given the choice on how they want to play their vampire but that gets us right back to the first point.

The game itself keeps hinting on this type of situation all the time anyway, in this very update MC thought about the blood doll thing. Give the option to do it, it would be an improvement from the type of treatment she is currently getting.

You know what isn't a great idea? Making a narrative-focused game where the player has no real influence on the...narrative.
 

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I might have missed it but I didn't see anyone asking for a hundred million paths. Plenty of games offer 2-3 different story branches and it has worked very well for them indeed.

If by forcing you mean the mind control thing that Sharon does all the time, then I see nothing wrong with that. It's a staple of Vampire lore from books, to movies, to games. The OG of all vampire stories ever has it as its central premise after all.
Of course the player should be given the choice on how they want to play their vampire but that gets us right back to the first point.

The game itself keeps hinting on this type of situation all the time anyway, in this very update MC thought about the blood doll thing. Give the option to do it, it would be an improvement from the type of treatment she is currently getting.

You know what isn't a great idea? Making a narrative-focused game where the player has no real influence on the...narrative.
First, you can see the consequences of MC forcing himself on a random person from MC's point of view, Miri. He felt like shit. Yet, you would think it is in character to have he mind rape his best friend, that is in such a situation because himself was a selfish douchebag?

How would being a blood doll be an improvement? Andrew even tells you that by barely feeding him, he has remained enough freedom to even go against her will. So being a slave is better than being a person?

REMINDER: we all would love to be in their shoes, but the premise here is that what happened to Laurie was not a nice result.

About choices, you are given the choice to treat Carmen as food. A few times already, so it is likely that it ill eventually happen. But that is different from the very moment you met jump on her. Thing is, those different reactions given so far can still converge to a sufficiently nice relationship in which MC can still treat her as a prisoner and she responds back without absolute hate. You would think that if MC has been raping her she would react the same way? If that was the case you would be complaining why is the game unrealistic that Carmen is not acting differently for every single meaningful choice given.

There is a reason why we are not given that many choices that affect deeply the story so early. Imagine simply 3 of those 2 meaningful choices. You would have potentially 8 different paths. Add an extra choice 2 options choice, that is 16. You realize now how fast we get to a hundred million paths? IT is called the curse of dimentionality, given that history trees grow exponentially with the dimension of variables.
This game is focused on the story, not on fucking the girls. Many games that you see give you a lot of choices essentially are turning on and off girls around a central path, to the point in which you can even remove some characters, without affecting the overall story.. Obviously not all, but those that are successfully doing something like that are essentially developers that do this as only job (and earn more than a few thousand dollars). This game is a side project, with developers having other jobs.

So no, I prefer a good narrative focused story, even if said story remains linear for a big part of what is going on. In fact, I would rather have no choice and making a kinetic novel, if it would be long enough, complex and interesting, than to make choices that are off character or simply would make story advance slower to be believable. MC might be immortal, but I am not.
 

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I think the game should have at least two paths; Good and Bad. The development is already slow for a kinetic novel anyway.
But that is not what I was talking about before.

You can introduce sex scenes with Laurie and Carmen every time they feed/you feed from them. It's lore friendly, vampires use sex to feed from their preys and the Kiss is known to be almost sexual for humans.

Another wasted scene? When you visit the Temple. The game shows our mommy vampfu as some evil bitch that time. Why not fuck her neonate or make him fuck some blood dolls just as a show of power?
As the game progresses more and more missed opportunities like those are piling up.
 

Ayhsel

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I think the game should have at least two paths; Good and Bad. The development is already slow for a kinetic novel anyway.
But that is not what I was talking about before.

You can introduce sex scenes with Laurie and Carmen every time they feed/you feed from them. It's lore friendly, vampires use sex to feed from their preys and the Kiss is known to be almost sexual for humans.

Another wasted scene? When you visit the Temple. The game shows our mommy vampfu as some evil bitch that time. Why not fuck her neonate or make him fuck some blood dolls just as a show of power?
As the game progresses more and more missed opportunities like those are piling up.
Ok.. and I think Coca cola should have the same taste with no sugar. But it is not true in real life as there are physical limitations. Whether you think development is fast or not, that is a valid opinion, though, but reality is what it is.

YOU can introduce any shit you want IF this was your novel. If you want, you can introduce Baby Yoda having sex with Laurie. But that is not something you need to do. THIS IS NOT A PORN GAME. Sex will happen when they feel it has to happen, no to please your necessity of quick fap.

IT is inconsistent for character development for MC to act like that. Regardless all his issues, he is not a saint, but MC is not a rapist. Miri scene essentially tells you that. You can mind rape her and not only MC feels like shit, there is an actual stain on his soul.
You keep saying "lore friendly" but let me tell you that given the lore the novel is based, it is also "lore friendly" for vampire emotions to be very strong. So imagine MC having vampire guilt for raping his best friend for 5 minutes pleasure. He cannot let her go and puts her in peril but he can rape her as nothing. TOTALLY MAKE SENSE. Sorry, but that is absolute terrible writing

It is also inconsistent for Calisto to act like that. She does not care a shit about MC more like to have fun. Supposedly, she already fuck him when she created MC. If MC proves himself interesting enough, she might give him attention. But a creature that has been living for a few thousand years will not jump to fuck the best random guy just to please you. She was bored and created MC to have fun, not to have sex.

You call them missed opportunities given that you are essentially counting sex as the ultimate objective of the novel. So chance in which MC's cock does not get wet, failure. Sorry, but this novel is not build around that. Never was, never will.
 
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RustyCooter

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The real shitty thing if there was to be 2 or more paths(good/evil/whatever) it would just means longer times for update. Or one month a good path update. Next month a bad path update. Fuck that. Keep it going as is. Let it play out however the dev sees fit.
 

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The real shitty thing if there was to be 2 or more paths(good/evil/whatever) it would just means longer times for update. Or one month a good path update. Next month a bad path update. Fuck that. Keep it going as is. Let it play out however the dev sees fit.
Indeed and if he decides that there will be good and bad paths there will be, but remember all that update with the fight with the feral Nos. We already saw in that update how the dev struggled with all options just the different powers MC might have had at that moment and how relation with Laurie was gave. Now do we want that every update?

LikesBlondes and Ptolemy are not Bioware and not even Bioware at close to their top could pull of the promise that your choices would have real consequences beyond three colored buttons in the end .........
 

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First, you can see the consequences of MC forcing himself on a random person from MC's point of view, Miri. He felt like shit. Yet, you would think it is in character to have he mind rape his best friend, that is in such a situation because himself was a selfish douchebag?

How would being a blood doll be an improvement? Andrew even tells you that by barely feeding him, he has remained enough freedom to even go against her will. So being a slave is better than being a person?

REMINDER: we all would love to be in their shoes, but the premise here is that what happened to Laurie was not a nice result.

About choices, you are given the choice to treat Carmen as food. A few times already, so it is likely that it ill eventually happen. But that is different from the very moment you met jump on her. Thing is, those different reactions given so far can still converge to a sufficiently nice relationship in which MC can still treat her as a prisoner and she responds back without absolute hate. You would think that if MC has been raping her she would react the same way? If that was the case you would be complaining why is the game unrealistic that Carmen is not acting differently for every single meaningful choice given.

There is a reason why we are not given that many choices that affect deeply the story so early. Imagine simply 3 of those 2 meaningful choices. You would have potentially 8 different paths. Add an extra choice 2 options choice, that is 16. You realize now how fast we get to a hundred million paths? IT is called the curse of dimentionality, given that history trees grow exponentially with the dimension of variables.
This game is focused on the story, not on fucking the girls. Many games that you see give you a lot of choices essentially are turning on and off girls around a central path, to the point in which you can even remove some characters, without affecting the overall story.. Obviously not all, but those that are successfully doing something like that are essentially developers that do this as only job (and earn more than a few thousand dollars). This game is a side project, with developers having other jobs.

So no, I prefer a good narrative focused story, even if said story remains linear for a big part of what is going on. In fact, I would rather have no choice and making a kinetic novel, if it would be long enough, complex and interesting, than to make choices that are off character or simply would make story advance slower to be believable. MC might be immortal, but I am not.
If I had to choose between being a thrall/sex slave and living in a cage that barely fits me while being fed on, I'd pick the former in an instant.

It would be in character, if we had an actual path where MC is gradually losing humanity to become more of a standard vampire. Power corrupts and it would be feasible within the current storyline if he was good at hiding it. Instead we are stuck playing a white knight at Sharon's beck and call. Which is my main issue with the linearity of this game.

Whenever I see an emotional/romantic scene between MC and Sharon I feel nothing. I share none of the attachment MC is written to have with her and I have seen nothing in the narrative that justifies him behaving like the king of simps. And that comes from someone who can enjoy pure femdom games. But the characters in those are consistent with the overall theme.

Let her be the flawed, annoying bitch she has been from the start but don't force my player character's interactions with her into the very narrow romance/servitude path. It's all about having agency in a narrative game.

And it's not really about having more porn for the sake of it, at least for me. While being sarcastic in the original post, I do think Bloodlines is a sexier game. Without actually showing any porn at all. It's all about character interactions and writing.

Yes, we have been given some flavor choices but have we seen any meaningful payoff from any of that? MC is practically the same dude no matter what they did with Laurie or Miri. As you said the changes need to be gradual to be believable but we should already be seeing that. Otherwise we might suddenly get a choice to side with Astrid/Caliisto or whomever is considered "bad guy"and it would be completely off character because MC hasn't been built up to support that. We can say these are reserved for the future but at 1,5 years old I'm not sure how much time is left for any meaningful branching.

As for the kinetic novel thing, no point arguing since it's a point of perspective. I don't consider a kinetic novel as game. If I start an update on Renpy, hit auto, sit back and watch it in its entirety without any interaction, I haven't played a game.
 

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If I had to choose between being a thrall/sex slave and living in a cage that barely fits me while being fed on, I'd pick the former in an instant.

It would be in character, if we had an actual path where MC is gradually losing humanity to become more of a standard vampire. Power corrupts and it would be feasible within the current storyline if he was good at hiding it. Instead we are stuck playing a white knight at Sharon's beck and call. Which is my main issue with the linearity of this game.

Whenever I see an emotional/romantic scene between MC and Sharon I feel nothing. I share none of the attachment MC is written to have with her and I have seen nothing in the narrative that justifies him behaving like the king of simps. And that comes from someone who can enjoy pure femdom games. But the characters in those are consistent with the overall theme.

Let her be the flawed, annoying bitch she has been from the start but don't force my player character's interactions with her into the very narrow romance/servitude path. It's all about having agency in a narrative game.

And it's not really about having more porn for the sake of it, at least for me. While being sarcastic in the original post, I do think Bloodlines is a sexier game. Without actually showing any porn at all. It's all about character interactions and writing.

Yes, we have been given some flavor choices but have we seen any meaningful payoff from any of that? MC is practically the same dude no matter what they did with Laurie or Miri. As you said the changes need to be gradual to be believable but we should already be seeing that. Otherwise we might suddenly get a choice to side with Astrid/Caliisto or whomever is considered "bad guy"and it would be completely off character because MC hasn't been built up to support that. We can say these are reserved for the future but at 1,5 years old I'm not sure how much time is left for any meaningful branching.

As for the kinetic novel thing, no point arguing since it's a point of perspective. I don't consider a kinetic novel as game. If I start an update on Renpy, hit auto, sit back and watch it in its entirety without any interaction, I haven't played a game.
So... essentially the problem is that you are being forced Sharon. Out of all that has been said, that is actually a fair complaint.

I would also choose the former, but thing is Carmen still have uses so it make sense for now to wait. Not to say that she is a character herself, and as far as we know, she hates vampires. So it is not whether you but whether Carmen would like that. I want her to eventually like it, but it would be weird from her to come hate it to simply accept being a vamp's play thing.

All other points are potentially valid, but once again, this is a work in progress novel. We have no idea how it is going to end up. Might be as you said that suddenly you can turn evil, which would be totally bad writing, or would be totally gradual. We simply do not know. So, it is unfair to simply say "this is bad writing as this will happen" cause we don't know that. That is why you need to give it a benefit of doubt if you are willing to keep reading it. My claims about bad writing would be about what it is currently in the game.. characters acting out of character, not about what is going to come. For all we know, we might be able to betray Sharon even (I dont actually believ that, to be honest, though).

At this point the lines dividing games, novel, movie, series are all flurry. If you are given only once choice, would that be a game? So this is a semantics discussion, as this novel does give you choices and they have consequences, even if ultimately, they seem to end up in the same place. But again, we will only see with time if that is the case or they will actually matter.

And yes, Bloodlines is a fantastic game. Today news were released about 2. Wait and hope.
 

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YOU can introduce any shit you want IF this was your novel...

THIS IS NOT A PORN GAME...

IT is inconsistent for character development for MC to act like that...

It is also inconsistent for Calisto to act like that...

You call them missed opportunities given that you are essentially counting sex as the ultimate objective of the novel...
1- Of course this isn't MY novel. I'm just sharing my opinion about it in a pirate site :ROFLMAO:

2- Porn or eroticism is part of this game, check Miri scene and others. I don't want porn just for the sake of it, It goes with the setting, dark vampire world.
This isn't MyLittlePony.

3- Mom vampfu isn't consistent at all. At first she was melancholic and bored with vampire politics but now she's a manipulative bitch like the rest of the elders.
So again, a sex scene would be good for that dark tone and atmosphere.

4- I said vampire politics are important in my first post but the game needs more than that to keep players engaged imo.
 

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Interesting. A far better Vampire the Masquerade game than the last two turds they dropped (those crappy visual novel things they released, not talking about Bloodlines).
 

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Personaly and this is just my opinion mind you.
I have zero issues with this game I dont see the MC as a simp or slave to Sharon either.
And I dont see why he has to be like every other evil Vampire apart from that seems like a totaly diffrent Idea to what the Dev currently seems to have.
On the contrary I feel being a Vamp with a conscience is far more interesting a story.
Fuck the likes of "Dracula" give me one like "Angle" it was a much better Vamp story.
Take Spike he was much better as a bad Vamp trying to be good than say Angle was as a good one turning bad (never did like Angle as much even after he turned good again). (Good turning bad so over used) ok so the MC's not as kick ass as Blade but he's young in Vamp terms theres room to improve.
Not every MC has to be kickass from the start.

Its a shame some don't like the love story between MC and Sharon because thats how the MC and Sharon's relationship comes across to me.
Mind you the will they wont they element is often f-kin frustrating but sadly its a tried and true part of the story telling element.
Its just so dam fustrating at times but it do's work.

For me personaly I hope the Dev dosn't change the MC.
The simple fact he's not your typical selfish, self-interest, I don't give a fuck about anyone or anything but me Vampire is the main reason I like this game.

Would I like to be able to bang Carman night and day because she wants the MC too do so Dam right I would.
But I don't see why as the MC I should choose to treat her as shit and rape her just because as a Vampire he could.
Besides wouldn't that just prove to Carman she was right to hate all Vamps to start with?.

Nah I like this game as it is.

Just Sayin.
 

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In the beginning I loved Sharon but now she is quite arrogant and treats MC like a dog too especially since she has her own territory
I find the story really good and exciting but sex wise too little, Mc could just pick up any girl in a bar or anywhere else
Sharon herself said that she doesn't mind and that she is not sure about him yet so why wait?

And to lorie she is still brand new to the Thrall thing and totally addicted
It's clear that Mc doesn't want to take advantage of her because she's his best friend but when it's over like with andrew then it's surely not a problem anymore.

in any case a great game I just wait for more updates then i can play longer
 

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Rebirth [Ep. 1] [LikesBlondes] (3.16 GB)
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All links but zippy are broken, i realize it's been awhile and all <3.
 

Ayhsel

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I want to dispel soul rot.
Vampires can not digest normal food.
Eggs are a high producer of Sulphur which is smelly. When combined with Hydroxide it is very smelly. The food in the stomach of a vampire is rotting merrily away, until they barf it up. So they Can consume food, it just doesn't go anywhere.
Hopefully this dispels the rumor that one of the most basic uses of vampire seduction powers would somehow lead to the rotting of his soul.

The update was produced during a time of self admitted turmoil in LikesBlondes life, so I chalk up the mis-spelling and brevity to that. The reveal of her installment, as well as Astrid having to come clean and or pay the price for the unforgivable sin should be quite juicy. I think that it will be a time when either I am vindicated that she was the critter in the woods, perhaps in a naughty bloodline's battle form, or some other explanation. Or I will be cast out as being full of vampire poo.

It is very important that Andrew confirmed his target -Zero would be present at the installation of Sharon, and equally important that he demonstrated an unprecedented amount of Free Will, which validates a lot of what BigStuffedTiger and myself have been educating all on Ghouls/thralls etc. If the dreaded Archon of the South makes an appearance, and he has Milley on his arm, and possibly Andrew's missing wife, I predict some epic shit. Shit that will almost certainly lead to Sharon embracing her first Childe.

Someone mentioned (again) Sharon's skeptical thoughts regarding what the MC has told her, and stated that her age might have jaded her. She is a teenager amongst vampires. Also she has zero experience with truly powerful bloodlines.

A toreador does not treat her captive to the kinds of bruises Gregor exhibits. Tzimisce..... yeah and worse...Toreador Antitribu maybe...Astrid is not what she presents herself to be.... she is Darker.

Calisto is the head of a Pagan temple dedicated to the old gods, this pretty much firms up the opinion that she is Artemis' childe or grand childe and Artemis is the Vision Girl.

MC Vision of Sharon being on her throne of stone, being engulfed by Calisto is definitely foreshadowing. More to follow I am sure.

Feral Nos almost certainly related to Markus-likely sire. And Merrick is following Markus' orders to stay hidden in Nos secret lair.

MC is already thinking of thralling Carmen to protect her from Sharon. Read his stuff carefully.

Laurie is moving up in the queue for an embrace, the tension is growing to the point that it might be her only salvation.

Investiture is also almost guaranteed to host at least one, if not more than one battle. Andrew and Southern Archon, MC vs Astrid, and possibly more. Markus and Marcius, Sharon and ????

Frank possibly making a debut and bonding to MC????

This update was extremely important. Sharon is completely disarmed and distracted, so whatever benefit she brings to the table is going to have a hard time surfacing. I do not think she can defeat Astrid, and I think MC is going to have to do it, but I think it will be the initial play in the reveal of an invasion of the city from a rival faction.

That's enough for now I think...
Peace
The reason why we are taking the soul stain is because of this post and the name of the variable.. of course it is simple speculation.

I asked ptolomy on discord about the fact that Sharon doesn't comment upon the omlette we ate if we don't have sex with Miri... This is what he said
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