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Arigon

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The game only give points on SharonSavLaurie. I wonder why is there no SharonLove point? Why cant we romance with Sharon?
I suspect that Sharon is going to be a casualty of war. We are going to have to make a choice at some point, that much is clear, and do we support MommyVampFu or Sharon of the Clueless Looks? My money is that Sharon bites it in a big way, and that is what is going to reveal the MC to everyone as he goes on a tear either For Mommy, or to Avenge Sharon. Possibly both.... Sharon might be a forced sacrifice, pressured by Virgil and or the Princeps, and then once the MC makes his choice, the game is either over, or he drains her and then we tear down the walls of Jericho and devour the Princeps and more importantly Virgil, and Fabian if he had a hand in it. This would set the stage to go one on one with Mommy if that is the direction we are going here.... Vision Girl laughing like Emperor Palpatine in the background........
 
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I suspect that Sharon is going to be a casualty of war. We are going to have to make a choice at some point, that much is clear, and do we support MommyVampFu or Sharon of the Clueless Looks? My money is that Sharon bites it in a big way, and that is what is going to reveal the MC to everyone as he goes on a tear either For Mommy, or to Avenge Sharon. Possibly both.... Sharon might be a forced sacrifice, pressured by Virgil and or the Princeps, and then once the MC makes his choice, the game is either over, or he drains her and then we tear down the walls of Jericho and devour the Princeps and more importantly Virgil, and Fabian if he had a hand in it. This would set the stage to go one on one with Mommy if that is the direction we are going here.... Vision Girl laughing like Emperor Palpatine in the background........
I don't think Sharon will kick the bucket. I trust in her plot armor enough as the games main LI.

What caught my interest the most was Virgil wanting to find out who MC's maker is as a reward. My initial thought as I was reading that was "well that's not good". Now however having someone like him snooping around is bound to create some juicy drama revolving MC & Sharon.
 
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I am thinking the following-just to clarify-
Still thinking that the elder mythic pantheons matter. Sharon mentions that the pagan cult believes vampires are descendent from these ancient gods. She comes right out and says that. Therefore reinforcing the Greek mythos we had earlier adopted.
Vision Girl is most likely Artemis, a blood sibling of Apollo. Fabian probably descends through the Apollo tree and the MC through the Artemis tree. Apollo and Artemis were both vengeful and very tight, so having assistance from his bloodline makes sense. Having Fabian and the MC of the same generation on two differing trees would make them cousins, where as if he were a childe of Calisto they would be siblings. The temptation for Fabian would be to access the disciplines of Calisto's blood. Since it would (likely) not lower his generation, he is not drooling to do the Dew and drink down the MC himself, Yet.

Mix of pantheons in the city make up. Virgil I am betting is The Virgil of mythic fame. Less than the gods and goddesses but a writer of their chronicles. Entire ages have passed. Who knows what kind of bloodlines are in the various circles of powers throughout the city/country/world now.
One thing is for sure. Calisto is secretive. She is in the shadows, yet in the city. She could well be the Virginal Priestess of Artemis who was cursed with a bear form by Hera. The claws of a bear are a lot more deadly than a wolf claw. MC's claws are more powerful than the wolf boy clan claws according to Markus. Things pleasantly align. Having pantheons battle instead of Cam and Sabbat is more satisfying too. Walks away from WoD somewhat, which is very Judaea-Christian focused. I like that.

Virgil would know, having written most of this mythical stuff, that Artemis is real, could have positioned himself to dig her up as a snack to power. At least I really hope that this is what is going on. Great story stuff...

Regarding Sharon and any "plot armor" of the love interest... I would not bet on that. Love dies all the time, especially when vampires are concerned. Right now Sharon is holding out bedding the MC for love, and yet seems genuinely fond of the MC, but she was in love with Astrid, and did not take that 3rd drink, so in the few weeks she has known the MC, I have serious doubts that she is going to go for that 3rd drink unless it is to try and protect herself. (as she is very humane also trying to protect the MC as well). I would wager my left nut again, that she is toast, and that will be a catalyst for power for our MC.

I think as Calisto sees it, Sharon is simply the soft place to land her childe. A place for him to get his bearings and direction, and come into some of his power. We need to remember just based on what we know from within the story that the MC is on an entirely different chessboard than Sharon, most of the Elders, the Archons or even the Princeps.
His chessboard likely has Virgil, Fabian, Calisto, Artemis, himself, and who knows how many others on it. Sure some of the Archons and even the Princeps may have a role to play, but I am thinking most of them are simply the chum in the water, or the sashimi on the plate. (I like sushi and sashimi so the analogy works)

This will be interesting to watch as it unfolds. We already know from what LB has directly said, this is not a porn novel, but an adult novel with occasional action in it. So those wanting a lot of fap material should find something else to read/fap to while waiting for the quality story here.

I am excited!
Peace
 

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hi. this game looks intriguing but i have to ask, do i need to download episode 1 as well or just episode 2?
 

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While I am a massive fan of the theme of this game, I am also somewhat disappointed in the dialogue. It just seems so...bland? We hardly have anything to say and the few things we do say just irritate me as they're simple one liners or shit that could have went unsaid to begin with. While the lore is deep and I love every bit of it as well as the action; the dialogue does leave me wanting for more.
 

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I am thinking the following-just to clarify-
Still thinking that the elder mythic pantheons matter. Sharon mentions that the pagan cult believes vampires are descendent from these ancient gods. She comes right out and says that. Therefore reinforcing the Greek mythos we had earlier adopted.
Vision Girl is most likely Artemis, a blood sibling of Apollo. Fabian probably descends through the Apollo tree and the MC through the Artemis tree. Apollo and Artemis were both vengeful and very tight, so having assistance from his bloodline makes sense. Having Fabian and the MC of the same generation on two differing trees would make them cousins, where as if he were a childe of Calisto they would be siblings. The temptation for Fabian would be to access the disciplines of Calisto's blood. Since it would (likely) not lower his generation, he is not drooling to do the Dew and drink down the MC himself, Yet.

Mix of pantheons in the city make up. Virgil I am betting is The Virgil of mythic fame. Less than the gods and goddesses but a writer of their chronicles. Entire ages have passed. Who knows what kind of bloodlines are in the various circles of powers throughout the city/country/world now.
One thing is for sure. Calisto is secretive. She is in the shadows, yet in the city. She could well be the Virginal Priestess of Artemis who was cursed with a bear form by Hera. The claws of a bear are a lot more deadly than a wolf claw. MC's claws are more powerful than the wolf boy clan claws according to Markus. Things pleasantly align. Having pantheons battle instead of Cam and Sabbat is more satisfying too. Walks away from WoD somewhat, which is very Judaea-Christian focused. I like that.

Virgil would know, having written most of this mythical stuff, that Artemis is real, could have positioned himself to dig her up as a snack to power. At least I really hope that this is what is going on. Great story stuff...

Regarding Sharon and any "plot armor" of the love interest... I would not bet on that. Love dies all the time, especially when vampires are concerned. Right now Sharon is holding out bedding the MC for love, and yet seems genuinely fond of the MC, but she was in love with Astrid, and did not take that 3rd drink, so in the few weeks she has known the MC, I have serious doubts that she is going to go for that 3rd drink unless it is to try and protect herself. (as she is very humane also trying to protect the MC as well). I would wager my left nut again, that she is toast, and that will be a catalyst for power for our MC.

I think as Calisto sees it, Sharon is simply the soft place to land her childe. A place for him to get his bearings and direction, and come into some of his power. We need to remember just based on what we know from within the story that the MC is on an entirely different chessboard than Sharon, most of the Elders, the Archons or even the Princeps.
His chessboard likely has Virgil, Fabian, Calisto, Artemis, himself, and who knows how many others on it. Sure some of the Archons and even the Princeps may have a role to play, but I am thinking most of them are simply the chum in the water, or the sashimi on the plate. (I like sushi and sashimi so the analogy works)

This will be interesting to watch as it unfolds. We already know from what LB has directly said, this is not a porn novel, but an adult novel with occasional action in it. So those wanting a lot of fap material should find something else to read/fap to while waiting for the quality story here.

I am excited!
Peace
Wow dude this is really something
Dont tell me you are from the paranormal sect of :illuminati:
 
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I would wager my left nut again, that she is toast, and that will be a catalyst for power for our MC.
Then I will call you on that.:ROFLMAO:

I don't think that Sharon will die and I also assume that our theories of stories that could take place in this novell are more than we will receive. From PTOLEMY works I don't see much pathing, although I would like it, yet this needs a lot of resources to be done right and this is mostly likely the case why they don't do it.

It is the same reason, why I don't think that some big pathing will happen, like keep Carmen or end her, go the "Sharon" path or go the "Calisto" path.
The pathing will be smaller and most likely more of some dialoge line change and cosmetic than a whole different path in the story.

So I think Sharon will be our guide for the future as well as we will be her shining dark knight, wo protect her from the inhuman threat. What Artemis is doing, I don't know much. To soon to say, as well as for Callisto. Even though I agree that the embracement of our MC was more likely orchestrate than only random, I don't see that Calisto has any other reason for it, than entertainment (I know, at this point I sound like a broken record:LOL:).
His chessboard likely has Virgil, Fabian, Calisto, Artemis, himself, and who knows how many others on it.
It only exist one board of chess. But unlike the game it has a lot more than 32 pieces and 64 squares. Most of them are not big piece and Virgil, Fabian, ... are some of the bigger pieces.

The most danger comes from Astrid, as Sharon has a blind eye for her and I doubt she is 100% over it already. To say something is easy to act on it not that much. Virgil, the thing in the forest and what he stands for.
 
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hi. this game looks intriguing but i have to ask, do i need to download episode 1 as well or just episode 2?
Yes you do need to download episode 1 as well. The save will carry over into episode 2 at the end of it.

While I am a massive fan of the theme of this game, I am also somewhat disappointed in the dialogue. It just seems so...bland? We hardly have anything to say and the few things we do say just irritate me as they're simple one liners or shit that could have went unsaid to begin with. While the lore is deep and I love every bit of it as well as the action; the dialogue does leave me wanting for more.
I somewhat agree, a few more choice for the character would be nice, the back end of episode 2 has been about Sharon's investiture so it's kind of understandable, that being said I feel like we could have had a few choice options, especially when Astrid asked us about the missing Greagor even if it was just something like "That's odd, no idea what you're talking about." or something.

You have to think though that as the story progresses and the battle lines are drawn we'll have some options to make, be it whether to side with Calisto and her group or Sharon for example. You have to think that considering you have the option to gain the claws power, invisibility power and the mind power that they'll have a potential use later on otherwise what's the point.

For example based on how the story is currently written, it's clear that the MC is at least for now loyal to Sharon, yet some people here talk like it's already written in stone that he'll side with Calisto. If it's a player given choice then there will be an option for better or worse as far as the MC is concerned with who he sides with. While the seeds are there for him to betray Sharon in the future, like for example not telling her about his vision of her sitting on the throne with Calisto behind her, ready to devour her. The current reasoning for this is that 1: She doesn't believe you actually have visions. 2: She was to focused on her investiture and 3: He didn't have any evidence beyond his vision, which we already know she wouldn't have believed. That sets up for him either not telling her, which could lead to his eventual betrayal. Telling her so that she/they can prepare for whatever Calisto prepares for or something else.

Also you also have the option early in the game when Sharon askes you what would the MC do if he ever met Calisto be it ask her questions about why she turned you or you can say you'd rip her throat out for making you a vampire. In which case that could mean that on the backend of things your character could have loyalty points that determine the outcome later in the story, like we all know the LaurieLoveStat or whatever it's called, there could be something like that for say Sharon Loyalty and Calisto loyalty that increase and decrease based on the choices you make, in which case that's fine.

From a VN/Player perspective however I feel like any big choices like who the MC sides with and whatever else may come up should be player based purely on the fact that we have player choices to begin with. For example, like I mentioned above you have the conversation option with Sharon about what you would do if you were to meet your sire. Would you either A: Ask her why she did it or B: Rip her throat out, now granted realistically if he tired he'd suffer Final Death in the blink of an eye but you're given the option, same as what powers you have. If you make the right choices you can get the claws, the mind power and the invisibility, much like you can have the option to not use any of them when prompted and lose access to them perminantly.

If at the end of the day, at least when it comes to story, you have multiple choices but both of those choices lead to the exact same end result then that means one of those choices is a false choice and that the players decisions have no impact and are meaningless to the point they might as well not be there in the first place.

It's also a receipe for losing some of your audience. For example let's say there are two sides. Side A:Is Team Calisto and Side B is Team Sharon.

Siding with Calisto brings you into her fold, you develop your powers, kill Sharon/usurp her/enthrall her to be your puppet or whatever the outcome is, it ends in betraying Sharon one way or the other and either willingly or unwillingly forced into watching her death. That's great for those people. The people who are on Team Sharon however, well they're not going to be happy with the fact they were forced to betray her/kill her/watch her die whatever the outcome is, without at least having an option to prevent that and possibly succeding in doing so. That alienates them.

Same for Side B. Let's say the MC sides with Sharon, becomes an ultimate badass Vampire because of his blood, co-rules Scottsdale with Sharon and takes the fight to Calisto and her side. Saves Sharon, they enthrall each other and become a Vampire power couple, that's great for Team Sharon not so great for Team Calisto because they've been forced into this situation that they didn't want either.

Either way both sides could be unhappy with the result, especially in a VN that has already given them choices to make that can affect the story (Albeit at this point pretty minor ones for now)

Player choice for those types of decisions and outcomes in the story should be the way they go. That way not only does it add replayability in the future but means you're catering too all your target audience and not just some of them.
 

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So I would expect the V2 patch to be uploaded here soon enough.
It's already here in a link in the OP, I do the save transfer of the game and didn't catch it in my testing, but found it through other members on the site.
 

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Wow dude this is really something
Dont tell me you are from the paranormal sect of :illuminati:
I do this crazy shit all the time. Scroll back a hundred pages when you want your eyes to bleed and you will see the same crew of us spouting crazy shit. I think I went furthest out on a limb when I said I thought Astrid would actually be a guy and a Tzmisce elder to boot..... I do not think I have said anything crazier than that.... but stick around, we are less than half way through this ride!
 
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Then I will call you on that.:ROFLMAO:

I don't think that Sharon will die and I also assume that our theories of stories that could take place in this novell are more than we will receive. From PTOLEMY works I don't see much pathing, although I would like it, yet this needs a lot of resources to be done right and this is mostly likely the case why they don't do it.

It is the same reason, why I don't think that some big pathing will happen, like keep Carmen or end her, go the "Sharon" path or go the "Calisto" path.
The pathing will be smaller and most likely more of some dialoge line change and cosmetic than a whole different path in the story.

So I think Sharon will be our guide for the future as well as we will be her shining dark knight, wo protect her from the inhuman threat. What Artemis is doing, I don't know much. To soon to say, as well as for Callisto. Even though I agree that the embracement of our MC was more likely orchestrate than only random, I don't see that Calisto has any other reason for it, than entertainment (I know, in this point I sound like a broken record:LOL:).

It only exist one board of chess. But unlike the game it has a lot more than 32 pieces and 64 squares. Most of them are not big piece and Virgil, Fabian, ... are some of the bigger pieces.

The most danger comes from Astrid, as Sharon has a blind eye for her and I doubt she is 100% over it already. To say something is easy to act on it not that much. Virgil, the thing in the forest and what he stands for.
My nut is on the block brother!
I have offered more than once to supply some free creative input to LB lol. You all can thank the gods they have not taken me up on it yet..........
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I do this crazy shit all the time. Scroll back a hundred pages when you want your eyes to bleed and you will see the same crew of us spouting crazy shit. I think I went furthest out on a limb when I said I thought Astrid would actually be a guy and a Tzmisce elder to boot..... I do not think I have said anything crazier than that.... but stick around, we are less than half way through this ride!
Looking forward to it :BootyTime:
 
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you know gang... we still have to see transformational stuff...... if not Astrid, then Virgil maybe???? I bet he is a greek god looking mother fucker in reality..... or goddess hahahahahahahaha
 

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Way off topic but I am going to be busy for a few hours, maybe more... like 12 gb of Subverse just dropped on Steam, and damn if I didn't see it here, but I had already bought it on steam. Besides, I like those guys heh
 

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I suspect that Sharon is going to be a casualty of war. We are going to have to make a choice at some point, that much is clear, and do we support MommyVampFu or Sharon of the Clueless Looks? My money is that Sharon bites it in a big way, and that is what is going to reveal the MC to everyone as he goes on a tear either For Mommy, or to Avenge Sharon. Possibly both.... Sharon might be a forced sacrifice, pressured by Virgil and or the Princeps, and then once the MC makes his choice, the game is either over, or he drains her and then we tear down the walls of Jericho and devour the Princeps and more importantly Virgil, and Fabian if he had a hand in it. This would set the stage to go one on one with Mommy if that is the direction we are going here.... Vision Girl laughing like Emperor Palpatine in the background........
can you go back to your "astrid is a dude" theory? it seemed more plausible...
but she was in love with Astrid, and did not take that 3rd drink
to me it looked like Asteid tried to force the third drink on Sharon.
 

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you know gang... we still have to see transformational stuff...... if not Astrid, then Virgil maybe???? I bet he is a greek god looking mother fucker in reality..... or goddess hahahahahahahaha
Nop, technical it is fulfilled:
F95 tag definition said:
2) Do not use tags that aren't currently available in-game/comic even if the creator says they'll be available in the future.

Transformation [A sequence showing a physical, biological change of some kind.]
Therefore, when the MC was turnerd, the tag was fulfilled. Sure, we don't know what comes, but it can have none flesh shapping at all, none shapeshifters, none.... - You get, what I mean.

It is the same as with Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
One major point in the plot was that Spocks die. It was out way before premiere. So in the Kobayashi Maru exercise Spock dies in the recent minutes of the movie. Thus the plot was open again and the spectators couldn't be sure if this was the famous dying scene or not.
 
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