VN Ren'Py Completed Rebirth [Ep.1-5 All in One] [LikesBlondes]

[Arigon]

First Draft of a Vampire The Masquerade sheet to represent the mechanics but not the game or lore per se.
Several assumptions made, and will edit as we know more.
Made as a standard 2nd edition Elysium Character (i.e. Elder in blood terms, with enhanced everything due to the proximity of sire to the source and power of the blood.) Some traits do not fit exactly. I made notes and took license in their representation.
Some things like Prowess, Charisma, and Subterfuge are broadly interpreted in Talents, Skills, and Abilities additions as well as actual Disciplines and how I allocated attribute points.

Possible other interpretations are legion. I considered making visions a path of Auspex. I also considered making Claws an amped up Protean. It was made clear that his claws are different than the wolf clan claws, plus no red eyes etc, so no protean.
I gave 1 point Potence, 1 Point Celerity, 1 point Presence as displayed in game powers and listed Dominate but no power yet since Calisto has the power but he has not yet expressed it.

I did not put numbers in for the damage on Claws, but it is clearly more than lethal level damage (aggravated) but until we see some more in action I will wait. He can 1 shot a beefy human. He nicked a Brujah asshole follower of Marcius. Both clearly exhibited enhanced damage but I want to see just how tough before I tried to put a number.

The knowledge skills and talents are SWAGs (Scientific Wild Ass Guesses) and assume you max your 3 skill areas in the game, and included college education, 1 extra language for whatever your native is plus english, performance and fame as a local club DJ.

I am sure many of you will have different opinions, but I figured I would put this out for you guys to chew on and at least have a set of numbers for us to kick around.
Peace.

 

[Raziel_8]

I can conceive of a plotline where we never actually get "sex" for the rest of the novel, particularly from Sharon.
I think we need to rethink what may be labeled as teasing from Sharon. She is not teasing. For her, sex may actually not hold any real appeal. Even her "lover" Astrid said she had to pry those legs apart on Sharon.
I think that we need to look at what is actual affectionate behavior, verses sex. Sex really doesn't have the same bang for any vampire that sharing blood does. Not even for our MC. We as humans are not really looking at this in the same way perhaps, but the kisses and cuddling that Sharon is doing with the MC may be all that happens with her.

I mean, u can do the sex and blood drinking together, like with the cop, mc as vamp enjoyed it.
If we have no sex with her fine, but then at least stop the mc from trying that at every chance possible.
And while it's true that sex don't compare to blood for a vamp, it's still pleasurable and at least from Astrid/Virgil comments vamps seem to do that.

Particularly if something unfortunate happens with her. (Sharon)

That would make me so sad (please let me drain drain her for mommy)

Laurie and Carmen as humans on the other hand, have human desires, though, they both have felt the effects of the vampiric "kiss". Sharon of course has even more experience through the blood bonding.

Sure but it's not like that the one thing rules out the other and neither should the MC drink blood all the time, nor can they give blood that often and as u said they are still humans with a normal sex-drive.

Thought for Carmen/Laurie i just wish more relationship development and less focus on Sharon...

I really can envision the rest of the novel having nudity, and blood drinking, kissing and that is it..

Not great spank material, but this is an adult novel, not a porn novel.

Hey i'm all for story focused games, especially vampire ones, there are far to less good ones.
And yeah this game will never be first grade fap material, but thats not why i play this game in the first place.
Still i don't see a reason why u would not include sex with the main cast, even if that is a bonus for the game, not the main point.

 

[Arigon]

I mean, u can do the sex and blood drinking together, like with the cop, mc as vamp enjoyed it.
If we have no sex with her fine, but then at least stop the mc from trying that at every chance possible.
And while it's true that sex don't compare to blood for a vamp, it's still pleasurable and at least from Astrid/Virgil comments vamps seem to do that.


That would make me so sad (please let me drain drain her for mommy)


Sure but it's not like that the one thing rules out the other and neither should the MC drink blood all the time, nor can they give blood that often and as u said they are still humans with a normal sex-drive.

Thought for Carmen/Laurie i just wish more relationship development and less focus on Sharon...


Hey i'm all for story focused games, especially vampire ones, there are far to less good ones.
And yeah this game will never be first grade fap material, but thats not why i play this game in the first place.
Still i don't see a reason why u would not include sex with the main cast, even if that is a bonus for the game, not the main point.

I totally understand. I kind of think it is almost a test of sorts to see if we can get in the right framework for vampire love with Sharon. I mean in any other game, she would be considered a Jill (BaDIK) level tease if not more. If sex were the objective. So I almost think it is a test or maybe a push to get us in the right frame of mind. Does that make sense?

I agree that Laurie deserves vampire dick as a way of giving her some blood the good old fashion way. Carmen too for that matter. Just not sure if it will happen. Truthfully, Calisto or Vision Girl may be our sex outlet for at least a minute or two......
Peace

 

[Raziel_8]

I totally understand. I kind of think it is almost a test of sorts to see if we can get in the right framework for vampire love with Sharon. I mean in any other game, she would be considered a Jill (BaDIK) level tease if not more. If sex were the objective. So I almost think it is a test or maybe a push to get us in the right frame of mind. Does that make sense?

I agree that Laurie deserves vampire dick as a way of giving her some blood the good old fashion way. Carmen too for that matter. Just not sure if it will happen. Truthfully, Calisto or Vision Girl may be our sex outlet for at least a minute or two......
Peace

I'm all for Calisto and Vision Girl so no problems there
By the way do u have any idea/theory what that thing was the mc saw in his vision ?

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[Arigon]

I'm all for Calisto and Vision Girl so no problems there
By the way do u have any idea/theory what that thing was the mc saw in his vision ?

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I’m “over“ the semi mediocre writing of DPC and his need to create nonsense and turmoil to somehow purge his own angst.
anyhow
Peace.

 

[Dom_D]

I wish we could use the vampire powers more often. In the last few updates the main character felt like a normal human.
Maybe the MC should get the powers independantly from player choices so the dev can build them into the story line more often without story branching.

He used them in the last patch, just more out of instinct than will though. His sort of Psychometry is among the "auspex" kinds of powers in the RPG game which is one of the main sources of inspiration, extremely useful if he will learn to use those skills, information is power.

He should actively use them and investigate more and gain control over his surroundings and over himself instead than being a floating leaf.
He should make at least a few thralls too.

 

[RustyCooter]

That damn it, I went through the previous parts, did all the save disappear? what the hell is the developer stirring up

Dev isn't "stirring" anything up. I haven't had any problems. Even done a complete new playthrough the other day( just to refresh the story) and everything worked just fine.

 

[RustyCooter]

I'm definitely all for MC giving laurie some vamp dickin and blood suckin. She deserves it. Next time he's pumped full of blood and Sharon shoots him down he needs to walk down the hall to laurie's room. Doubt she would turn him away. Plus I'm sure it would cause a great cat fight between them.

 

[Nulldev]

When did we feed last time? Need more vampire life action.

 

[Dom_D]

I wish I had seen this before finishing my last post.
The path of the vampire does have choices, but literally it has a fairly unified beginning and a fairly unified ending.
Beginning- you are turned in some manner to an inhuman monster that feeds on the blood of humans to survive.
Ending- you are still feeding on others to survive, or you are truly dead

So in that, it is linear. Along the way are some webs. Usually these will result in the death or survival of others that you as the character are fond of to some degree.

Lewd content- There absolutely will be only lewd content that is an element of building the story, and absolutely none for the sake of lewd content which most of the adult novels on here have. This is not a porn novel. It is a vampire novel. Yes there is sex to some degree depending on the genre of the vampire lore. In this case it is White Wolf's Vampire the Masquerade. In that universe, sex is the means to an end, not an end to seek. Our dumb ass MC is discovering this, but is still transitioning from human male (stick my dick where ever I can) to a Vampire Lord (if using my sex can somehow improve my power, or bind thralls with my blood, then so be it, as long as I get some blood so I can really enjoy the process).

We as humans can not really envision why sex wouldn't be important, but maybe this will do it......

Case 1- I use Oxycodone to get a nice feeling of being high, but am not to the point of over using it to the point of death
Case 2- I straight up use Heroine to get so fucking high I feel like a god.

For a vampire, sex is Case 1 watered down.
For a vampire blood sharing is Case 2 cranked up to heart bursting levels.

So I think there will be some sex to come. Carmen most likely, Laurie possibly, Sharon long shot, and Calisto will use it to get us to step 2 of a blood bond to her. Zephir almost no chance God DAMNIT! Kassandra maybe, but not sure why, Cindy not happening. Vision Girl.... depends on if she has to fully wake up and fully get active. We might well be the only vampire left in the city if she rises completely. If she does, she might have sex with us, but only as a tool to slip us blood to bond us to her. She will not go half way on this, she will either bond us completely or she won't fully wake up.
Peace x2

This made me remember:

"
Mark Renton: Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television.
Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers.

Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth.

Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life...

But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons?
There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
"

 

[Arigon]

When did we feed last time? Need more vampire life action.

Seems that there are several differences between VtM and Rebirth, which is a good thing as far as keeping everyone out of trouble.
1- Burn Rates of blood/vitae are much lower in Rebirth than in VtM.
2- Background beginnings of vampires (no Caine/Lilith/First City/Curse by God etc0
3- Disciplines-having similar but different disciplines is a good thing. Differing names also.
4- City Politics for the ruling party seem more distributed and yet still very autocratic. Different yet the same.
5- Ghoul starvation rate is much much slower. Allows for more free will, less grotesque bindings.
6- While it seems that disciplines do not cost vitae in a 1:1 manner, there seems to be a cost on some at least.
The above makes the vampire life action a lot less necessary. Plus, if Sharon is a Ventrue type of vampire as I suspect, and she has her special needs bottled, and they are partaking of that, then the need for her to hunt is lower, and the MC can just tag along.

Addressing a comment above, yes certain aspects of the visions could be represented by Auspex, but certain parts of it are almost like visitations by Vampfu Vision Girl. Still could be a sort of Auspex, but more likely the psychometry and past visions by just touching Carmen, seeing the boy's past and fate from walking over the same ground etc, is far more powerful than simply an Auspex power would give. I suspect a merit of visions, gifting by VG, and possibly Auspex as being the combined source. See my post where I stuck a VtM fledgling Elder interpretation of the MC on it.

Peace

 

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[Arigon]

Thought for the Night.........

What if Calisto is one of the descendants of Vision Girl's enemy and she plans to use the MC to take out Calisto and attack her enemies????

Just a thought....no, not a spoiler of any sort, or based on any conversations I have had.
Thoughts?????

 

[Babalon]

Thought for the Night.........

What if Calisto is one of the descendants of Vision Girl's enemy and she plans to use the MC to take out Calisto and attack her enemies????

Just a thought....no, not a spoiler of any sort, or based on any conversations I have had.
Thoughts?????

Vision girl is somthing else not a vampire for me is Lilith bathing in blood, in folklore lilith is named vampire from people but lilith have own realm she created with magic or blood magic or whatever beacuse some skills lucifer teach her and she is in level of a god even caine is child for her lol she existed before even caine if planed to be a sperm cell.
She say "embrace my gifts to MC and MC recieve diciplines, and that embrace my gifts also call a Lilith because its a lilith gifts.
she warned MC about eveyrthing... even vision of some old dude in water. (that he dont look donwn there is not a time or some things best to be forgoten) maybe that is a caine with cold eyes of murderer

she can influence any vampire with a thought and gift any discipline to vampires created in seconds, because she influence is etherical. i dont think she care about anything but maybe rebirth game devs will manifest her in some form if they choise of corse in temple or some shit, mother of all

 

[Babalon]

ancient beings become very powerful entities not anymore a dude in body sucking blood
check vtm.
Enoia become part of earth when she need blood causing earthquake and feeding in that way..
some become void sucking souls like Lasombra
Malkav become some link with all minds and causing madnes in mortals and vampires, spirits etc.

 

[BigStuffedTiger]

Thought for the Night.........

What if Calisto is one of the descendants of Vision Girl's enemy and she plans to use the MC to take out Calisto and attack her enemies????

Just a thought....no, not a spoiler of any sort, or based on any conversations I have had.
Thoughts?????

This thought has occurred to me as well. The longer we go without an enemy "queen" on the level of Calisto making an appearance, the more I wonder if the initial assumption that Calisto and our Dream Girl are on the same side was premature, especially since you've been informed by Likesblondes that Dream Girl isn't Calisto's sire or grandsire.

 

[Babalon]

when MC receiving a visions he spacing out that is auspex but blood queen is somthing else he dont spacing out he see her and that is manipulation of MC blood with her power. i dont even call her a vision girl what she doing to him is not a vision its projection warping reality ... so she is pandora box from likeblondes that we can argue about and when asking on patreon or discord who she is that we can be trolled, and obviously she is big MAMA. even red head cant do that to us she is create MC and sneding agents and spy's for her agenda but Big Mama can warping me, knows about every move of MC, manipulated MC etc.. she uses Temporis discipline to warp reality and time and every move of every being if she want

 

[Arigon]

Vision girl is somthing else not a vampire for me is Lilith bathing in blood, in folklore lilith is named vampire from people but lilith have own realm she created with magic or blood magic or whatever beacuse some skills lucifer teach her and she is in level of a god even caine is child for her lol she existed before even caine if planed to be a sperm cell.
She say "embrace my gifts to MC and MC recieve diciplines, and that embrace my gifts also call a Lilith because its a lilith gifts.
she warned MC about eveyrthing... even vision of some old dude in water. (that he dont look donwn there is not a time or some things best to be forgoten) maybe that is a caine with cold eyes of murderer

she can influence any vampire with a thought and gift any discipline to vampires created in seconds, because she influence is etherical. i dont think she care about anything but maybe rebirth game devs will manifest her in some form if they choise of corse in temple or some shit, mother of all

For those who don't like to scroll back-just a few pages.......
No Caine
No Lilith
None of the named vampires from VtM/WoD are in this game.
Vision Girl IS a vampire, who is rising/risen from torpor.
Vision Girl is 7-10,000 years old.
Calisto is 3,000ish years old.
She is not Calisto's sire- Note to BigStuffedTiger ... if we go back far enough, she may have a link.... but I didn't ask that specific a question. Perhaps I shall!
She is interested in the Main Character for what he can do for her, or possibly do TO her enemies.

Feel free to reply to this or email me if any of the bolded message above was not clear.
Peace-and Patience (for me) y'all

 

[Dragon59]

For those who don't like to scroll back-just a few pages.......
No Caine
No Lilith
None of the named vampires from VtM/WoD are in this game.
Vision Girl IS a vampire, who is rising/risen from torpor.
Vision Girl is 7-10,000 years old.
Calisto is 3,000ish years old.
She is not Calisto's sire- Note to BigStuffedTiger ... if we go back far enough, she may have a link.... but I didn't ask that specific a question. Perhaps I shall!
She is interested in the Main Character for what he can do for her, or possibly do TO her enemies.

Feel free to reply to this or email me if any of the bolded message above was not clear.
Peace-and Patience (for me) y'all

I have to admit, as someone who is not familiar with these other vampire IPs, the discussion of what this developer must be doing with these characters to make them conform to those other mythoi is a bit difficult to follow.

 

[Arigon]

I have to admit, as someone who is not familiar with these other vampire IPs, the discussion of what this developer must be doing with these characters to make them conform to those other mythoi is a bit difficult to follow.

Vampire the Masquerade is a self admitted inspiration for the authors of this novel. What it is not, is a 1:1 transposition or source of the legends. What they are using is the mechanics, more or less.
This means vampires that are closer to the head of their clan generation wise (if a vampire makes you a vampire, you are 1 generation higher than they are, so in this system the goal is to go low) are tougher and higher generation are not.
Some of the powers are similar
All of the myth have been tossed. They do not want a law suit, and acknowledging inspiration is not a tort's law offense.

As far as the rest of what I wrote, it has been the result of conversations with the authors, and the sharing of our theory crafting on here.
No one as far as I know is forcing the dev to do anything, nor claiming such. My bolds are what has been confirmed so far.

This is a good chapter for a lot of this since we will be getting a lot more info on our character's powers, clan etc, and more on Vision Girl.
Peace