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TessSadist

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My meager two cents on animations is that I actually have never seen yet the kind of cool animation I would like to see more often. For example, some animations that are sex scenes are great, and they can make a game better sometimes, but I think it's kind of rare. It's just really hard to do well.

But the type of animation I don't think I have seen once in a game on this site is a very impactful story moment that you can't forget after playing it. As a random example, in Pretend Story A there is some kind of special scene where Guy A is in the rain, and Girl A has tears in her eyes mixing with the rain and it's a powerful emotional scene. The animation has them slowly hug each other, look into each others' eyes, kiss deeply, lightning flashes around them as they kiss, and the music in the background is playing, etc. I might be in the minority here, but I'd love to see animations for powerful narrative key moments in a story if it can be done well.
 

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if in the previous update you had 11 charisma, you could have used "secret whisper' on her
i try to start over since i have 5 carisma but the game just load from another save

hehehehe theres no way to play episode 1 again there is ? someone can upload a save ?
 

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The quality of most animations in porn VNs doesn't help your arguement either. Most of them look clunky asf, creating impossible facial expressions and body positions. I prefer looking at well made renders and fill the blanks myself instead of looking at something out of body horror genre. And counting the seconds until the torture ends because most of those animation-heavy games have unskippable cutscenes.
Yeah, I don't quite get the fixation on animations so many people seem to have.
Like you wrote, the animations in many games are bad, short, clunky loops and even if they are better, for me they are hardly worth the effort most of the time.

I'd rather have a sex scene with many pictures and good writing then one with three short loops of different positions with each one being accompanied by one line of text.
 

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She thought it but she didn't want strangers around her kids.

She doesn't know who he is, he could be dangerous and she brought him where her babies are, that's why it's a bad thing. She may have wanted to fuck him but not right at that moment.

I am legit concerned you don't see the fault there.

Thinking about something and someone controlling your mind to make you do it are 2 entirely different things.

Gotta agree. I used whispers on her, but seeing how freaked out and shocked she was afterwards, I reloaded an earlier save game and decided not to do it.
I'd have preferred an option to actually seduce her, since she did seem interested, at least I didn't want to feel as if the MC raped her.

Of course it depends on the kind of MC you play as, but I try to be as human as possible in this one.
 

Raptus Puellae

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I wish MC would give Laurie some fucking love. It's so agravating at times
that's what hopefully will happen in the next update...after almost losing her, MC will realize how much he cares about Laurie.
Ayhsel correct me if I am wrong... but drinking from a human and then giving her your blood... isn't that how the Embrace works? sure... Laurie wasn't fully drained but sill...
 

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i try to start over since i have 5 carisma but the game just load from another save

hehehehe theres no way to play episode 1 again there is ? someone can upload a save ?
use Unren to activate the console and then change the charisma points?
 

Raptus Puellae

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She thought it but she didn't want strangers around her kids.

She doesn't know who he is, he could be dangerous and she brought him where her babies are, that's why it's a bad thing. She may have wanted to fuck him but not right at that moment.

I am legit concerned you don't see the fault there.

Thinking about something and someone controlling your mind to make you do it are 2 entirely different things.
I see the fault in leaving her alone while she thinks she did something bad. Miri doesn't know she was mind controlled. In her mind, what she did is at least partly her fault. If whispers work similar to Sharon's eye thing, MC could try to make her forget that anything happened or at least put some calming thoughts in place of her own "Oh fuck what were you thinking what the fuck have you done????!!!". Mind controlling someone into doing something and making them feel like nothing special happened might be bad, mind controlling someone into doing something and leaving them to think their actions are their own fault is worse. At least in my opinion
Gotta agree. I used whispers on her, but seeing how freaked out and shocked she was afterwards, I reloaded an earlier save game and decided not to do it.
I'd have preferred an option to actually seduce her, since she did seem interested, at least I didn't want to feel as if the MC raped her.

Of course it depends on the kind of MC you play as, but I try to be as human as possible in this one.
All this I agree 30000000000000000000% ... and even if as as vampirc morality goes the "whisper" was acceptable, the way MC handled it afterwards was as shitty as the deed. How am I supposed to convince Carmen that I'm not a monster when I act like one? I reloaded as soon as I've seen the scene. In my main playthrough MC has yet to have sex, and it will stay that way till a better opportunity. Unless those 2 charisma points will be the difference between loosing or saving Laurie.
 

Raptus Puellae

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100% this. This guy is really shitty towards her for whatever reason. She's always stuck by his side from what we've seen, so I'm confused at what his deal is.
MC is going through a simp phase...and believes what his Queen told him about thralls being after the blood
 
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Well, that felt shorter than usual, also the sex scene with Miri is a mistake imo.
We have Laurie, Carmen and Sharon they are well established characters and better options than Miri, an uninteresting newcomer.
If the scene purpose was to add the soul stain variable there were better options for that.
Sharon is the obvious good path.
Laurie can go both ways, good if you don't feed her or bad if you go full enthralled sex slave on her.
Carmen was the best option for the scene, taking advantage of the mind power to break her ass.

I wish MC would give Laurie some fucking love. It's so agravating at times
> She spilled the beans with Astrid
> Forced to turn her into a Thrall
> Now your bff is your personal blood junkie
I treat her well anyway.
 
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I will stop here since you are not getting what I mean, so it's useless to keep the argument and let me tell you that anyone that thinks a shitty and poorly animation improves a game is way over his/her head, I think that pretty much is implied in any game and I certainly did not have to state it openly to be implied in the argument, anyone with a bit of common sense will know I'm talking about good animations since I said: "will improve the game" I dont think anyone in his right mind will say bad animations will improve a game.
If you assume you are paying someone is a question of where you want him more (that was my main point), do renders for advancing the story or do animations for sex scenes, again you are taking my words wrong and out of context. The benefit is pretty much the same, what people want more ¿ animations or advance the story more (longer updates)?
That question is for all to say, maybe a poll, I already did say before my preferences when it comes to it.
First, cause sometimes it is good in this thread: I always took the discussion in a friendly way. When I want to be unfriendly I am anything but subtle.

I did understand your point. What I answered back was essentially a thought exercise, tied to my original comments that for transitions to be well executed you need as a necessary condition a lot of renders, but it is not even sufficient conditions as they need to be good renders.

In the end, it always boils down to a economic problem: I have x amount of money and y time to allocate to the game. If x and y are infinite, you can do whatever you want. But most of the time, most are finite and quite binding. So the rest of my argument, which was actually not an argument but a communication of my taste, was essentially the following thought comparison.

If you have the ability to render the rest of the game exactly, but you could chose either to animate a sex scene or a dance. At the end of the day, sex is executed is series of repetitive movements which are known to pretty much anyone, even virgins, provided you have access to internet. Yes, you can claim that there are some extremely exoteric positions, but it is not what usually happens that boils down to the most common: blowjob, cunninlingus, misionary, cowgirl, doggy, sixtynice, handjob. There are only so many variations you can have on each of those. Does it really matter if dicks goes a cm deeper or a second faster from the point of view of the animation?

The dance, on the other hand is different.
-First, it can but it need not be a sequence of repetitive movements.
-Second, they are extremely unique and speed is important: it is not the same to animate a ballerina dancing with a sequence of super fast movement as to do it with well executed movement that follow music.
-Third, variation is actually quite large, as different music makes for different dancing and animations: not the same thing to have said ballerina dancing to ballet than to make her rap while wearing a tutu.
-Fourth, most people are not as acquainted with ballet or different types of dancing that they are with sex. Obviously, if the reader is a ballerina just describing the scene with a few renders can be enough for her to use her imagination and understand what is going on in terms of movement: just mention her that they are doing an Arabesque with two renders, one in the beginning one at the end and you are done. But this is not the same for most readers that are not into the subject. Sex, on the contrary, if you say doggy style, just a render of the position and a render of the guy cumming inside the girl is enough for pretty much everybody to understand: dick goes in, dick goes out.

There are obvious other reasons, but I think that is enough to boils down my idea. No only it is better for me to use those extra renders for the rest of the game but even if the rest of the game could not be further improved by improving or augmenting renders, I would not focus on sex scenes but rather more unique scenes to animate.
 
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