VN Ren'Py Rebirth [Ep.5 Update 13] [LikesBlondes]

[GayLord Jesus]

I have a question: Who did the MC think he saw when he visited Callisto

That was Sir "Ronald Weasley" nobel chief / prince of Dead Red Purple Vineyard & eloquent Speeches. He's taking his majestic bath enjoying refreshments.

 

[Deleted member 4905597]

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Vampire the Masquerade is an inspiration for the work. There is absolutely Zero connection beyond some similar powers and similar type clans. No Caine, No Sect Wars, (wellllllllllllll god wars count I guess...) No shared origins.

The mythology for the vampires is through Sumerian not Judeo-Christian myth. Which actually begs the theological question, since Judeo-Christian myth borrows heavily from Sumerian mythos, however, Caine and all that are not here.

Nos are the most flagrant match with VtM which took it from elsewhere itself.
Sharon is similar to Ventrue, as is Roland and Eloise.
Malia is most likely Toreador like, as is Astrid.
Fabian is semi like Tremere, but really more like the more ancient sorcerous clans.
Calisto has sorcery, and the MC will develop it in a few decades/hundred years.

Just google and read the wiki on World of Darkness and VtM NOT VtR or the 5th edition rot. Nothing past the 20th Anniversary editions has much inspirational value to this game.

There is an example of Gangrel like, at Roland's house.
Marcius and his thugs are Brujah like.
Malkavians.... yeah inspiring too. lol.

Anyway, the MC/Calisto/Inanna are not from VtM at all. Calisto is a name used in VtM, but has no bearing here.

Peace

Thank you very much

 

[Deleted member 4905597]

I'd recommend finding a copy of the VTM Revised Edition rulebook and the original Chicago by Night(CbN) to start. There's also a CbN 2nd edition that advances the timeline if you love reading the original. CbN is a campaign setting sourcebook that details the motivations, ambitions, struggles, alliances and grudges of an entire large city's worth of vampires, providing a multitude of interconnected story hooks to engage vampire roleplayers. It's classic VtM at its best and I've been told that CbN served as inspiration for Rebirth.

OH wow, this sounds truly interesting, I'll check it out. Thank you

 

[Sleeping In Pieces]

Visions which could be a high level Auspex but more likely just another power- Calisto, Frank, MC

Also psychohistory. Aside from the dream visions.

Basically you just bark orders at pretty much everyone while she ... does whatever the fuck shes doing.. I dont buy it

I don't find it surprising. Vampire society at its core functions on might makes right. They all just got their asses kicked and MC was instrumental to them all getting out of there semi-intact. That gives him a lot of clout. Particularly with Sharon preoccupied.

I would think something that can kill a group of vamps would make her think a bit rather then just get annoyed.

Bear in mind, Calisto is straight up one of the most powerful vamps in the city. She highly doubts that whoever's in the cave can threaten her specifically. For all that she's proud of you, you function explicitly to amuse her. She wants her pride and joy to punch above his weight.

I agree that it doesn't fit VtM lore (despite the fact that this game is clearly inspired by VtM), but ultimatly it's not a VtM game

It would, but only vaguely. Power inheritance in VtM is generally clear cut: You start with a fraction of what powers your sire has. Where you can go from there, and how you do it, will vary according to GM rules, but most will use some mechanism of blood on which the entire setting operates. So if Laurie has more of MC's blood in her prior to being turned, maybe she'll have a better chance of learning a few of the MC's disciplines?
I didn't give her any extras myself but if this turns out to be the case, then it's back to Ep 1 for me. Same as for the Claws.

 

[LWtbo]

Just wondering?.
Since a few have made comments on Sharon not being the humanitarian Vampire she supossedly pretends to be.
Why that would even surprise anyone
We don't really know her history.
But since she was a partner of Astrid's she obviously wasn't the goodie goodie she seems to be now.
Lets face it could you really see astrid partnering up with her if she was.
Even now she shows her occasional Vamp side just look how quick and easy she is willing to use her Eye's on people despite that comeing with undesirable side effects for human's.
Don't forget she has to meditates to control herself.
Personally I think Sharon was the Same Vamp as every other Vamp selfcenter'd, power hungry and devoid of emotion.
She may even of been one of the truely evil ones but something obviously happend to change her.
Maybe she had something like an (Angle) moment?.
I don't know or maybe It might even be linked to her thrall's past?.
But if we can believe anything thats we have read sofar about Sharon then something must of changed her.

Just Sayin.

 

[underoath27]

I really liked the way Sharon was treating Laurie, the way she cared about her. They are my favorite girls! Carmen is a good girl, and Ivy is too, but Sharon and Laurie are the best ones. Can't wait for next update.

 

[mondy159]

sooooo the update is good but why i feel this update is very short i kinda want to know what will happens next

 

[cxx]

sooooo the update is good but why i feel this update is very short i kinda want to know what will happens next

no long updates on rebirth.

 

[Arigon]

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because you keep insisting on something unfounded. And this update seems to imply that Astrid's spot on the list of love interests would belong to either Innana or Calisto IF your rambling were to be true. and it seems that Calisto might not make it through the story as her hubris and arrogance will surrelly end her as a snack for one of the sisters. and what was with I hurting MC through the vision. and when she said about MC being so close to her makes me think of a Jaenette and Therese situation with I and E being the one and the same, but that would be a bloodlines reference too on the nose.

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but instead of talking sillines about Astrid, you could ponder of Laurie's skin itching and the crimson path mentioned a second time in the last 3 updates... those are more relevant issues.

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Since it's probably out of reach here a little Photoshop for you

I totally LOVE you! Thank you!

I hope one of the endings is to embrace the Crimson Path, fuck Calisto in the ass, kill the princeps and rival archons and instaurate our own Vampire Reign with casinos and bitches.

Oh Ragnar, what are we going to do with you?

So, my bit of Theorycrafting (more just musings). I don't know much about the Inanna/Ereshkigal aspect. From my VtM experience, tho', and it's connection/inspiration/etc. to the game, I DO make some assumptions, although I fully expect there's not a 1-to-1 connection. I don't think any of this really qualifies as spoiler, so....

1. There's a connection between Sire and Childe (pretty obvious), and Sharon's particular history does easily explain her behavior to Laurie now.

yup!

2. In VtM, old, early generation vamps have a LOT of power. In VtM terms, PC could quite readily be, say, 5th generation and Sharon's a good ol' 12-13th. I suspect this has slowly been dawning on her (and rapidly of late). This is the easy stuff. One could start going down the rabbit hole and muse that Sharon turned Laurie before the PC inevitably would to have another hook on him. That'd be quite consistent with VtM, but I don't think so much in this story. A cynic might suggest that she already viewed Laurie as something of a rival, and if/when PC inevitably turned her himself, she'd be a rival with a much stronger generation.

Yes, Laurie was already a rival. Yes, if you flip back a few hundred pages, we established that the MC is 5th generation. Sharon is 10th-ish max. Sharon is furthermore Ventrue, Astrid is Toreador, the rest do not matter that much, except Eloise is also Ventrue as is Roland.
Sharon turned Laurie so the MC would not have to go through the pain and loss. Not to keep the MC from embracing her.


3. Calisto. Ahhhh, Calisto. My prevailing assumption is that she is quite aware of what's down in the cave and has been for awhile, and that's pretty much why she sired a childe - a fire-and-forget missile at dealing with a sticky problem. Hook him up with a damaged vamp (damaged in that Sharon seems to actually care) asw nursemaid, surround him with those who can teach him/unlock some of his power, hook him up with the Nos, who, if you're about to get in a scrum belowground, are the No. 1 clan to have at your side.

Calisto is not aware of what is down there.... yet. She is arrogant and assumes she knows more than she does. She is not infallible. She wants her childe to be the Achilles she deserves as a lover, or die trying.

There's almost zero risk on her part. If he succeeds, it will be because he's become quite formidable, which makes for a terrific ally (and one that is bound to her). She gets rid of a problem, she (importantly) doesn't let anyone else get rid of it, which could have meant the elevation of a potential rival, and she risks pretty much nothing. If he fails, well, she's better informed about what is evidently a more serious problem than she wished. Plus, in whatever level of vamp society in which she has peers, she gains a big Smiley sticker (with gold star!) for cleaning up that serious problem.

Calisto is like in a class by herself. The Goddesses are both so far beyond her that it is farther than comparing the MC to her. She is 4,500+ years old and 4th generation. The Goddesses are 10-15k years old and 1st-ish generation equivalent. Calisto is barely a blip on their radar for their upcoming fight. Only Virgil, Fabian, Roland, and the MC are worthy of note in the current vampire city, to be referenced with Calisto, but all are far below her. Virgil is probably an enemy. Could have been Calisto's first childe, but he is not. She said and was not lying, that the MC was her only living childe. Virgil is a Roman Vampire, probably descended from Ereshkigal's line, and is going to interfere with the rising Inanna to assist Ereshkigal, or interfere in the battle between Inanna and Ereshkigal, just as Calisto and her childe, and Fabian will be for Inanna, or both.

4. Last little bit related to Callisto securing a formidable ally in her Childe PC...he'll inevitably sire vampires in turn - whom also will be of quite elevated generation. Carmen, Ivy come to mind. Carmen, in particular, would (will!) make for a fantastic vamp. That's a nifty little power base being built up. She doesn't seem like she needs it, but...if this Inanna/Ereshkigal thing goes on, she very well might.

Yes, I have had the theory that Carmen would be the MC's childe, and she probably will be, but not in this novel. There is already one super powerful kid vampire and that is enough. She will become his thrall though.

MC will have a harem, vampire style- Sharon, if you do not piss her off too much somehow, Calisto, who will be your domme vamp mommy, Carmen, Ivy, and Laurie. Blood dolls added for flavor, and potential side girls becoming harem members if there is another volume in the story.

The one rule above all I remember about VtM, was when someone asked a very well informed source what the most common mistake players make was, "They think they can win."

(sorry if this is trodding over well-covered ground)

Yeah, this has all been covered pretty well, but that's cool.

I still don't understand why MC didn't just ask Calisto about "the crimson path". Or at least 'hint' her about it, just to get some info. I think MC was DUMB for that.

There is a possibility that Calisto knows perfectly what lies underneath... and just want this situation to blow up, just because she is bored. Calisto is the definition of being jaded. So she might want to unleash chaos, just to see what happens... while eating popcorn, and/or die. She might not care anymore.

Calisto doesn't know. If she knew, she certainly would not want to wake anything up. She is a gnat compared to both of the Goddesses. She is not so consumed by ennui that she is ready to die.

but Laurie refuses to listen to Sharon....Oh boy ! I can't wait for Laurie to use claws..

you don't have to be a cynic to think that, we know Sharon is not the "humane vampire" she likes to pretend she is. Both Astrid and Merrick called her ugly on the inside, so maybe Sharon turned Laurie for the sake of the MC, knowing how much losing his childhood friend would hurt him, but on a subconsious level Sharon harbored those thoughts.

The only reason Sharon turned Laurie is her love of the MC and not wanting to see him in that kind of pain. Laurie is not going to have claws. She is Sharon's childe plain and simple.

He simply didn't have the opportunity, depending on your itinerary Calisto was either enraged at your failure or irritatd by how "timid" the MC was.
Arigon can you pass a complain to Likesblondes? the new blooddoll at fabian's, is another good looking girl that next to Malia, Zephyr and Feral nos should've been used to make a proper love interest instead of some background decoration

Five Love Interests. Period. All that is planned for this volume. Period. No I won't complain.

Hahaha, FunFuntomes I do like the possibility that Innana and Ereshkigal are one and the same being, just two aspects of a single crazy Malkavian. Also makes the 'crimson path' appear to be merely the path to your death.

Inanna and Ereshkigal are two separate goddesses. Inanna is stuck like a trophy and needs to wake up, Ereshkigal does not want that to happen, and it happens. There will be an epic battle, and the MC will be fighting another battle more on his level.

Peace

 

[Arigon]

Also psychohistory. Aside from the dream visions.
I don't find it surprising. Vampire society at its core functions on might makes right. They all just got their asses kicked and MC was instrumental to them all getting out of there semi-intact. That gives him a lot of clout. Particularly with Sharon preoccupied.

Bear in mind, Calisto is straight up one of the most powerful vamps in the city. She highly doubts that whoever's in the cave can threaten her specifically. For all that she's proud of you, you function explicitly to amuse her. She wants her pride and joy to punch above his weight.

It would, but only vaguely. Power inheritance in VtM is generally clear cut: You start with a fraction of what powers your sire has. Where you can go from there, and how you do it, will vary according to GM rules, but most will use some mechanism of blood on which the entire setting operates. So if Laurie has more of MC's blood in her prior to being turned, maybe she'll have a better chance of learning a few of the MC's disciplines?
I didn't give her any extras myself but if this turns out to be the case, then it's back to Ep 1 for me. Same as for the Claws.

Goddesses





Calisto










Virgil
Fabian
MC
Roland

"Elders in the city"
Spoo in the city


No Laurie is Sharon's childe. Period. If she is taught claws, it will be after this novel. Not even sure if she can learn those.
People want to speculate that because Laurie was the thrall of the MC that it will fuck with her turning by Sharon.

It won't. She and Sharon will now banter back and forth and have mutual love and love for MC.

Peace

 

[chechillo]

Try your autosaves. I was able to get one of those to work.

that worked, thanks

 

[Luder23]

Hi I'm having issues with importing my save from chapter 1 to chapter 2 I'm using 0011s Android port I've searched on here with little luck and 500+ pages is a little much to read through. So any help would be appreciated.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I finished this update. The Sharon and Laurie thing was cute at first but became played out about halfway through. I get why Sharon's acting like that though(no preaching needed). Carmen was also putting in work this update. I like the trust they developed with each other. I honestly hope she becomes our thrall or "daughter" because it's looking kind of risky to be just normal. Especially after the Laurie thing.

As for our "Cousin" and "Mommy" this update, it went well, I think. Luckily, I didn't screw up the Blood Doll thing. It could've possibly been bad to owe him more than I already did. "Mommy" was forgiving this time but I have to get some results next time. We'll have to see how this Mrs. Olivia thing goes, too. I'm not too invested in her, personally, so I wouldn't be bothered with whatever's going to happen or not happen there. No I don't mean romantically. I mean her status, staying alive or being killed.

And now we reach the part I dread the most when playing this game, cliffhangers. I was so spoiled by being able to play through an entire Episode that I forgot this game did this with updates. I'm too hooked now to do this skipping thing again. I guess I'll have to cope somehow.

 

[imzahai]

my only real issue, why does MC hold really important info so close to the vest?

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[Sleeping In Pieces]

my only real issue, why does MC hold really important info so close to the vest?

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Mind control shenanigans are part and parcel of the vampire life. The only reason vampires don't do it to each other is polite society. Being from an older, far more savage time, I doubt it will even raise Calisto's eyebrow. As for the missing VIP, Calisto's place in the hierarchy is somewhat unclear so it's somewhat understandable that he'd not share that with her. Not sure she even cares TBH. The Princeps or the Quaestor OTOH, will definitely want to know.

 

[BigStuffedTiger]

But since she was a partner of Astrid's she obviously wasn't the goodie goodie she seems to be now.
Lets face it could you really see astrid partnering up with her if she was.

I disagree. IMHO Astrid seduced Sharon with the intent to groom her into becoming either a whore or a slave, but botched it and Sharon rebelled. Sharon had been under the impression they were in a loving relationship when Astrid's true plan was to be Sharon's pimp. Once Sharon realized what her lover intended to do to her she dumped Astrid and cut her out of her life.

Sharon isn't a paragon of humanity. If she were she'd wake up before the MC every night. Nevertheless she still wakes up before the majority of other vampires so she's better than most, and works hard to ensure she does not lose any more of her humanity than she already has.

Mind control shenanigans are part and parcel of the vampire life. The only reason vampires don't do it to each other is polite society.

The only real rule is don't get caught, or be so powerful that it doesn't matter if you are.

 

[frogbert]

my only real issue, why does MC hold really important info so close to the vest?

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Better yet, why didn't he tell Calisto that he stuck the elder through the head with her magic sword and it barely gave her a headache. I bet that would have gotten vamp mommy's attention.

 

[BDI]

Has anyone got a save with the " Secret Whispers" on it to share?

 

[Lucifer240502]

Can't load my save from episode 1 to play episode 2 on Android ...let me know how to transfer the save guys

 

[BigStuffedTiger]

my only real issue, why does MC hold really important info so close to the vest?

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This has historically been my biggest pet peeve with this game. It's why I've given Sharon so much slack in the past. If I were in her shoes and a newb childe I'd just met started spouting all kinds of crazy sounding talk insisting I needed to trust them WITHOUT EXPLANATION I would have tended to dismiss their words too. Imagine if the MC had described to Sharon the vision he'd had from the past of Sharon and Astrid in bed together chatting about Archon Marcius. I bet that would have caused Sharon to take the MC's visions much more seriously far more quickly. So seeing the MC not bother to explain things yet again isn't surprising, although it is still both frustrating and disappointing.

Better yet, why didn't he tell Calisto that he stuck the elder through the head with her magic sword and it barely gave her a headache. I bet that would have gotten vamp mommy's attention.

Yeah, but due to Calisto's narcissism it's not clear to me that any admission of inadequacy would have gone over well. She does not wish to associate with anyone who is inadequate. IMHO Bringing up to Calisto "the Crimson Path", one of the names dropped by the Skalds like "Ereshkigal", and/or the elder vampire's ability to craft powerful illusions turning a cave complex into an ancient temple would have been a better bet.