VN Ren'Py Reclaiming the Lost [v0.10] [Passion Portal]

[Mars88]

Second, The dev has kept those variables the same since starting the project, but they don't necessarily mean anything in regard to the current state of the game. Yes, the first version of the VN introduced Grace as MC's mother, that is true... but the dev abandoned that incest concept four months later when he revamped the dialogue, well before things got intimate with Grace or Chloe. The relationships were changed, and neither the canon dialogue nor the characters' behaviors written since that point have shown even the barest indication of implied taboo between the girls and MC. Let's face it... The dev changed his mind about incest, and it was written out entirely. (My first playthrough was in May 2023 when v0.3 dropped btw, so the relationships were already changed at that point).

You know, I have a quick IQ test for you. You already mentioned that IPatch was abandoned twice. Hmm... What about the first guy (newgamecall) who made this patch? The last patch was for version 0.7, so it's not the beginning of the game. Who do you think it was? Some mysterious savior, an angel from heaven, a messiah for incest lovers?

It seems strange to me that he appeared out of nowhere and also disappeared without a trace, and was only active in this thread, before and after the patch. Yeah, I know what you're going to say: it's definitely not someone related to the game.

But you must be right, we don't have any confirmation, like an official letter from the dev with signatures and seals, or an official statement on his Patreon page

 

[Jericho85]

You know, I have a quick IQ test for you. You already mentioned that IPatch was abandoned twice. Hmm... What about the first guy (newgamecall) who made this patch? The last patch was for version 0.7, so it's not the beginning of the game. Who do you think it was? Some mysterious savior, an angel from heaven, a messiah for incest lovers?

It seems strange to me that he appeared out of nowhere and also disappeared without a trace, and was only active in this thread, before and after the patch. Yeah, I know what you're going to say: it's definitely not someone related to the game.

But you must be right, we don't have any confirmation, like an official letter from the dev with signatures and seals, or an official statement on his Patreon page

Ah.. Now it's conspiracy theories... Well, you have fun with that.

 

[hrm]

I feel the same. There's never been an official confirmation of incest and the dynamic between MC and Grace/Chloe feels more authentic with the official dialogue.

This is the post that was being disputed, in case you forgot. The initial version was clearly meant to be incest, which is what Mars88's response was illustrating. It's immaterial that the dev later changed it to avoid getting booted off patreon (or if they just decided incest is icky and didn't want to do it anymore).

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Nice find! And within a couple months, they were changed to being unrelated and it's been that way since.

Changed well before anything heated up with Chloe or Grace, I might add. Guess the dev decided against incest, didn't he?

No, he decided he wanted to keep making money and not get banned on Patreon. Almost every new developer that starts out is not aware of all the rules for Patreon. So many games that start with incest, and then come here, and people starte yelling, incest and on Patreon? Well, you can say goodbye to your Patreon.

It's so easy to report a game on Patreon and they rarely actual check the game and just straight ban the develoepr.

Ah.. Now it's conspiracy theories... Well, you have fun with that.

Nah, I mean if you've been around long enough you can tell the official patches form the fan made by rando's. Just like there is a special patch repository they could use, but some decide not.

 

[xtr3mx7]

Darn, starting all over again! I've lost the mojo to start all over. Bin or continue?

 

[Jericho85]

This is the post that was being disputed, in case you forgot. The initial version was clearly meant to be incest, which is what Mars88's response was illustrating. It's immaterial that the dev later changed it to avoid getting booted off Patreon (or if they just decided incest is icky and didn't want to do it anymore).

Oh I'm aware now that he was trying to bring up the very very first version of the game (which he could have just... you know... said, instead of the rudeness). He was right that v0.1 did have incest and I was unaware. Consider me corrected on that point. Silly me... I've only played the game for two years starting with v0.3, a mere 4 months after the game released and none of the versions I played ever had incest in it. How was I supposed to know some one was going to try to bring up an extremely outdated version that had dialogue that has been long since been overwritten, and then try to use that as reason to argue? But to be accurate, I guess I'll amend my original statement by saying "There hasn't been incest in the game from v0.2a through v0.10". I'm glad that's settled.

I'd also point out that Mars's unnecessary interjection about v0.1 really had no relevance to the point of my post in the first place, which was my opinion that the non-incest dialogue feels more authentic, and that the games doesn't feel like it's meant to be incest. Not anymore. Whether it was initially because of Patreon or some other reason, the dev clearly dropped the incest altogether and I think he decided to roll with the non-incest relationships and the way the characters have interacted over the last 2 years of development reflects that. In other words, the game has no implied incest or taboo scenes, which is inconsistent with incest devs trying to side-step Patreon's rules.

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Here's a question though, for those who want incest in this game... Given the context of this story, why is it so important to you to have the MC romance his "mother" and "sister"? Does it impact the story in any meaningful way to you? If not, why are you so insistent that there must be incest injected into this story?

I've already brought this up once before to filo, and I'll say it again in case anyone missed it. If you want incest in the game then YOU can take up the currently unmaintained unofficial incest mod. GetOutOfMyLab already explained what's involved. It should be easy to do. Passion_Portal notably chose not to use flags or placeholders for character relationships unlike almost every other dev that actually intends for incest. So you'll have to check for differences after every update then do full text replacements. You can take that up yourself, if you really want to inject incest into a game that doesn't need it.

 

[girlfairdev]

Oh I'm aware now that he was trying to bring up the very very first version of the game (which he could have just... you know... said, instead of the rudeness). He was right that v0.1 did have incest and I was unaware. Consider me corrected on that point. Silly me... I've only played the game for two years starting with v0.3, a mere 4 months after the game released and none of the versions I played ever had incest in it. How was I supposed to know some one was going to try to bring up an extremely outdated version that had dialogue that has been long since been overwritten, and then try to use that as reason to argue? But to be accurate, I guess I'll amend my original statement by saying "There hasn't been incest in the game from v0.2a through v0.10". I'm glad that's settled.

I'd also point out that Mars's unnecessary interjection about v0.1 really had no relevance to the point of my post in the first place, which was my opinion that the non-incest dialogue feels more authentic, and that the games doesn't feel like it's meant to be incest. Not anymore. Whether it was initially because of Patreon or some other reason, the dev clearly dropped the incest altogether and I think he decided to roll with the non-incest relationships and the way the characters have interacted over the last 2 years of development reflects that. In other words, the game has no implied incest or taboo scenes, which is inconsistent with incest devs trying to side-step Patreon's rules.

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Here's a question though, for those who want incest in this game... Given the context of this story, why is it so important to you to have the MC romance his "mother" and "sister"? Does it impact the story in any meaningful way to you? If not, why are you so insistent that there must be incest injected into this story?

I've already brought this up once before to filo, and I'll say it again in case anyone missed it. If you want incest in the game then YOU can become the 3rd maintainer of the unofficial incest mod. GetOutOfMyLab already explained what's involved. It should be easy to do. Passion_Portal notably chose not to use flags or placeholders for character relationships unlike almost every other dev that actually intends for incest. So you'll have to check for differences after every update then do full text replacements. You can take that up yourself, if you really want to inject incest into a game that doesn't need it.

Man! That's a hell of a lot of cranial energy exerted over a porn game! Just sayin'...

 

[Jericho85]

Man! That's a hell of a lot of cranial energy exerted over a porn game! Just sayin'...

noted

 

[JeanPaul]

Gallery unlocked please!!!

 

[atlas_444]

Dude, it's so obvious that the developer just used incest in the beginning to attract the large audience that this fetish has and continues to use, everything in this game pointed to incest and no one can deny that it was sold as an incest game to most of us and with the patches the game made sense it was what it should have been from the beginning but the developer just used that and continues to use it to attract audiences so let's be honest and say we were basically fooled lol There are many developers who do this, they take advantage of a false TAG to attract players by deceiving them, this is the case here, we just have to leave things to new players and those who are being deceived that this is not an incest game.

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Here's a question though, for those who want incest in this game... Given the context of this story, why is it so important to you to have the MC romance his "mother" and "sister"? Does it impact the story in any meaningful way to you? If not, why are you so insistent that there must be incest injected into this story?

I've already brought this up once before to filo, and I'll say it again in case anyone missed it. If you want incest in the game then YOU can take up the currently unmaintained unofficial incest mod. GetOutOfMyLab already explained what's involved. It should be easy to do. Passion_Portal notably chose not to use flags or placeholders for character relationships unlike almost every other dev that actually intends for incest. So you'll have to check for differences after every update then do full text replacements. You can take that up yourself, if you really want to inject incest into a game that doesn't need it.

Here's a question though, for those who don't want incest.

Why the hell do you care so much, why do you keep at it??? Can't you just move along and let it go?

Yeah, for a game that doesn't need it, try looking at the code a little more

 

[txe320]

Here's a question though, for those who don't want incest.

Why the hell do you care so much, why do you keep at it??? Can't you just move along and let it go?

Yeah, for a game that doesn't need it, try looking at the code a little more

 

[Jericho85]

Here's a question though, for those who don't want incest.

Why the hell do you care so much, why do you keep at it??? Can't you just move along and let it go?

Weird question seeing as how the native release already doesn't have incest, but I'll just say that I prefer to play games as their written. If the scenes imply incest, then I use the patch. Otherwise, I just play the game as released.

BTW, I already said my peace on the matter, but you keep bringing it up. Why don't YOU let it go? Why do YOU care so much?

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Let's be clear here. The author wanted to make a variant on the VN "My New Family". His whole VN is absolutely based on that. The VN had Incest from the beginning and had Incest in it all along. Until... Yep He went to Patreon and Steam. Then he had to adjust the complete VN so he would not be kicked off from both platforms. He did not changed his mind at all, but was forced to change his mind.

All of the sudden the MC's Mother was not longer the Mother but some strange hose owner, and his sisters became "Tenants" and his rest of family where suddenly weird strangers that somehow had some connection with him. Personally I think the VN suffered by that, and became far less exiting and more dull.

Personally I found this VN a nice variant or "homage" to the original "My new Family". But now it has dropped significantly quality-wise, because the core of the VN is completely ripped out. I think it's a shame. In the past it could stand side by side with "My New Family" for a big part, but by now "My New Family" is by far superior to this VN.

It's a shame, but it only shows how Patreon and Steam are completely artistically non-free and restrictive game and VN platforms, and apply heavy censure on all games and VN's (unless you make a game about Hitler in a torture concentration camp complete with decapitation and tearing out intestines of living prisoners because that's totally OK). Authors have to comply with their short-sighted vision or being banned for life.

Well, there is one thing to mention here, you should not add Steam into this, Steam doesn't care, Steam is fine with incest, blackmail, rape, and so on. Steam ONLY cares about underage content, sex in school (mainly high school which implies underage) and copyrighted content in game. Copyrighted content could be anything honestly, like a movie playing on a TV set in the background during a scene in game, or movie posters (eh, that one is iffy), you get my point.

There are games that come to Steam that changed compared to their Patreon counterparts. Example, Midnight Paradise has all the good stuff with no patch needed, Having a Hard Time is another (it comes with the patch). There are a few more like this.

In fact, most "Steam" variants are different than their Patreon counterparts for the mere fact Steam is less draconian than Patreon.

Weird question seeing as how the native release already doesn't have incest, but I'll just say that I prefer to play games as their written. If the scenes imply incest, then I use the patch. Otherwise, I just play the game as released.

BTW, I already said my peace on the matter, but you keep bringing it up. Why don't YOU let it go? Why do YOU care so much?

Ah, yes, the person who has made 11 comments over it in the last few days

 

[jclosed]

Well, there is one thing to mention here, you should not add Steam into this, Steam doesn't care, Steam is fine with incest, blackmail, rape, and so on. Steam ONLY cares about underage content, sex in school (mainly high school which implies underage) and copyrighted content in game. Copyrighted content could be anything honestly, like a movie playing on a TV set in the background during a scene in game, or movie posters (eh, that one is iffy), you get my point.

There are games that come to Steam that changed compared to their Patreon counterparts. Example, Midnight Paradise has all the good stuff with no patch needed, Having a Hard Time is another (it comes with the patch). There are a few more like this.

In fact, most "Steam" variants are different than their Patreon counterparts for the mere fact Steam is less draconian than Patreon.



Ah, yes, the person who has made 11 comments over it in the last few days

Hey - I deleted my comment almost immediately, because it was a reaction on the completely wrong VN. You picked it up very fast, but as you probably noticed it's completely irrelevant because I was talking about another VN. So - My comment is not valid here.

My apologies for this confusion...

 

[Jericho85]

Ah, yes, the person who has made 11 comments over it in the last few days

Um... yeah, because people like you keep responding to me, genius. That's how discussions work. You haven't explained why you care so much about injecting incest into this story when the dev has seemingly moved on from it or how - if at all - grace and chloe being related to MC even lends anything to the story. Instead, you've resorted to cheap shots, so I figure you simply can't answer those questions.

If you actually had an answer to my question, then I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, if you're just posting to be a dick or if you have a problem with me, then you can take it to DM.

 

[Alfius]

Here's a question though, for those who don't want incest.

Why the hell do you care so much, why do you keep at it??? Can't you just move along and let it go?

Yeah, for a game that doesn't need it, try looking at the code a little more

Well, I actually care for one reason only. I want to play the game as the dev designed it.

There are some users that is so obsessed with Incest games that they try to retrofit incest in pretty much every possible game. And me as the guy that wants to play the game as close to the dev's intention as possible, spend 30 minutes before trying a new game to find out the dev's intention. There are even games where the dev explicitly say, incest is going to break the game later, where people still add an incest patch. Like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

So for me if I see an Incest Patch, I don't know if that is what the dev intended.

For this specific game, it is clear that the dev started it of as an incest game. But after playing the last few update, I have to agree with Jericho85 the incest does not fit the game anymore.

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I also just want to mention that version's 0.1 dialogue with the incest were pretty terrible. The dialogue and subsequent changes are 10x better then that original version.

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It makes a lot more sense for them to be not related, but close friends with Grace like a pseudo mother figure to him since he was a young man (or even a boy) and Chloe, having had a crush on him.

So TLDR: IMO the incest patch just does not fit the game so nicely and it plays much better without it. There is no taboo around the supposed incest at all...so why bother. I do believe that the game was initially written with as an incest game, but I agree with Jericho, that the incest have been written out of the game in the current version.

I say this as someone that played the game with the incest patch.

PS. The incest patch is not terrible. The game flows nicely even with it, but the incest part is just meh.... so why bother. It's better without it. They do not mention their family relationship once when progressing their relationships.

 

[Alfius]

What I really love about this game is the implementation of the different paths.

Even though you have love/lust/submission/domination paths (And it plays out quite differently)
It does not change the underlying story, and it also does not fundamentally change the MC's personality.

I mean there is another game on f95 (FIN) where the same MC can be a really good guy or a rapist/psycopath and every shade in between. Although I love that game, you can not put a personality on the MC, since he can be so varied. The one MC cannot be the same guy as the other MC.

In this game, they are still the same guy, but with different flavours.