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-CookieMonster666-

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I'm not exactly sure how to read the table, but apparently there are many countries still where incest of some type is allowed ( ). I don't know any specifics based on the chart, but since some listings showing where incest is illegal include specifics like "brother, sister" one might conclude that brother-sister incest is actually OK wherever there's a blanket "legal" shown for a country. I think that's an overly broad and probably pretty inaccurate assumption, but I also can't imagine there aren't more than a few of the places listed where brother-sister incest is completely fine.
 
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I'm not exactly sure how to read the table, but apparently there are many countries still where incest of some type is allowed ( ).
The "still" is perhaps inaccurate, depending on what you meant: "as of this time" or "all the same". In countries which adopted the Napoleon Code (issued in 1804, if I remember well), incest was illegal before, because civil law aligned on Roman Catholic law.
I don't know any specifics based on the chart, but since some listings showing where incest is illegal include specifics like "brother, sister" one might conclude that brother-sister incest is actually OK wherever there's a blanket "legal" shown for a country. I think that's an overly broad and probably pretty inaccurate assumption, but I also can't imagine there aren't more than a few of the places listed where brother-sister incest is completely fine.
If you consider the example of France, which I know better, all kinds of incest are legal, only some marriages are forbidden (father-daughter, mother-son, brother-sister). So unless the chart is incoherent, "legal" applies to all cases.
 
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-CookieMonster666-

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The "still" is perhaps inaccurate, depending on what you meant: "as of this time" or "all the same". In countries which adopted the Napoleon Code (issued in 1804, if I remember well), incest was illegal before, because civil law aligned on Roman Catholic law.
I've never heard of still being used to mean "all the same", and I can't find that usage in Merriam-Webster's Dictionary when checking just now. In any case, I meant "as of this time", as in, "...there continue to be many countries where incest of some type is allowed."
If you consider the example of France, which I know better, all kinds of incest are legal, only some marriages are forbidden (father-daughter, mother-son, brother-sister). So unless the chart is incoherent, "legal" applies to all cases.
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. I didn't see footnote / endnote references for almost any of those, so it's pretty hard to tell where the information was found to see to exactly what extent it's allowed. I therefore assume in those cases "Legal" means in a blanket manner, across the board. Since incest and marriage are not the same thing, blood relatives being prohibited from marriage doesn't mean they can't live together and be intimate without marriage. Marriage prohibitions don't mean incest is illegal.
 

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I've never heard of still being used to mean "all the same", and I can't find that usage in Merriam-Webster's Dictionary when checking just now. In any case, I meant "as of this time", as in, "...there continue to be many countries where incest of some type is allowed."
A random example: He says he doesn't like her, still he won't stop calling her. I think you could say all the same instead of still.

I wouldn't agree on "there continue to be many countries", which at first sight means that they are remnants of the past, as it is precisely the contrary: they were under religious law and some day they adopted civil laws that are separated from religious law, and I doubt it will change back. But it's a matter of formulation :)
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. I didn't see footnote / endnote references for almost any of those, so it's pretty hard to tell where the information was found to see to exactly what extent it's allowed. I therefore assume in those cases "Legal" means in a blanket manner, across the board. Since incest and marriage are not the same thing, blood relatives being prohibited from marriage doesn't mean they can't live together and be intimate without marriage. Marriage prohibitions don't mean incest is illegal.
This is exactly what happens in my country, except that only the blood relatives I mentioned are prohibited from marriage, for instance cousins at any degree can marry. I guess it's because it could create unsolvable issues in case of inheritance.
 

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A random example: He says he doesn't like her, still he won't stop calling her. I think you could say all the same instead of still.
Oh, I see now. The very specific use of that phrase to mean yet or still. I hadn't thought of that use, so I see what you mean now. Nevertheless, that's not how I meant it.
I wouldn't agree on "there continue to be many countries", which at first sight means that they are remnants of the past, as it is precisely the contrary: they were under religious law and some day they adopted civil laws that are separated from religious law, and I doubt it will change back. But it's a matter of formulation :)
You are using continue to be in a limited sense, such as nation by nation: "France continues to be a famous European country." However, I was using it more broadly: "In the past, incest was legal in some nations in the world. Today, there continue to be some nations in the world [not necessarily the same as in the past] where incest is legal." That does not mean the same nations that allowed it centuries ago necessarily allow it today, nor that nations where it previously was illegal cannot have made it legal now. You were definitely applying the phrase differently than how I was using it.
This is exactly what happens in my country, except that only the blood relatives I mentioned are prohibited from marriage, for instance cousins at any degree can marry. I guess it's because it could create unsolvable issues in case of inheritance.
There are a variety of reasons why it might or might not be allowed. You have cited religion multiple times, and while it's true that's had an influence in some parts of the world, there are several other factors that may have contributed to prohibitions on incest. I have heard some describe how incest could be the result of power differentials within a family, with one sibling dominating the other so they acquiesce when otherwise they would not engage in it. It's very possible some prohibitions stem from something more along these lines. It varies from region to region, I would think.
 
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There are a variety of reasons why it might or might not be allowed. You have cited religion multiple times, and while it's true that's had an influence in some parts of the world, there are several other factors that may have contributed to prohibitions on incest. I have heard some describe how incest could be the result of power differentials within a family, with one sibling dominating the other so they acquiesce when otherwise they would not engage in it. It's very possible some prohibitions stem from something more along these lines. It varies from region to region, I would think.
I agree with you.
I mentioned religion because its influence was very important in some countries. There are still many people in France or in Spain who believe that first cousins aren't allowed to marry; they can't at church unless the local bishop gives a special permission, but before the mayor they can.
 
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Great game, good renders, great models, girls are so hot, i really like the sister, the think is i don't really think updates are that enough. I didn't play that game since May 2023 and it seems there have been only one update ? A bummer, cause there's a lot of potential in that game. Not so many contents and that game is running since Summer 2022 i think.
 
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OK, well I'll take your word for it. Must say I'm more than a little surprised, although I would bet a lot of money it has to be mostly because of very old laws that have not been updated or because multiple statutes are contradictory and therefore nullify one another legally. :unsure: I can't imagine there are any laws explicitly protecting incest or else someone would have cynically based a political campaign on overturning them already and the publicity would have forced those states to immediately put aside more important legislation to change them.

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You've never heard of "royalty"?:devilish::ROFLMAO:
Uh, that's exactly the point. Even by crossing second or third cousins for generations most male British royals look like inbred monsters, so to stay viable they now have to bring in attractive women (who would never reproduce with their ugly asses under any other circumstances) to refresh their shallow gene pool. [Full credit to Chuck for ignoring that this time around and re-marrying for love and definitely not looks. Guess he thought he already did his duty the first time around for reproductions' sake.]
 

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Oh, dunno about NJ/RI but in OH there've already been several petitions started by this or that group to get it outlawed over the past few decades (at least, probably longer), since we value personal freedom here it's always been voted no and in the past 10-15 years they haven't even gotten enough signatures to get it on the ballot for election day, as the majority here feel it's pointless to even try to govern what 2 consenting people are allowed to do in their own bedrooms, particularly after gay marriage was legalized. Free love and all that. That kinda goes along with the AOC still being 16 here still with no age gap considerations at all as it's been since 1929. There's just no political will to change what still works/isn't broken.

As far as incest risks, whatever they are, not my problem or business and that's between the siblings considering it and most in OH see it that way. The reasearch I've uncovered on bored/curious days says it's around +3% for even the most common genetic disease, Down's Syndrome (normally 1 in ~700, so 1 in 30 of siblings having a Downs baby, still low, unless they plan on having 30 kids or something), and just goes down from there, with the caveat being that their is no history of it like the Hapsburgs (ie parents, grandparents, etc are all vanilla). Really though even the worst possible incest situation than even the Hapsburgs (and even that took 500+ years before it caused sterility and 200+ before diseases bad enough to cause deformities were showing up) I can think of was around 70-74k years ago when the Toba eruption wiped out all but 10k breeding pairs of humans worldwide, most of which were families/tribes stuck in isolation for the better part of a century until the volcanic winter finally let up. Imagine that, 4-6 generations of not just the current ~2% of the population impregnating their family but more like 50%, and in all sorts of combos, incuding the far-riskier-than-siblings intergenerational (fathers/daughters, mothers/sons) since it was mostly either breed with family or watch everyone die out (probably of horniness first rather than old age, like Brooke Shields and her brother would have on that island in Blue Lagoon, but I digress). Now, I can't find too many specific examples of individuals from that period with genetic diseases, presumably there were quite a few from daughters getting knocked up by their dads and mothers by their sons, but if what was left of the human race can survive ~100 years of that (albeit with everyone alive today with genetic "scars" from it) I'm not at all worried about today's 2% incest rate enough to go into a panic and call Columbus and beg them to outlaw it before the human race goes extinct (it wouldn't stop them anyway, like gays did in the 1960's and before they'd just keep it secret and most of them do so anyway due to the social stigma of it). I just have better things to do with my life and so does everyone else, even if it's just fapping to incest porn/AVNs. Besides, it's 2024, there's genetic screening these days for those siblings that wanna make some babies but also want to minimize the risks instead of just going in blind and crossing their fingers. There's also even talk about using Crispr to fix any abnormalities in the zygote that may show up if they are unlucky, but that tech isn't here yet (maybe 2030's, and it's related to the "designer babies" debate). I leave with a quote from Quora (mostly experts on variious topics/fields there if you know who's posting) "A brother and sister can have a perfectly healthy child together. Children born of incestuous couplings do have an increased risk of presenting genetic defects and/or deformities. But the increased risk is negligible with first generation inbreeding. It only becomes a significant risk with multi-generational incest."
OK, I give up and this is the last post from me on the topic. Downs is a chromosomal abnormality and is not a birth defect having anything to do with relatedness. Confirms that lack of undertanding of biology is the issue here. Searching websites like Quora is not the same as learning about genetics. End of thread hijack on this topic.
 
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Sensational women and the visuals are top rate. Beautiful work on the erotic aesthetic, bodies etc.
 

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Don't let the door hit you in the ass, more AVN update for me. Fuck boring wallpapers, make your own if you want them that bad, I prefer actual AVN story updates. I'm sure Le French cares about what F95 pirates want anyway, not. He probably only cares about what actual paying subs want like most devs and may not even read F95 comments.
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whens the next updates bois. lmao im not even here for the scenes anymore the story is more interesting and yea the familys definitely close huh
 
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This game is excellent but I came back to it after 10 months and it feels like there was barely any progress. Does the current version really end with Nat talking to someone on her phone in her apartment or did I miss something?

Edit: I see now that there really hasn't been much done on this in these past 10 months. Such a shame. This Dev has lightning in a bottle if his output was just more frequent.
 
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