VN Ren'Py Restore Her Career [v0.31] [Kalyha]

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But isn't it's just natural? Corrupted characters as a result of corrupting game. I don't see other options, so I don't think "fault" is accurate word. It's just how storytelling works, tension level can't be even from start to the final. We passed the culmination, it's expected that excitement get lower. I remember like 2 years ago I was warning other users here, about that they are wrong with hurrying dev to break Adrianna faster, because the process of pursuit can be better than reward. And now we are in a point of time where people complaining that girls already broken.

Stay strong, dear Kalyha, those folks nevah can be satisfied.

It sounds like we agree on everything regarding the natural flow of storytelling. It can turn into fault if the conclusion gets dragged out too much and gets repetitive and stale. But I don't think that's a guarantee here, there's lots of possibilities for more 'meat on the bone'! I gave some in my first comment, even

 

[otoboke]

First, you can't compare the Narrative structure of Movies and Games 1:1. They are 2 very different kinds of Media with their own rules and conventions.

Just as an example, Movies run roughly for 90-120 minutes, Games (AVN's) can easily take between 5, up to 50+ hours. That alone opens Games up to a (potentially) much more complex and more detailed structure when it comes to Narration and Characters.

I don't know how it's in visual novels, maybe they suffering from graphomania. I'm refering to universal principles that works in any art. Literature, for example, is not really different from cinema, you never can see like 10% of the book length being dedicated to side character. Even biggest novels, like 500-1000 pages, introducing new characters by just couple of paragraphs, half or the one page at best. I think attempts to "properly" developing 10-20 characters in one work is the signature of nowadays, when a lot of people, who is not professionals, making indi games as a hobby.
Uncertain manner of execution, when artist leaving as much details as possible in a "blured" state, to allow some range of interpretations (as well as to make it easier to viewer to associate with character, because when it's not completely clear how character feels or what his motivation is, the viewer can substitute his own mindset) is also universal. It's same in poetry, song lyrics, painting. For example, impressionism have no sharply depicted details at all, except of lightning. Or languages that more depends on context than inflections (so they allow more interpretations, like english) is more suitable for poetry and lyrics.

You're kind of right and totally wrong at the same Time.

Except for word "totally", it's fair enough btw, I understand it. Not everything I'm talking about is applicable to the actual topic, and for sure RHC have a space to get better in any aspect, including storytelling. Moreover me too had a feel that Emma's and Jenna's behaviour shift happened kinda abruptly. My point is that your judgment is too uncompromising, there is the other side of the coin, other point of view. A flaw is not always a fail, sometimes flawless state is just unachievable. 10-20 side characters developed as thoroughly as main one in a hobby work of fiction that is finished in a human's life span or the corruption eroge where characters evolving but the tension/excitement never drops - is the examples of those chimeras or unicorns that will never be catched.

 

[Pancake888274]

Just played the latest one, and goddamn what an update it was! I wasn't really expecting much considering the fact that there's no Adrianna progression on this one. But it really didn't disappoint with the side chicks at all!

Absolutely loved the night club scenes with Emma and Kate. And to top it all off, the scenes with Scarlett really just did it for me. Not gonna lie, top class netori right there with top tier situation setting. The dialogue writing has been a standout of this game which has me hooked for a while now. This has been a masterpiece Kalyha! This really has set the bar high, at least for me.

I know some might disagree with it all being a bit too fast of a progression there, but I'm all for the fact that as a dev, you really can't keep piling up the tasks of including every minute detail you can before it happens or before you reach there.

For someone who left off this game long ago due to it's super slow progression, and came back 2 years later to give it a try, only to find oneself sticking to the game this time around, I really can say the the progression has been decent enough in recent times. Also, I wouldn't want the update frequency of a game of such potential to be like twice a year or something, only because it has to add "everything" to make it look more real. It's my personal opinion and I respect those who wanna have it otherwise, but I'm done with projects of that kind that take way too long for something to happen. Main reason why I dropped this game off in the first place. I know that it all shouldn't happen almost instantaneously either. But for the time the game made people to wait initially (with some of them dropping it off midway like me), has what has made the current pacing worth sticking on to it. I would want realistic character development for sure yes, but I wouldn't want to grow too old enough to see all of that happening if you know what I mean haha. Especially when it's a single dev that's pulling it all off and taking in whatever suggestions and feedbacks he can. But well, to each their own, and differing ideas are always welcome. But at the end of the day, we all know what we are here for.

Happy holidays and wishing everyone a great year ahead!

 

[otoboke]

I know some might disagree with it all being a bit too fast of a progression there, but I'm all for the fact that as a dev, you really can't keep piling up the tasks of including every minute detail you can before it happens or before you reach there.

For someone who left off this game long ago due to it's super slow progression, and came back 2 years later to give it a try, only to find oneself sticking to the game this time around, I really can say the the progression has been decent enough in recent times.

Yeah, roughly speaking, 33% of players thinks that progression is too slow, another 33% thinks it's too fast, and the rest thinks that pace is just fine. And non of them is wrong, because it's mostly the matter of individual perception.

And any developer just can't hit every goal, like monumental complexity, fast production, keeping it free to play and etc. You have to keep balance and sacrifice a lot of things. Those who can't - just ending up abandoning their projects.

 

[internet_says]

I think the progression is great, as is the game over all. The only 2 complaints about the game is the dev needs a proofreader or spellcheck because every update has a bunch of typos which is minor and the update isn't like one of those cartoons where the train is building the railroad tracks as it runs along cuz I wish there was more every time I see the save now screen.

 

[envyNox]

Exactly, if a new player start a new game, one update without Adrianna wouldn't be a big deal as there is a ton of content with her already (and still a lot coming), but I can understand the disappointment of some. You can still check the reworked content of her though as it is "new"... haha...

Regarding sharing, I'll repeat it again but there won't be any NTR or sharing with main girls. Scarlett not being one, I thought it could fit her story, but well even for her it is optional.

"There won't be any sharing" , ... 1 second later , optional sharing !

 

[oste22]

Amazing update, even though there was no Adrianna, I can say this might be the best update so far. The scenes with Kate and Emma are unreal.

 

[otoboke]

"There won't be any sharing" , ... 1 second later , optional sharing !

Can you explain how option that nobody forces you to pick still hurts you?

 

[oste22]

"There won't be any sharing" , ... 1 second later , optional sharing !

My man there is no sharing with the main girls (Adrianna, Jenna, Linda, Emma), Scarlett is not one of the main girls, get it now ?

 

[internet_says]

Can you explain how option that nobody forces you to pick still hurts you?

wait till they find out they have the option to punch themself in the dick or eat dog poop off the sidewalk in real life...

 

[Rhinochoc]

What is the name of this sexual position?

 

[otoboke]

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What is the name of this sexual position?

Guilty pleasure.

 

[Mario4don]

Can you explain how option that nobody forces you to pick still hurts you?

Well it's not about whether someone is hurt by this or not, but about the fact that dev is simply breaking his previous promises by adding such content even as optional content.

It's your lucky day then, since no sharing is intended into the game.
The MC is and will be the only one having fun with the ladies.

And unfortunately, but with great regret I have to say that such behavior on the part of many devs has recently become more and more common and more often they break the promises they made earlier and thus they usually lose their previous reputation in the eyes of many of their fans. And here we should of course consider what causes these devs to break their own promises more and more often and the only thing that comes to my mind is the saying "if you don't know what it's about, it's usually about money".

 

[otoboke]

Well it's not about whether someone is hurt by this or not, but about the fact that dev is simply breaking his previous promises by adding such content even as optional content.

Why you should even care about existance of additional content? It's not like a promise about adding(!) the content you like is broken. So you not losing anything.

and thus they usually lose their previous reputation in the eyes of many of their fans.

It sounds like an attempt of manipulation and ultimatum or am I wrong?
And why some people even collects a promises about exclusion of some type of content? Kinda weird behaviour. Usually(actually - always, or almost always) people requests devs to add content they like, not opposite.

 

[Mario4don]

Why you should even care about existance of additional content? It's not like a promise about adding(!) the content you like is broken. So you not losing anything.


It sounds like an attempt of manipulation and ultimatum or am I wrong?
And why some people even collects a promises about exclusion of some type of content? Kinda weird behaviour. Usually(actually - always, or almost always) people requests devs to add content they like, not opposite.

The word "promise" has only one specific meaning and it cannot be interpreted in different ways.

For me, if someone promises something and then simply does not keep this promise and it does not matter for what reason, such a person simply becomes unreliable and thus I can no longer trust them at their word.

So if in this specific case in this game the dev has already broken his own promise that there will be no sharing in his game, then he may as well add even ntr in a moment, which he has sworn he will never add, but who is supposed to believe him in this case since he has already promised something once and then broken his promise anyway. And it does not matter here that the content he promised not to add is optional because after all, by adding it he has already broken his promise.

So I simply and exclusively stated the fact that the dev promised something and now he simply broke his word and when writing my comment I did not and do not have any demands or requirements for the dev to change or remove anything from his game because after all it is his game and he can do whatever he likes in it.

As for the dev's reputation, it is obvious to me and I think to many others as well that if someone cannot even keep their word they simply lose the trust of people for whom keeping promises is of great importance and so I do not know why you are trying to consider this as some attempt at manipulation or as giving some kind of ultimatum and to be honest I do not even know where it came to your mind that this was my intention because I assure you it was not.

 

[otoboke]

So if in this specific case in this game the dev has already broken his own promise that there will be no sharing in his game, then he may as well add even ntr in a moment, which he has sworn he will never add, but who is supposed to believe him in this case since he has already promised something once and then broken his promise anyway. And it does not matter here that the content he promised not to add is optional because after all, by adding it he has already broken his promise.

Sounds silly, not gonna lie.
Usually, promises taken serious and sentences like "you broke your promise" and "I believed you" being used in quite different circumstances - between people that knows each other and have some emotional bond. Like: "Son, you did promise me that you will clean your room!" or "Romeo, why did you broke your promise to always love me?" - "Believe me, Juliet, I still love you and will be until my last breath".

When some artist, for example a musician, making a statement that he will never make an album in some certain music genre, but then still makes it, starting a drama like "we believed you, but you broke your promise" looks kinda out of place. People changing, they are also don't own you anything, it's not like you really have their words. It's only on you if you took such promises deep into your heart, from a person you don't have any real relation to.
Also never saw a drama like "devs, but you did promise that you will release Witcher 3/GTA 5 in october, but you did broke your promise! So, you ruined your reputations and no one ever will believe you again!". Lol. Well, maybe some people doing it, but sane majority just moving on.

And Kalyha's reputation is based on his steady development pace and the quality bar that stays high and never drops. Not on his specific view on range of content and how he changes it or not, such things is just matter of individual taste and have nothing to do with reputation. Moreover, his statement "no ntr with 4 main girls" still true.

 

[TrixRabbit]

The word "promise" has only one specific meaning and it cannot be interpreted in different ways.

For me, if someone promises something and then simply does not keep this promise and it does not matter for what reason, such a person simply becomes unreliable and thus I can no longer trust them at their word.

So if in this specific case in this game the dev has already broken his own promise that there will be no sharing in his game, then he may as well add even ntr in a moment, which he has sworn he will never add, but who is supposed to believe him in this case since he has already promised something once and then broken his promise anyway. And it does not matter here that the content he promised not to add is optional because after all, by adding it he has already broken his promise.

So I simply and exclusively stated the fact that the dev promised something and now he simply broke his word and when writing my comment I did not and do not have any demands or requirements for the dev to change or remove anything from his game because after all it is his game and he can do whatever he likes in it.

As for the dev's reputation, it is obvious to me and I think to many others as well that if someone cannot even keep their word they simply lose the trust of people for whom keeping promises is of great importance and so I do not know why you are trying to consider this as some attempt at manipulation or as giving some kind of ultimatum and to be honest I do not even know where it came to your mind that this was my intention because I assure you it was not.

If I remember correctly he promised there would be no sharing of the main Lis (even the married ones) but unless I missed something there is only one sharing scene with one side girl and it's completely optional (you just have to say no). I personally can't stand any kind of swinging, sharing, NTR but as long as it's completely optional - like you say yes or no to that and it's clear and specific - then I don't care very much.

 

[Mario4don]

Sounds silly, not gonna lie.
Usually, promises taken serious and sentences like "you broke your promise" and "I believed you" being used in quite different circumstances - between people that knows each other and have some emotional bond. Like: "Son, you did promise me that you will clean your room!" or "Romeo, why did you broke your promise to always love me?" - "Believe me, Juliet, I still love you and will be until my last breath".

When some artist, for example a musician, making a statement that he will never make an album in some certain music genre, but then still makes it, starting a drama like "we believed you, but you broke your promise" looks kinda out of place. People changing, they are also don't own you anything, it's not like you really have their words. It's only on you if you took such promises deep into your heart, from a person you don't have any real relation to.
Also never saw a drama like "devs, but you did promise that you will release Witcher 3/GTA 5 in october, but you did broke your promise! So, you ruined your reputations and no one ever will believe you again!". Lol. Well, maybe some people doing it, but sane majority just moving on.

And Kalyha's reputation is based on his steady development pace and the quality bar that stays high and never drops. Not on his specific view on range of content and how he changes it or not, such things is just matter of individual taste and have nothing to do with reputation. Moreover, his statement "no ntr with 4 main girls" still true.

Well, you have your opinion on this topic and I have mine and of course each of us has the right to their own opinion here.

For you, as you write, the word "promise" does not mean much since you are trying hard to prove to me that promises have no meaning if they are made by someone you do not even know personally, but for me a promise is a promise, and even more so a publicly made one (because that is how a promise made by a dev on this forum should be called), but it has meaning regardless of whether I know the person who makes it personally or not.

So let's end our discussions on this topic here because as you can see each of us treats promises in a different way.

I wish you and everyone here all the best for the New Year that will soon appear.

 

[otoboke]

Well, you have your opinion on this topic and I have mine and of course each of us has the right to their own opinion here.

This particular part is totally fine, but you guys starting unnecessary drama here. Like if Kalyha was your friend and did deceived you. While there is literally nothing happened.

but for me a promise is a promise, and even more so a publicly made one (because that is how a promise made by a dev on this forum should be called), but it has meaning regardless of whether I know the person who makes it personally or not.

Then you better not get any close to politics. As well as to any IT announcements when tech companies declaring that their next product will have certain list of features. Because there is literally no plans in this world, that don't change over time.
Taking every stated intention as a pinky promise and then get upset - can't be healthy either to you and to people around.

 

[Rhinochoc]

I dreamed of seeing the first scene with Aunt Jenna and Adrianna, the first scene with Linda and her daughter, Emma at the club with her son catching her haha... So much funny potential that could happen!