Conviction07

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So I have (what I believe to be) a legitimate question about this, from the writing perspective;

What was the design philosophy that led to the creation and inclusion of this 'heavily exaggerated' past for the Grace character and why was an exaggerated depiction chosen?

To elaborate on my question;

You (or someone from the Development team) posted that this game is focused on a more romantic/relationship theme than the first game and that this title will be focused on the MC "getting the girl" "MC will be the only male", something like that (I am paraphrasing so please correct me if I am wrong).

Assuming that is true (which I do believe :D), then what was the conceptual idea for creating the Grace flashback scene? At the risk of stereotyping players, it seems like content that is fairly far-afield from the typical types that the 'MC will be the only dick" crowd will enjoy seeing.

To be clear; I don't have any anger at its inclusion. I've not played the game and so I have no investment in the story. I am genuinely curious what the 'flashbacks' are supposed to add to the story and who it was targeted at (with respect to the audience). Especially since it has the proviso of being (as you say) "heavily exaggerated".

From my experience, writing to specific fetishes will always run the (high) risk of alienating many players with other fetishes especially given that many of these are diametrically opposed. For the sake of argument, let's call these Grace flashbacks 'Gangbang Scenes'. (I am in no way a fan of 'that' 3 letter fetish, but even I think it's a stretch to call them that)

So my assumption is (treating both the GB fans and the OMC fans as equally invested in the story);
Gangbang scenes will ultimately be a turn off for "Only MC" players, it's pretty much anathema to them. So by design, including them would dissuade a portion of the 'Only MC' crowd from playing the game. This is fine if your target audience is the 'Gangbang' crowd (unintentional pun ;) ).

However, by stating that those scenes are being "exaggerated" by Grace, it comes down to the fact that she is either not telling the whole truth or flat out lying, perhaps to create jealousy in MC? In either case, since these events are 'made up by her' to one degree or another, and staying with the assumption that both fan bases care equally invested in the story, could this not dissuade the 'Gangbang' crowd (or anyone who enjoys a character of that particular type) with an "It didn't actually happen" sort of argument?

Perhaps I am reading too much into this, but I would really like to know what planning/design decisions were made in writing the scene, with the intention that it was an exaggeration of the past, and which group the scene was written for? (even if it was just for the writer)

I am curious because I enjoy a well-written game, and this content seems to be 'jarring' or 'out of place' in the context of the greater story (just my own opinion).

To be crystal clear;

- I understand that the "Grace Flashbacks" are skippable/optional content. That's irrelevant to my question.
- I fully support the Developers making THEIR game THEIR way.
- I have no 'demands' nor do I feel any kind of 'entitlements'.
- I am fine if this game is 'not for me'.
- I am indeed 'Relaxed'.
- I respect/expect people to disagree with me and that's OK.
- As I have not yet Pae/SS'd/Donated towards this title, I have zero expectations (though learning what they have planned for the future does help me decide if I want to support this).
These scenes were only ever intended to be viewed as almost non canon bonus content, containing over the top, raunchy little stories for those who'd like that kind of thing. Admittedly, it was also a way of adding some more X rated scenes into these earlier episodes in a way that wouldn't disrupt the flow of the present story or development of the characters. Obviously some people feel it tarnishes their opinion of Grace moving forward, but I guess by making them avoidable, questionable in their truth, and the fact that it happened near two decades ago, I'd hoped that would be enough for non fans to at least be tolerant of it. But perhaps I underestimated some peoples sensitivity towards these types of scenes.

The thing is, at the end of the day, we're just a bunch of people doing our best to create the most enjoyable games we can, and sometimes for better or worse that means trying to make everyone happy, which I should know by now is a fools errand. I just wish more people would realize this when they start on their crusades to tear our and other developers games to shreds.
 

gauke

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i finished season 1 a while back and just saw season 2 but only episode 2... if you download season 2 ep 2 do you start from episode 1 or 2 ? (is there a separate download for season 2 ep 1 ?)
 

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i finished season 1 a while back and just saw season 2 but only episode 2... if you download season 2 ep 2 do you start from episode 1 or 2 ? (is there a separate download for season 2 ep 1 ?)
SwM1 and SwM2 are seperated games. If you download episode 2 from the startpost you get the complete SwM2 no other downlads needed.
 

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think a few too many people may have expected this game to progress as quickly as SWM 1, dont forgot that was a conversion of the RPGM game that was in production for a long time and progressed slowly at the start. This is more likely to be along the EOL route and if your expecting to be banging every girl within the first 3-4 updates I'd start managing your expectations a little better.

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I'm more focused in Mia--- I'm not interested in games where the Male MC fuck every girl
the Title is: Summer with Mia 2
the story progress should be more faster than Summer with Mia 1... because the previous release was made very well

I repeat... this is the second chapter of SWM and the second chapter must be more interesting then the first release..
That is wht a lot of people complain for the slow progression.

in the old RPGM conversion the story progression is perfect!
so you are saying that because it is in Renpy Engine the story progression must be slower?
This is totally non-sense!

This is a story regression compared with SwM1
 

rebellare

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Bonus Content automatically being on is correct, the mod unlocks it.
If you're referring to the circle with the arrow on it, and the red button on the top right of the screen, that is a bug in the game, not an issue with the mod.
I tried them with and without the mod
To correct everyone who uses a pirated version and blames the developer... It happens because another variable isn't set correctly because the "hacker" only changed one variable related to Bonus Content. If you wrote in the code instead of using a poorly "hacked" version, it would've worked fine. Furthermore, the reason it still kept happening after you tried it without "the mod" is becuase it's a persistent type variable which remained the same even after you removed the mod. The other variable makes the buttons unusable as it was intented to switch after seeing the Bonus Content Tutorial and inputing the Bonus Content code. Try not to blame developers after rummaging through their code and messing things up...
 

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Are you sure about the unnecessary apostrophe when the beginning of a sentence is ommited? Example 2, I mean.
Yes, very much so. Apostrophes are used to replace letters, not words. They can occur at the beginning ('though for although, 'Tis for "It is") or end of a word (sittin' for sitting) as well as in the middle sometimes (most common contractions like haven't).

When you are omitting entire words from sentences, it only works because the context makes clear what words were intended. There's no need for a placeholder.
 

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I'm more focused in Mia--- I'm not interested in games where the Male MC fuck every girl
the Title is: Summer with Mia 2
the story progress should be more faster than Summer with Mia 1... because the previous release was made very well

I repeat... this is the second chapter of SWM and the second chapter must be more interesting then the first release..
That is wht a lot of people complain for the slow progression.

in the old RPGM conversion the story progression is perfect!
so you are saying that because it is in Renpy Engine the story progression must be slower?
This is totally non-sense!

This is a story regression compared with SwM1
I swear nothing you ever say makes any sense. Have you even played this game yet? Because not long ago you also bitching about how much better swm1 was, before you even had. :rolleyes:
And who are all these people complaining about the slow progression? I've counted you and maybe one other person. And seriously, to be doing so after only two episodes, no one should take you seriously.
We get it. You don't give a shit about the story or any of the other characters besides Mia, and the only thing that'll satisfy you is the mc fucking her. Stop repeating yourself.
 

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I swear nothing you ever say makes any sense. Have you even played this game yet? Because not long ago you also bitching about how much better swm1 was, before you even had. :rolleyes:
And who are all these people complaining about the slow progression? I've counted you and maybe one other person. And seriously, to be doing so after only two episodes, no one should take you seriously.
We get it. You don't give a shit about the story or any of the other characters besides Mia, and the only thing that'll satisfy you is the mc fucking her. Stop repeating yourself.
I'm not repeating
you are repeating yourself... please try to respect the opinions of many many users!

you think the conversion from RPGM justify the fact that the story progression in SWM1 is too fast?

for me SwM1 is just perfect!
 

defd©™

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This new release is not written by the same
I swear nothing you ever say makes any sense. Have you even played this game yet? Because not long ago you also bitching about how much better swm1 was, before you even had. :rolleyes:
And who are all these people complaining about the slow progression? I've counted you and maybe one other person. And seriously, to be doing so after only two episodes, no one should take you seriously.
We get it. You don't give a shit about the story or any of the other characters besides Mia, and the only thing that'll satisfy you is the mc fucking her. Stop repeating yourself.
I was replaying to thenono... why you replay to me by repeating your opinion about me?
you have to respect!
 

defd©™

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SwM1 and SwM2 are seperated games. If you download episode 2 from the startpost you get the complete SwM2 no other downlads needed.
really?
there is a game with the same Title and the same characters... and the same Model that was made from the same developer!
the title is Summer with Mia 2 and you say that is it a separate game?

I think the developer could have chosen another title if he wanted to separate this new chapter of summers with MIA ...
there are 2 games from the same dev the first one is "Summer With Mia".. and the second one is "Summer With Mia 2"
(what a non sense in your post)

if you download from the OP you get only the second chapter!
if you want to know the real story of Mia... YOU MUST DOWNLOAD the first complete release
 

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I'm not going to complain about Grace's story. He has a past and all that. I'm just saying that as li is dead for me. That is just my opinion. Fortunately, Mia is the main one and I suppose we can totally pass Grace. And regarding a comment that I have seen here, no, there are not only five who do not like ntr. I think there are many more who do not like than those who do like the theme of ntr. That does not mean that I am saying that there is ntr here, that I think there is not currently.
 
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defd©™

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i finished season 1 a while back and just saw season 2 but only episode 2... if you download season 2 ep 2 do you start from episode 1 or 2 ? (is there a separate download for season 2 ep 1 ?)
this is the OP for the season 2 version 0.2 but the developer calls each update as episode instead of version... in the 99% of the other games here there is a version number when an update comes out! That will causes a lot of confusion bc in this game EP 2 is same as version 0.2 so when you download episode 2 you will get episode 1 as well!
But you are right and your question is a very good question.... it is nonsense of the developer because he does not want to use the version number like ALL in the game world ... absurdly when you will see this game reach Episode 10 in the future there will be for sure a lot of confusion.
For sure i will post a question like yours at that time.

hey where are the episode from 1 to 9?
We will have to download 10 separate episodes?
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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I'm not going to complain about Grace's story. He has a past and all that. I'm just saying that as li is dead for me. That is just my opinion. Fortunately, Mia is the main one and I suppose we can totally pass Grace. And regarding a comment that I have seen here, no, there are not only five who do not like ntr. I think there are many more who do not like than those who do like the theme of ntr. That does not mean that I am saying that there is ntr here, that I think there is not currently.
I have a question for you guys that are so adamant about not liking Grace because of her past. How do you feel about the current Mia? She's sleeping with her boyfriend, what if that gets shown? she's been with him for a year after all. Is that going to be considered NTR too? Or are yall just going to purposely ignore it if its not shown so you can believe it never happened?
 
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I have a question for you guys that are so adamant about not liking Grace because of her past. How do you feel about the current Mia? She's sleeping with her boyfriend, what if that gets shown? she's been with him for a year after all. Is that going to be considered NTR too? Or are yall just going to purposely ignore it since its not shown so you can believe it never happened?
for now we dont know if Mia sleeps with bf...Maybe Mia still feels simpathy towards MC after they break up and her bf is always away so who know maybe Mia said to bf she needs time before going to bed with him
 
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Grace sex stories was guaranteed to piss off a lot of players regardless of how it was presented. Ntr haters would obviously take it bad even it isn't really ntr BUT what really triggers hate is the fact that grace is a SLUT(your average milf ain't whoring herself for good grades and money). Yes the scene is easily avoidable but we all come here to discuss the game and even if you didn't choose to watch you bloody know that the scene was about.
 

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I have a question for you guys that are so adamant about not liking Grace because of her past. How do you feel about the current Mia? She's sleeping with her boyfriend, what if that gets shown? she's been with him for a year after all. Is that going to be considered NTR too?
The pathetic little crusade against ntr in this thread is just ridiculous.
All the best daylight TV series are full of ntr stories because when there is a relationship that involves more than just 2 characters .... in the Holy Bible from Adam and Eve there must always be an Apple and a Snake ... the story of Adamo and Eva without apple and snake would never become interesting.
Making the ntr part evitable is like remove the whole story ---

only fairy tales for small children are written without betrayal ... but if you read Cinderella or Snow White you realize that there is also a sort of NTR...

Like in Adamo & Eva story to avoid boring in a relationship NTR is a must!
All the rest is just a childish tale!

PS: in Adamo & Eva story line there are 2 of my favourite tags: NTR, Bestiality ;)
 
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Grace sex stories was guaranteed to piss off a lot of players regardless of how it was presented. Ntr haters would obviously take it bad even it isn't really ntr BUT what really triggers hate is the fact that grace is a SLUT(your average milf ain't whoring herself for good grades and money). Yes the scene is easily avoidable but we all come here to discuss the game and even if you didn't choose to watch you bloody know that the scene was about.
Grace story is a must in this game because the incest tag!
so no one can complain... (or better only childish tale lovers can complain)

I'm waiting for more tags before play this game because the season 1 was great!
I hate childish tales in porno-games
 

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The pathetic little crusade against ntr in this thread is just ridiculous.
All the best daylight TV series are full of ntr stories because when there is a relationship that involves more than just 2 characters .... in the Holy Bible from Adam and Eve there must always be an Apple and a Snake ... the story of adam and eve without apple and snake would never become interesting.
Making the ntr part evitable is like remove the whole story ---

only fairy tales for small children are written without betrayal ... but if you read Cinderella or Snow White you realize that there is also a sort of NTR...

Like in Adamo & Eva story to avoid boring in a relationship NTR is a must!
All the rest is just a childish tale!
At this point its not even real NTR and i kinda wish the dev would put some real NTR in the game so their complaints would actually be valid. :LOL:
 
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