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New Scenes...? (tldr; nope...)

Well, I've been drawing dicks all day (seriously, so many dicks... well, the same dick, but in an animation. 500~ish frames of dicks down, 500~ish more frames of dicks to go, for just this one scene... sigh) so what better way to unwind than talking about art!

I've seen a lot of people asking for new scenes, and that is very understandable. We all want more content, new content! Edits are okay, but they aren't new, they're just different. It's not more story, it's an alternate story, that (to be fair) not everyone want's, that's why it's alternate. (Although a lot of people don't seem to want anything but the original, but whatever. I've already talked at length about the reason I changed stuff.)

I want new scenes too! Fuck, I can't wait for Ferdafs next content update to see new stuff! But, I'm also the developer on this version of the game, and people are asking for new scenes here too (mostly because I think they don't know/realize/care what this game is). And my options of adding more choices to past scenes is dwindling.

So, what to do? I see three possible choices.

First is the easiest: nothing. I fix bugs and typos, implement new scenes when they come out, and maybe add some minor options/changes to those new scenes. Effectively, I just work on the game for like a week every two months. Not very exciting, but also way less time consuming.

Or, I could try and make my own scenes with original art, which by the way I have been trying to do, and they... they do not look good... I can do the writing and coding side of it no problem (again, not everyone likes my writing, but also again, whatever...). But my art is just not getting better. I am not an artist, no matter how much I work at it. So this feels like the least likely option. Also, I think I've already put too much of my own subpar art in the game and I really don't want to cram in more.

The last option is the one I'm most hesitant to do, hire an artist. As I've said here I'm not willing to take money for this project for a number of reasons. The simplest (and shortest) being that it feels fucking dirty to profit off Ferdafs work or take potential income away from that game (and thus limit new content). But I also think the amount of art I need for new scenes isn't something I could realistically have an artist to do for free at the speed and quality I'd like.

So why not just hire an artist (asked no one)? Well, two reasons. First, the one you most likely immediately shouted at your screen, money.

Money is self explanatory, this game is designed to be free, and I don't want to spend more money on it. I've already bought software and spent a LOT of my own time making it. If I had to put a dollar amount on just my time, it's "cost" me something like $60,000 (I've been working on this project non-stop as a second job since October of 2020, and if covid hadn't been a thing, I would have never done it), and that's being fairly conservative on my time estimate. Of course, most of that was leisure time, so I would have wasted it on video games or something... probably porn games...

The second issue(s) is less obvious, and harder to understand (and even harder to explain). It's the question of, should I even make new scenes at all. This almost seems like a silly thing to get hung up on, considering the amount of "stuff" I've already raped into this game. But it's actually a question I've been struggling with for a long while now.

At the moment Morticia is the first (and only) character to get new scenes. I like them, no idea if anyone else does, but I like them, and I think they fit "okay-ish" into the game. And there are more scenes I want to add. I've got a list of new scenes I'd love to see, as well as some requested scenes from this thread. But there are two problems (other than the actual art part):

First is future content conflict. If I make a scene, and then Ferdafs makes a similar scene, what do I do? Rip out the one I did? Have both and maybe redo one? I see this as the smaller of the issues, but a real possibility. There are a few scene I think I could slip in (that's what she said) that can be one offs, or have limited impact (such as a Beth age regression to Summer's age (sorry no loli Beth)). So there is stuff I could put in past days, but this is also very limited.

(Although, on the flip side, if the scene quality is high enough and if Ferdafs ever became aware of this game, they could incorporate those scenes back into their game in this cool remake of a remake thing... that'll never happen... Even though Ferdafs is 100% free to use any and all parts of anything I've done without the need for credit or permission. I just don't see that happening.)

Then there is the second part. What this game is, and what I'm trying to keep it as. This game is a remake, or maybe a reimaging is a better term, but it's not an original game. I'm still ultimately confined to the story Ferdafs want's to tell (which isn't a complaint, just a fact of what this is). Sure I can change how its told, but not what is being told. I still need to use the images and through-line of the other game, or new content won't work.

If you've ever seen an "abridged" anime (Sword Art abridged is amazing btw, I can't recommend it enough. The original is a hot mess, but the abridged version is fucking brilliant), that's sort of what I'm doing here. Taking the source material and tweaking it to my liking. Not making my own.

So (a fucking thousand words later), am I going to make new scenes? No. I think that at least for the time being I'm going to do what editing I can, keep practicing my own art, and implement what Ferdafs puts out. There may still be space for new scenes at some point, but don't hold your breath for new scenes from me any time soon.

Anyhow... thanks for reading... Sorry it got so long... I hope you enjoyed at least some of my ramblings.
 

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I've said it before, but I'll say it again, the Rick and Morty writers have definitely been looking at the "rule 34" stuff, AND I'd put a small wager on them having seen this VN too.

Incest baby IS canon ...
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Heheheh! Funny when the original show make both Ferdafs and this remake version canon, disturbing yes but canon nonetheless. Now can't wait to see how Ferdafs will do with this information after that and see how Night Mirror will adapt it in the future updates
 
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Hey guys I am havin a small problem. I don't know why but the bottom line for menu, skip, save, etc.. is missing. I play it on Android. I know the should be either a swip or double tap function to make it appear again but it doesn't work for me. So if someone could tell me the commands to make it appear again, you would help me a lot. Can't save for a while.
Well... I have good news and bad news. The bad news is you found a new bug I need to fix, or rather something I didn't considered for android. It seems like you accidentally turned off the quick menu in preferences (an easy thing to do now that I'm fucking around trying to reproduce the issue). This is not a problem on PC (where I do most of the testing), but, uh, android doesn't have an alternate way to open the menu apparently (at least not without some extra code it seems).

The goodish news is that the app both auto saves and maintains when closed, so your progress won't vanish. Unfortunately this also means there doesn't seem to be a way back to the main menu, since the game resumes rather than returning to the menu when closed. This means loading saves, replaying scenes, preferences, etc... cannot be accessed in your current game state.

The only way I could get back to the main menu was to uninstall the app and reinstall it... but, this wipes out all the saves... Luckily it isn't too time intensive to get back to where you were if you decide to go this route. (skipping through the whole game with AutoMenu on only takes around 15ish minutes).

You can either use skip button with unseen text or the Do Over menu to return to the day you were in.

Sorry for the bug, I am planning on improving the android experience in the next update, but I haven't had a lot of feedback about android so it hasn't been high on my list to work on. :(
 

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Well... I have good news and bad news. The bad news is you found a new bug I need to fix, or rather something I didn't considered for android. It seems like you accidentally turned off the quick menu in preferences (an easy thing to do now that I'm fucking around trying to reproduce the issue). This is not a problem on PC (where I do most of the testing), but, uh, android doesn't have an alternate way to open the menu apparently (at least not without some extra code it seems).

The goodish news is that the app both auto saves and maintains when closed, so your progress won't vanish. Unfortunately this also means there doesn't seem to be a way back to the main menu, since the game resumes rather than returning to the menu when closed. This means loading saves, replaying scenes, preferences, etc... cannot be accessed in your current game state.

The only way I could get back to the main menu was to uninstall the app and reinstall it... but, this wipes out all the saves... Luckily it isn't too time intensive to get back to where you were if you decide to go this route. (skipping through the whole game with AutoMenu on only takes around 15ish minutes).

You can either use skip button with unseen text or the Do Over menu to return to the day you were in.

Sorry for the bug, I am planning on improving the android experience in the next update, but I haven't had a lot of feedback about android so it hasn't been high on my list to work on. :(
Thank you for your suggestions, funny enough I did all the things you replayed with already with a slight difference where I copied my save files. But the solution that I found was deleting the autosaves the game created. brought be back to the main menu and I could load my newest save file which was slightly behind my actual progress. Btw I didn't turn off the quick menu in preferences, it just happend while I was normally clicking. Hopefully I could help some people and you who might have the same problem.

With kind Regards
 
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Well after the last few episode of Rick and Morty I guess we all can guess what's might get added to the game down the road. Although haven't seen a Gravity Falls easter egg yet.
Well with one last chuckle for the road if the Dev reads this, I know if you cant write you have writers block, but what happens when you cant draw dicks?.......Cock blocked?
 
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I'm looking for some feedback about a minor aspect of the next version, and I'd really like to hear what people think. There are many parts of the project that have (understandably) caused confusion, and one of those things is the version number. Currently the Ren'py game is on r3.0 (and the next version would be r4.0), while the Unity version is 3.2 (and it's next version would most likely be 3.3).

So the question is, should I switch to match version numbers? (i.e. the next Ren'py version would be r3.3 to match the Unity 3.3). If I'm gonna do so, now would be the time before I tick the main digit higher up.

Is that more confusing? Less confusing? Doesn't matter at all? Let me know your thoughts!

Also Android users! I'd like to improve your play experience if I can! If you're on the android platform and have issues of any kind with game interaction, let me know! I don't play on android and my testing there is very minimal.
 

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I'm looking for some feedback about a minor aspect of the next version, and I'd really like to hear what people think. There are many parts of the project that have (understandably) caused confusion, and one of those things is the version number. Currently the Ren'py game is on r3.0 (and the next version would be r4.0), while the Unity version is 3.2 (and it's next version would most likely be 3.3).

So the question is, should I switch to match version numbers? (i.e. the next Ren'py version would be r3.3 to match the Unity 3.3). If I'm gonna do so, now would be the time before I tick the main digit higher up.

Is that more confusing? Less confusing? Doesn't matter at all? Let me know your thoughts!

Also Android users! I'd like to improve your play experience if I can! If you're on the android platform and have issues of any kind with game interaction, let me know! I don't play on android and my testing there is very minimal.
I think it would be a fine idea to match the unity game version.
 

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So the question is, should I switch to match version numbers? (i.e. the next Ren'py version would be r3.3 to match the Unity 3.3). If I'm gonna do so, now would be the time before I tick the main digit higher up.
+1 for matching version numbers with Ferdafs, since ostensibly the content matches. Be an easy way to say "oh, this scene I'm interested in got added to AWBH in version 3.5, so I just have to wait for/download AWH r3.5 to get that scene"
 

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First is the easiest: nothing. I fix bugs and typos, implement new scenes when they come out, and maybe add some minor options/changes to those new scenes. Effectively, I just work on the game for like a week every two months. Not very exciting, but also way less time consuming.
Good god man. That is one giant wall of text. I got through it all but it was touch and go for a bit there.

Option one seems like the best for a large number of reasons. Just from a practical standpoint trying to sort out continuity issues would be a nightmare as time goes on.

I for one really like your writing. Admittedly a lot of that is because we share the same kinks it looks like (incest, impreg/risky sex).

If nothing else this project gives you an idea if you want to do your own project down the road. You're not an artist but DAZ is always an option.
 
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Good god man. That is one giant wall of text. I got through it all but it was touch and go for a bit there.

Option one seems like the best for a large number of reasons. Just from a practical standpoint trying to sort out continuity issues would be a nightmare as time goes on.

I for one really like your writing. Admittedly a lot of that is because we share the same kinks it looks like (incest, impreg/risky sex).

If nothing else this project gives you an idea if you want to do your own project down the road. You're not an artist but DAZ is always an option.
Yeah, I guess I could have made it shorter, but then I thought, eh, no one's gonna read it anyhow...

And yes, option one (do nothing more than add Ferdafs new stuff) is what I'm most likely going with for all the reasons in the big'ol wall of text. Not as motivating, but also the best I can do. :/

As for using DAZ for another project... Well, I have played around with it a bit, and it's a maybe. I'm not a big fan of 3D stuff. It can be good, but it makes all those games feel the same. For the time being, I'm going to wrap up what will most likely be the last round of edits on this game. And after next release figure out how I want to proceed.
 

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I don't have the android SDK stuff installed so I wasn't planning on it. But I'll take a look and see if I can make it happen.

Edit: Nope, I spent most of the day trying to get it to build to Android but sadly it fails with an error message that tells me nothing about what's wrong. So at the moment, sadly no android version.

Edit 2: BAM! Got it to work, it only took all day and I had to jump through some hoops but android versions posted!
Do you have a discord?
 

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Can you add me on discord? I want to ask some questions and discuss some things if that's alright. My tag is Evasion#2802
I know it's slower than voice, but I'll be happy to answer any questions you have here or in DM. I'm not really comfortable talking to people in voice coms that I don't know, sorry :(
 
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I know it's slower than voice, but I'll be happy to answer any questions you have here or in DM. I'm not really comfortable talking to people in voice coms that I don't know, sorry :(
Oh I don't mean like vocally ask the questions, just typing it out if that's alright. But again, as a dev you probably have a million requests, so it's fine with me if you can't add.
 

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Oh I don't mean like vocally ask the questions, just typing it out if that's alright. But again, as a dev you probably have a million requests, so it's fine with me if you can't add.
That is sort of what this thread is for, asking questions. Is there are reason you don't want to ask here? Am I missing something?

If you don't want to ask publicly you can DM me via F95Zone and I'll be happy to answer there instead.

If it's specifically a content request, I suggest giving this a read first: Request List
 

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That is sort of what this thread is for, asking questions. Is there are reason you don't want to ask here? Am I missing something?

If you don't want to ask publicly you can DM me via F95Zone and I'll be happy to answer there instead.

If it's specifically a content request, I suggest giving this a read first: Request List
How do I private message on this site?
 
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