VN Ren'Py Ripples [v0.8.0 Public] [Jestur]

[Ebonheart (FR)]

I played last version without I-patch and can confirm that Tiffany and Jenny are still sisters without the patch.

Thank you, I wasn't so sure about this detail, and with everything that's going on right now with Steam and the like, I had doubts that it was still the case. ^^

 

[Elhemeer]

Did the iPatch ever change anything except the MC's biological relationships with Tiffany and Jessica (and by extension Jenny)

 

[e6mill]

Did the iPatch ever change anything except the MC's biological relationships with Tiffany and Jessica (and by extension Jenny)

I mean since the only iPatch nowadays is the multi-mod I'm guessing so...?

 

[Discrepancy]

Did the iPatch ever change anything except the MC's biological relationships with Tiffany and Jessica (and by extension Jenny)

I think it changes a bit of dialogue, for example when the MC is showing Tiffany pics to Jenny he says something like seeing Tiffany as a mother, I assume that's a bit changed and now I'm curious, how Jenny reacted when she found out she fucked her nephew?
Because without the patch the shock is just she fucked a guy form the future

 

[Derek in a Bush]

I might be blind but where is the multi mod without the I patch?

 

[Discrepancy]

I might be blind but where is the multi mod without the I patch?

There's the main(incest) and the vanilla.
I played without any mod though, so I assume the vanilla one just leave everything as normal, just implement the other mod functions (walkthrough?)

 

[Elhemeer]

I think it changes a bit of dialogue, for example when the MC is showing Tiffany pics to Jenny he says something like seeing Tiffany as a mother, I assume that's a bit changed and now I'm curious, how Jenny reacted when she found out she fucked her nephew?
Because without the patch the shock is just she fucked a guy form the future

Well, that's still dialogue based on him being her nephew vs just living with Tiffany, so I guess I intended to infer that the dialogue would reflect that he was actually related rather than just a houseguest.

 

[Elhemeer]

I might be blind but where is the multi mod without the I patch?

There's the main(incest) and the vanilla.
I played without any mod though, so I assume the vanilla one just leave everything as normal, just implement the other mod functions (walkthrough?)

Just to clarify, the multi mod button in the OP takes you to Lightmanp's mod thread, which has two versions of the mod, one the "regular" mod, and one the "vanilla" mod (has a "v" at the end of the file name). The vanilla mod is without the iPatch.

Also, there was some issue with the posting of the original mod to the home page, so it got a warning attached to it, but there's no indication of there being any virus in the files, and if you download from the linked hosts instead of the attached files you don't have to worry about that.

 

[Ebonheart (FR)]

I think it changes a bit of dialogue, for example when the MC is showing Tiffany pics to Jenny he says something like seeing Tiffany as a mother, I assume that's a bit changed and now I'm curious, how Jenny reacted when she found out she fucked her nephew?
Because without the patch the shock is just she fucked a guy form the future

As you can see, it's much less innocent here! Small detail: Jenny learns that MC is her 'nephew' during their chat in the forest. Later, although this situation feels a bit odd at first, she quickly adjusts and even finds that taboo side of things quite exciting.

 

[KodomoXL]

Um new here just planning to play this game for the first time. Just want to know is incest patch is the thing that dev made it but for avoid censorship form platform, so they make it as "anonymous" modder make a I patch for game or is it just someone else made a patch to it and not relate to dev in anyway. I just want to play a game as a way dev intend to play.

 

[Discrepancy]

Um new here just planning to play this game for the first time. Just want to know is incest patch is the thing that dev made it but for avoid censorship form platform, so they make it as "anonymous" modder make a I patch for game or is it just someone else made a patch to it and not relate to dev in anyway. I just want to play a game as a way dev intend to play.

It was the creator plan at the beginning to be incest, but now... who knows, what I can tell you is that the non-incest version is very well written even if it was not the initial plan, for example the mother figure is a MC dad's friend that took care of him when dad died, so nothing of the "landlady" nonsense.
So if you like the kink go with incest, if it is indifferent to you I would recommend non-incest.

 

[Ebonheart (FR)]

Um new here just planning to play this game for the first time. Just want to know is incest patch is the thing that dev made it but for avoid censorship form platform, so they make it as "anonymous" modder make a I patch for game or is it just someone else made a patch to it and not relate to dev in anyway. I just want to play a game as a way dev intend to play.

It was the creator plan at the beginning to be incest, but now... who knows, what I can tell you is that the non-incest version is very well written even if it was not the inicial plan, for example the mother figure is a MC dad's friend that took care of him when dad died, so nothing of the "landlady" nonsense.
So if you like the kink go with incest, if it is indifferent to you I would recommend non-incest.

There are still a few subtle references here and there in the game that hint at the original plans, but it’s not much anymore. Some scenes might still suggest this kind of interpretation, depending on how they’re written, which can remind you of the script's original intent, but it's barely noticeable. In any case, both versions of the game can be enjoyed based on personal preference; either one is just as good, and this choice isn’t really that important.

Personally, I use I-patch and multimod together because I quite like this kink, or more generally, since it doesn’t bother me either. I also prefer to play in a purist way, sticking to the script’s original intentions.

 

[KodomoXL]

It was the creator plan at the beginning to be incest, but now... who knows, what I can tell you is that the non-incest version is very well written even if it was not the initial plan, for example the mother figure is a MC dad's friend that took care of him when dad died, so nothing of the "landlady" nonsense.
So if you like the kink go with incest, if it is indifferent to you I would recommend non-incest.

Yeah, thankyou what turn me off the most in game like these when they want to go full incest but just to avoid censorship they add, tutor, landlord, landlady stuff

 

[pitao]

What I mainly find problematic in your theory is the age issue between some characters, there are too many inconsistencies. It's difficult to believe Jenny could be as old as Jackie in 2019 without a solid explanation grounded in concrete details from the game. Without that, this theory seems unlikely, even if it’s an interesting one.

There’s also a problem with the timeline. Jenny is supposed to have a daughter before disappearing within ten years after 1999, yet Gabby, Jackie’s real daughter and Darci’s mother, is already present in 1999. This creates a contradiction. The idea that Jenny would take on a new identity, live a different life, and age unnaturally fast doesn’t hold up either, especially since Gabby appears to be roughly the same age as other characters from that period.

The Jackie age is easier to explain and I already did the math before and it is a big coincidence how her age exactly matches in 2019 in this theory and is the main thing that makes me believe on it with a probability of maybe 75%, the Jenny/Jackie daughter Gabby is harder to explain and have as many holes as a swiss cheese still but Jenny also could have travelled with her daughter 20 years to the past, Jenny had time to prepare what to do because she has a roughly knowledge of the events with the power plant incident in 2009 because he told her in this last episode.

Yep, if we would believe in that theory then in 1989 Jenny started a "new life" as Jackie and then she got until 2019 in that particular timeline (that coexisted with the "original" Jenny from when she was 11 year old until the power plant accident in 2009). Jackie in 2019 is 61 years old.

If we "draw" the Jenny timeline in that theory it would be something like this:

Born 1978 -----» 1999 meets MC (21 yo) -----» 2009 power plant accident (31 yo) and back to 1989 -----» and 30 years later in 2019 she would be 61 yo.

The main issue of that theory is where her daughter would fit in it, I think Gabby is still one of the most important key to some mysteries and we still got very few about her, still a very mysterious character in the MC (and ours) point of view.

Basically Jenny and Jackie co-exist in 1999 but yeah there is still too many events to explain to enforce this theory, that still is a speculation theory but a neat one to think about.

 

[Rehwyn]

I’m struggling to understand why you’re quoting me, as I’ve never supported or even mentioned this theory.

I quoted you because you were one of the people talking about Jenny's status and if telling her about time travel in 1999 changed anything about her "death", and my theory was explaining that I don't think she's even actually dead or that telling her would significantly change where/when she is yet.

What I mainly find problematic in your theory is the age issue between some characters, there are too many inconsistencies. It's difficult to believe Jenny could be as old as Jackie in 2019 without a solid explanation grounded in concrete details from the game. Without that, this theory seems unlikely, even if it’s an interesting one.

There’s also a problem with the timeline. Jenny is supposed to have a daughter before disappearing within ten years after 1999, yet Gabby, Jackie’s real daughter and Darci’s mother, is already present in 1999. This creates a contradiction. The idea that Jenny would take on a new identity, live a different life, and age unnaturally fast doesn’t hold up either, especially since Gabby appears to be roughly the same age as other characters from that period.

Clearly, Jenny couldn’t be her mother. Darci and MC even briefly meet Gabby when they rescue her from the lab at the power plant, where experiments were being done on her.

As for the timeline and ages, I already mentioned how time travel explains it just fine, as pitao further explains.

If we "draw" the Jenny timeline in that theory it would be something like this:

Born 1978 -----» 1999 meets MC (21 yo) -----» 2009 power plant accident (31 yo) and back to 1989 -----» and 30 years later in 2019 she would be 61 yo.

As for Gabby, if my speculation is correct and she also time traveled from 2009 back to 1989 around the time of the power plant incident (remember, she goes missing shortly after the accident and is never found), her timeline would look something like this:

Born ~2000-2001 to Jenny (original timeline) -> 2009 Power Plant accident and back to 1989 (~8-9 years old) -> 1999 Abducted, missing, and rescued (~18-19 years old) -> 2001 Gabby gives birth to Darci (~20-21 years old) -> 2019 Present time (~38-39 years old)

So the timeline for her works fine too if we assume an un-intended time jump back from 2009 to 1989 related to the power plant accident.

Both Jenny and Gabby would have existed twice in the same timeline for a decade or two, but we've seen nothing to indicate that isn't possible (it's strongly speculated that the scarred guy is a version of MC and Darci has met an older version of herself, for example).

If Jenny were still alive, all we know is that she and her daughter are missing. Moreover, the theory that Jenny is pretending to be Jackie raises more questions. Why assume a new identity while leading a normal life without taking any precautions?

Why sever ties with Tiffany, especially given how close they are? Tiffany and Jenny are also sisters. That said, I’m playing with the multi-mod version that includes the I-patch, so details may vary depending on the version.

For the same reasons that anyone would need to assume a new identity if they were stuck 20 years in the past, mainly. Many of their friends wouldn't know who they were back in 1989, so they couldn't really go to them for help. And if they had reasons for letting events proceed in such a way that her first meeting with MC and other events were undisturbed, they may not even go to their family either. Getting in touch with a child Tiffany back in 1989 for example would also mean likely meeting Jenny's child self, and if she knew she had to meet MC in 1999 without any outside influence, she might have avoided that. So it might very well be that her preparations specifically included setting herself up to have a new identity in a position where she could discretely watch over everything to make sure it goes as it should.

For all we know, now that MC has told Jenny about time travel in 1999, Jackie in 1999 might know that she can now make contact with Jenny without disrupting things, and might explain to her younger self why she still needs to go to the power plant and what happens, etc. That's speculation of course, but nothing would directly contradict something like this.

And finally, how does your theory explain the age gap between Jenny in 1999 and Jackie in 2019? Jackie seems much older than Jenny should be at that point.

The timeline pitao explained in further detail covers that.

On another note, I don’t see the point of using a time machine for something like this. It’s a huge risk, tampering with time and facing unpredictable consequences, all for a goal that seems unjustified. Additionally, this masked man suggested that making such radical changes is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, because time tends to restore itself to its original course, allowing only minor deviations.

I'm not proposing that she intentionally went back from 2009 to 1989 in the "original" timeline, but that it was an un-intended time-travel related to the accident. And it might very well be that the accident and her going back to 1989 is one if the events that is hard to change, so even knowing about it she might resign herself to it happening, particularly if it's revealed that things have to happen like this to avoid an even larger catastrophe.

To answer your question, I don’t think Tiffany ever reveals the name of Jenny’s daughter. As far as I remember, it’s never mentioned. We only know that both disappeared, and that chapter of Tiffany’s life remains painful for her, even years later.

I'll have to ask River where he got that name from, since he was the one that mentioned that in Discord.

In the end, while some elements in the game don’t completely rule out this theory, it’s hard to accept without a clearer explanation. We’ll likely need more details revealed later to make it more credible.

There's definitely unknowns still (namely, further details regarding Jackie's motives), but I think there's a lot fewer contradictions than it might seem at first glance once you do the age math.

 

[pitao]

Both Jenny and Gabby would have existed twice in the same timeline for a decade or two, but we've seen nothing to indicate that isn't possible (it's strongly speculated that the scarred guy is a version of MC, for example).

Yep and "future" Ninja Darci is also jumping around in timelines where "original" past Darci is around also, we saw her in the school in 2019 and she revealed herself to the MC and the 2019 Darci when saving Gabby in 1999. So we know it is possible.

Edit: Guess it was better to add some inline spoilers lol Not that we don't get a lot of hints even before but still better to hide a major spoiler.

 

[dolfe67]

Yeah Jackie being Jenny is very solid. And we can have both of the "same" character at the same time, an example is Darci (and probably the MC himself)

 

[pitao]

I'm not proposing that she intentionally went back from 2009 to 1989 in the "original" timeline, but that it was an un-intended time-travel related to the accident. And it might very well be that the accident and her going back to 1989 is one if the events that is hard to change, so even knowing about it she might resign herself to it happening, particularly if it's revealed that things have to happen like this to avoid an even larger catastrophe.

What if I highly speculate about the theory that Jenny/Jackie is behind (not alone of course) the invention of the machine and "discovery" of time travel. After all she is kind of a nerd and smart, it is a bit far fetched but I could see it happen, and she is the main brain around time travel. Well at least is fun to think about even if absurd and got that thoughts once the MC told the truth to Jenny hehe I really like Jenny and Jackie.

 

[Rehwyn]

What if I highly speculate about the theory that Jenny/Jackie is behind (not alone of course) the invention of the machine and "discovery" of time travel. After all she is kind of a nerd and smart, it is a bit far fetched but I could see it happen, and she is the main brain around time travel. Well at least is fun to think about even if absurd hehe I really like Jenny and Jackie.

Certainly an interesting idea, and could explain some of her motives for sure. I'm very curious to see what happens next time we get back to 2019, because I suspect that after some "key" events happen, Jackie might be able to reveal stuff to MC that she couldn't earlier without disrupting the timeline.

Edit: Another thought, but now that 1999 Jenny knows time travel is possible, she might be extra interested and motivated to research it.

 

[pitao]

Certainly an interesting idea, and could explain some of her motives for sure. I'm very curious to see what happens next time we get back to 2019, because I suspect that after some "key" events happen, Jackie might be able to reveal stuff to MC that she couldn't earlier without disrupting the timeline.

Edit: Another thought, but now that 1999 Jenny knows time travel is possible, she might be extra interested and motivated to research it.

The truth reveal to Jenny in 1999 is one of some major plot devices in the story and that enable other events for sure, but like in all time travel stories there is the "what appeared first, the egg or the chicken?" paradox that always will bring inconsistencies if someone overanalyze it but it is also the main (flawed) reason I love time travel stories so much.

There is so many clues planted by Jestur in between the lines/dialogue and in the renders that I feel like repeating this game over and over to get them all. If weren't the so many games I follow and only existed Ripples around I would repeat it over and over again.

Already did like 4-5 refresh plays from the start since I first played it 2 and half years ago and I'll bet I'll do more when have time available and less games on queue to play . Right now feeling the urge to do it hehe but can't.