VN Ren'Py Royal Switch [v0.11] [DeepBauhaus]

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Hmm on different note:

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I feel like blocking the player from choosing that Esther on timid track isn't yet ready to jump on a cock of a guy she met for the first time literally few hours earlier, merely because her inhibition isn't sky-high, is a bad call here, in terms of agency and role-playing. It should be rather the other way around: the "Not Quite" option to always be enabled, and the "Absolutely!" to become enabled if her inhibition is low enough for Esther to go with the flow and allow it.

edit: also, for some reason the timid track skips the gs_construction_start sequence? It doesn't make much sense and prevents the player from getting closer with Tre'Vohr and/or Jules, plus miss out on what's simple, neutral content.

edit2: also also, choosing "Absolutely!" in the mentioned sequence produces a crash:
Code: 
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/scripts/chapter_03/ch03_act07/script_es9.rpy", line 317, in script
    $ first_time.grant()
  File "game/scripts/chapter_03/ch03_act07/script_es9.rpy", line 317, in <module>
    $ first_time.grant()
NameError: name 'first_time' is not defined
 
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ffive said:
Hmm on different note:

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I feel like blocking the player from choosing that Esther on timid track isn't yet ready to jump on a cock of a guy she met for the first time literally few hours earlier, merely because her inhibition isn't sky-high, is a bad call here, in terms of agency and role-playing. It should be rather the other way around: the "Not Quite" option to always be enabled, and the "Absolutely!" to become enabled if her inhibition is low enough for Esther to go with the flow and allow it.
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I just ctrl-skipped through to confirm an impression and the only way to get the required inhibition to unlock the "Not quite..." option seems to be if Esther refuses absolutely everything she encounters. If she steps back from everything and does as Titus says in court she can keep her inhibition as high as 45, I think. The option currently requires inhibition above 42.

(On my playthrough, where Esther isn't scared to speak in public or beholden to Titus, but rejects Will's creepery as far as possible, she's sitting at 40.)

Reversing the requirements so the top option required inhibition below something fairly easily attainable (40-ish?) seems like it would make more sense.

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edit: also, for some reason the timid track skips the gs_construction_start sequence? It doesn't make much sense and prevents the player from getting closer with Tre'Vohr and/or Jules, plus miss out on what's simple, neutral content.
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Yeah, I wondered if there was a reason we skipped past that section. Didn't seem like anything path-specific at a glance (but admittedly I didn't read it closely or see the renders so maybe I missed something).
 
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Yeah, I wondered if there was a reason we skipped past that section. Didn't seem like anything path-specific at a glance (but admittedly I didn't read it closely or see the renders so maybe I missed something).
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As far as i can tell (and i've been paying attention given this weird exclusion) there's nothing in the scene and/or the renders that couldn't be included in the timid track. The next sequence (cass_saturna) has a minor text variation where Esther on timid track will express regret she "couldn't be there" with others, so this is apparently intentional, but for the life of me i can't figure out the purpose of such pathing variation. It makes timid track really short in this act, with skipping three major sequences (jonquil makeover, construction and anal play)

The game doesn't follow some strict calendar, so it'd be easy for the timid track to play dinner-construction_start (on the next day)-saturna (on yet next day) vs training-jonquil-construction_start-anal_play-saturna (on next day) on the fast track.
 
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Reversing the requirements so the top option required inhibition below something fairly easily attainable (40-ish?) seems like it would make more sense.
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Getting back to this for a moment, i feel like this plot beat could use some reconsideration in general -- for Esther on timid track, this is seemingly start of plot arc where she gets opportunity to spy on Titus and find out about his wrongdoings. This would be like, a perfect excuse for timid Esther, instructed/ordered by her trainers, to push herself out of her comfort zone and try to get Titus's nephew (a potential source of info) interested in her with increasingly employed "feminine wiles" she's expected to use as a spy.

But what we get is basically jumping the gun and blowing all that potential tension/struggle right at the start. I mean, they already went as far as fucked, so there's now pretty much nothing for Esther to get still inhibited about, while trying to pursue the guy. Or to tease/lure the guy with for this matter -- he's instead already trying to extricate himself from her in the morning after, since he got all he wanted from her.

I can only guess the game has something different planned with the setup we got instead.
 
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Getting back to this for a moment, i feel like this plot beat could use some reconsideration in general -- for Esther on timid track, this is seemingly start of plot arc where she gets opportunity to spy on Titus and find out about his wrongdoings. This would be like, a perfect excuse for timid Esther, instructed/ordered by her trainers, to push herself out of her comfort zone and try to get Titus's nephew (a potential source of info) interested in her with increasingly employed "feminine wiles" she's expected to use as a spy.

But what we get is basically jumping the gun and blowing all that potential tension/struggle right at the start. I mean, they already went as far as fucked, so there's now pretty much nothing for Esther to get still inhibited about, while trying to pursue the guy. Or to tease/lure the guy with for this matter -- he's instead already trying to extricate himself from her in the morning after, since he got all he wanted from her.

I can only guess the game has something different planned with the setup we got instead.
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Yeah, I don't know where the dev sees this path going, given its beginnings. What you describe could be an option, but if so it's off to an odd start: It seems more like the complete opposite, Tristan manipulating Esther, who jumps on his dick at the first opportunity.

But I suppose it's also a matter of perspective and how you read situations: The game describes this as Esther's "timid" path whereas I consider it her brave path, where she has the backbone to think for herself and reject at least some of Will and Jonquil's bullshit.
 
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gregers said:
But I suppose it's also a matter of perspective and how you read situations: The game descibes this as Esther's "timid" path whereas I consider it her brave path, where she has the backbone to think for herself and reject at least some of Will and Jonquil's bullshit.
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I refer to that path as timid mostly based on the "inhibition" variable. That is, i interpret it as Esther being more reluctant to put herself "out there" and engage in activities her mother has taught her to avoid. But you certainly have a point that it's like, the opposite of timid in terms of being willing to put her foot down and tell pushy creepy people "no, fuck off".

Incidentally, it's also pretty funny that the "brave" Esther on fast track is at most giving her sex instructor she's known for weeks at this point a blowjob, while supposedly "timid" Esther just out of a blue goes and bangs a guy she's known for couple hours.
 
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ffive said:
Incidentally, it's also pretty funny that the "brave" Esther on fast track is at most giving her sex instructor she's known for weeks at this point a blowjob, while supposedly "timid" Esther just out of a blue goes and bangs a guy she's known for couple hours.
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I would have liked more player choice in the matter, but at least appreciate that "timid" Esther fucks a guy out of the blue because she decides she wants to, rather than just "bravely" doing what she's told.
 
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I missed this response earlier, but think it should be noted that what Jonquil and Bruno are doing is specifically high treason, which is the sort of thing that used to get people drawn and quartered. Those of Bruno's gang who can reasonably claim not to be aware of Brigitte's identity might get away with a clean hanging.

Wen'Deh might yet redeem herself in a future chapter I suppose, but for now all she has to fall back on is the Nürnberg defense, which hasn't been uniformly successful historically.

Of course this is a fantasy world, and it's up to you to decide if you want to make it less violent than the real world. That's fine if so, not every story needs to wallow in blood, but it's not the impression I get from how ubiquitous war and death (and the trauma they cause) have been thematically in the story so far.



On an entirely different note, I'll admit that I lost it a bit at "Ke'Vihn". The Elvish names are generally very silly, but fair play, that one did get me.
 
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I wanted to ask about the stats, in regards to Brigitte's paths. With this new update including some fixes to the bratty path I wanted to re-run through things to make sure I was doing it the way I wanted. See, I know this is a corruption/training game, but I really dislike Bruno. Any desire to see lewds with Brigitte are massively outweighed by the need to disrupt his plans and deny him any success. But I'm not sure if I want to go bratty or outright resistance. When given the choice to clean her room or not, if you just refuse then all that happens is Energy gets -1, but if you go bratty then Obedience gets -1. Now, I read that the energy stuff is deprecated (for now at least) and probably wasn't removed in the resist side when he fixed the bratty side so we can probably ignore that. I'm just unsure why Bratty gets Obedience -1 and Resist doesn't. And I don't know what these stats are gonna be used for.

(On that note I was worried about the DP counter being incremented because of Bruno's dream, thinking that maybe that might be included in calculations about how well she resists or something, so I backtracked to un-see the dream so it wouldn't be counted. Might want to clarify on the stats page the difference between attributes that affect things and just plain counters.)

This isn't my first corruption game so I'm a little confused why I'm having issues playing the Brigitte side. Bruno just squicks me out so much. When he interrupts the bdsm session I safeworded at the first opportunity. I was getting annoyed with some things that happened but I think it was due to the bratty path bug so I'm doing this replay to see if it turns out better.
 
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Quick bug report: I'm looking at the stats screen before each choice and then after. I'm on the bratty path, when asked to feed Bruno dinner by hand in the bar clothes, "accept" is greyed out. BUT if you look at the stats screen while on the choice screen, when you hit "Finished", "Accept" gets executed even though you can't select it. If someone does that by accident and not realize it during important choices, it might screw up the storyline in some way and be hard to figure out why.
 
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When I saw this game my first impression made me think this will be a game where a pompous brat princess ends up being tamed by some guy's magic cock on the streets while the weak willed peasant would get ravished when the court suddenly finds the princess to be a push over and gets made into a slut. That image I had in my head was really hot and then the game was none of that.
 
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