rpdl.net discussion & questions (torrents)

[redknight00]

The public links also sent people to our site my dude, where do you think the torrents were downloaded from?

Yes, and that was okay while your site was within the rules.

I feel like there's a disconnect here so maybe the above helps see things from our point of view.

I understand it's what you think is best for your service, but it is what it is, we have killed many hosts or caused them to become private over the years, this is just one more to the pile.

I'm not a moderator, that's on you. These are your rules after all - I'm just pointing out how they're enforced.

We delete them as they get reported, as was your case.

You must be mistaken, I said we had usernames because yes, that's how people make accounts?
Why is this a surprise to you or why does it "cause issues" in the slightest?

It's not a surprise, it's just outside the rules.

Unfortunately for you I don't think the rules make special exceptions just because one is easier than the other.

No, but it means Nopy links will only be replaced gradually over the years rather than at once, as is already happening.

okay that at least answers some stuff. but then you are in an even bigger need for a good reliable host. we can help there, but coorporation is needed here. look, all we want is to give f95 users a download-portal that is secure and fast, a service they can trust and a service where they can also contribute by seeding if they wanna. we have the platform ready, we are ready to talk about things like log-ins and whatnot. we even offer you to be part in our team so you can always supervise whats going on the background. the ball is on your side now.

i know a thing or two. there are people in favor, but a big chunk is blocking the coorporation. i dont mind if its also a neutral server, vc, dm, everything is fine. but that ticket shit is dragging like hell, lets be honest here.

and ofc. if you wanna go on with your current hosts, sure. your choice at the end, we will do our own thing then. just sucks that you are so stubborn about some teamwork that could benefit everyone. the pervy community shouldnt split, they should work together.

You're overthinking things, this isn't some big conference, if you want to talk with someone just talk, the tickets have been going well unless rpdl asked for someone who is not available.

Also, you make a big mistake here: the ball is never on our side unless the ball is ours, we don't supervise outsiders or work to make sure they are not doing anything shady, we judge and give it a yes/no and add or not to the list.

Last time I checked f95 used a dummy paypal account to recieve the donations, so I don't think that would be an issue.
Which can be one of the reasons donations aren't open all the time aswell.

The same was for Nopy, this the payment service just said from one day to another "nope" and everything has started going to hell. This can easy be compared with a game on steam that got a DCMA strike, the game is unliste instant and nore money income.

It would be the same in the sense that we will make sure it doesn't affect the site, but yes, f95, nopy, all russian devs, and most porn devs, in general, get screwed over regularly by payment processors, so the options we are looking into are outside of that.

 

[RPDL]

I feel like we've run this into the ground a bit, I've said everything we've needed to say and honestly, I'm a bit relieved to have it in the open because this stuff gives me a headache.

With everything said, I consider the staffs stance unreasonable and this is what I'm hoping to change. Shitty filehosts are a dime-a-dozen and (IMO) we're offering you a perfect solution - it's simply up to you guys to accept it. Whether that results in an exemption for our site or an amendment to this hidden-rule, we'll see how it plays out I guess.

In the meantime redknight00 I'd appreciate it if you could look into the user(s) who received infractions for linking to it, or some kind of solution while we wait.

Thanks for your time too, I wish other moderators could take a few minutes to partake but seems like you've been left high and dry.

 

[redknight00]

for you, cause you can just let it sit for however long ya wanna. meanwhile we need to plan ahead. stuff like that could be discussed in a day or two...

and yeah yeah, no time here, not enough people there. i got it already.

We already discussed it months ago and decided against it, what you are waiting for is an appeal to the sysadmin, there is nothing to discussed unless you have doubts or want to talk about something else.

I feel like we've run this into the ground a bit, I've said everything we've needed to say and honestly, I'm a bit relieved to have it in the open because this stuff gives me a headache.

With everything said, I consider the staffs stance unreasonable and this is what I'm hoping to change. Shitty filehosts are a dime-a-dozen and (IMO) we're offering you a perfect solution - it's simply up to you guys to accept it. Whether that results in an exemption for our site or an amendment to this hidden-rule, we'll see how it plays out I guess.

In the meantime redknight00 I'd appreciate it if you could look into the user(s) who received infractions for linking to it, or some kind of solution while we wait.

Thanks for your time too, I wish other moderators could take a few minutes to partake but seems like you've been left high and dry.

"Users who received infractions" doesn't narrow it down at all.

As for other staff, you won't ever see more than one dealing with the same shit unless we are ganging up and insulting some cunt's small pp.

 

[Daxter250]

We already discussed it months ago and decided against it, what you are waiting for is an appeal to the sysadmin, there is nothing to discussed unless you have doubts or want to talk about something else.

you decide against things we literally said we would discuss with you. but whatever.

"hey, ya wanna have a free donut?"
"sure, but only vanilla flavor"
"got none here but in our warehouse, if you come by..."
"nah, fuck you guys"
"but we got it there..."
"no, fuck off"

thats literally what im hearing.

we got everything ready, we would love to talk over the things you wanna have changed, but you deny it outright and feed us off with fucking tickets. have it your way then.

 

[RPDL]

"Users who received infractions" doesn't narrow it down at all.

As for other staff, you won't ever see more than one dealing with the same shit unless we are ganging up and insulting some cunt's small pp.

Forget it, it's fine. I'll just tell people to reach out to staff when it happens, I guess that'll be easier.

 

[redknight00]

we got everything ready, we would love to talk over the things you wanna have changed, but you deny it outright and feed us off with fucking tickets. have it your way then.

We talked, and we asked for the removal of registration, which was denied, the end.

 

[RPDL]

We talked, and we asked for the removal of registration, which was denied, the end.

Hence me going above you guys so I can argue this with someone who's willing to listen

I think what you said earlier makes it abundantly clear by the way, it was never about user privacy or anything to that effect. It's about power and control. You don't want to walk back your words and appear foolish so you don't bother entertaining it. That's fine, I get it - happens to me sometimes too.

Don't forget, it's the f95zone users that miss out (while we wait for Sam that is).

 

[baloneysammich]

Edit: serious question: anyone know if a link to rpdl.net "home" in signature would be allowed? Seems like a good way to promote them until common sense prevails.

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So the registration thing is why rpdl.net links aren't allowed? I understand it's in accordance with a rule, but there's the letter of a rule and then there's the spirit. There just aren't enough facepalm memes on the internet.

Also, regarding posts being removed due to linking there... scary to think there may be users reporting such posts.

we simply cannot support a service that would require sending our users to register and give up their privacy to a third party.

If I'm understanding this correctly, the decision was ostensibly made on behalf of the users. I know this isn't a democracy, but I certainly hope it's planned to officially ask what the users think.

 

[RPDL]

So the registration thing is why rpdl.net links aren't allowed?

Fun fact, I actually never posted one single link to our private torrents. I actually opened a ticket to staff beforehand to clear it with them and when staff said no, I then went above them to the admins instead and we've been in limbo ever since. That didn't stop them deleting this comment which was part of a convo about a banned host (except it wasn't), but was undeleted a few minutes afterwards (also false).

For what it's worth too, I think it's better to not poke the bear or antagonize anyone. Staff have made it clear that they don't care to look into infractions so it's better to not put a target on your back

I still think common sense will prevail, eventually.

 

[fyl3toys]

Seems a little heated in here, but I wanted to drop by and say that I really appreciate torrents being available for a lot of these games. The rpdl site has helped out a lot when free file hosts have failed me. Especially for anything above 4 gigs....

 

[baloneysammich]

Fun fact, I actually never posted one single link to our private torrents. I actually opened a ticket to staff beforehand to clear it with them and when staff said no, I then went above them to the admins instead and we've been in limbo ever since. That didn't stop them deleting this comment which was part of a convo about a banned host (except it wasn't), but was undeleted a few minutes afterwards (also false).

For what it's worth too, I think it's better to not poke the bear or antagonize anyone. Staff have made it clear that they don't care to look into infractions so it's better to not put a target on your back

I still think common sense will prevail, eventually.

I recently got a notification that a post I made was deleted due to a link. It was a response to someone who was having trouble with links in OP. So unless a mod happened to come across my post, I assume a random user must have reported it.

Regarding the question about linking in sig, I'm hoping for official answer. As profoundly stupid as the policy may be, I'm not gonna willfully [potentially] violate it.

 

[RPDL]

Seems a little heated in here, but I wanted to drop by and say that I really appreciate torrents being available for a lot of these games. The rpdl site has helped out a lot when free file hosts have failed me. Especially for anything above 4 gigs....

Hey, happy to hear it. And yeah, you're right too - I'm annoyed. I wasn't really trying to hide it but I am choosing my words carefully too

I recently got a notification that a post I made was deleted due to a link. It was a response to someone who was having trouble with links in OP. So unless a mod happened to come across my post, I assume a random user must have reported it.

Regarding the question about linking in sig, I'm hoping for official answer. As profoundly stupid as the policy may be, I'm not gonna willfully [potentially] violate it.

For what it's worth, I've linked to our FAQ and stuff without issue, I actually sent our privacy page during this conversation but I doubt it was ever opened - no issues on my end.
Still, I'd rather you didn't. As frustrated as I am, I don't want to cause any problems/drama. When this does get resolved it'll be via the ticket and not on any public threads.

Would be pretty cool to see a vote though.

 

[redknight00]

Edit: serious question: anyone know if a link to rpdl.net "home" in signature would be allowed? Seems like a good way to promote them until common sense prevails.

So the registration thing is why rpdl.net links aren't allowed? I understand it's in accordance with a rule, but there's the letter of a rule and then there's the spirit. There just aren't enough facepalm memes on the internet.

Also, regarding posts being removed due to linking there... scary to think there may be users reporting such posts.

If I'm understanding this correctly, the decision was ostensibly made on behalf of the users. I know this isn't a democracy, but I certainly hope it's planned to officially ask what the users think.

No, see Rules 2.3, 3.3, and 3.7.

Of course users report, users report anything that is shady and out of ordinary, it's how we got to the Dropmefiles situation, one day all was good and the other they had added passwords to files.

For what it's worth too, I think it's better to not poke the bear or antagonize anyone. Staff have made it clear that they don't care to look into infractions so it's better to not put a target on your back

I still think common sense will prevail, eventually.

It would be looked into if you gave any names.

 

[baloneysammich]

No, see Rules 2.3, 3.3, and 3.7.

Of course users report, users report anything that is shady and out of ordinary, it's how we got to the Dropmefiles situation, one day all was good and the other they had added passwords to files.

I see these rules, but the numbers you mentioned don't jive. Is there another set of rules you're referring to?

Either way, it's clear that posting links to the torrents violates the rules. And I suppose I can understand why people who didn't bother to investigate could find it shady or out of the ordinary. However, I don't understand why you think the site violates users' privacy. And I'm still hoping user input will be solicited on the matter.

Or maybe something like this could be considered:
Links are allowed in game thread OP only and go to a special redirect page with a warning about your suspicions regarding privacy. It could even be a second redirect page in addition to the standard one, provided there was a way to disable it.

I understand that nothing is gonna happen until admin weighs in, I just hope the input offered here is taken into consideration when that happens.

 

[redknight00]

I see these rules, but the numbers you mentioned don't jive. Is there another set of rules you're referring to?

Either way, it's clear that posting links to the torrents violates the rules. And I suppose I can understand why people who didn't bother to investigate could find it shady or out of the ordinary. However, I don't understand why you think the site violates users' privacy. And I'm still hoping user input will be solicited on the matter.

Or maybe something like this could be considered:
Links are allowed in game thread OP only and go to a special redirect page with a warning about your suspicions regarding privacy. It could even be a second redirect page in addition to the standard one, provided there was a way to disable it.

I understand that nothing is gonna happen until admin weighs in, I just hope the input offered here is taken into consideration when that happens.

My bad, I meant 2.3, 4.3, and 4.7.

We really can't relly on users to make decisions for the site, else we would be a MEGA only site and ban all NTR games.

A warning doesn't help either, the fact that there are suspicions is enough to warrant a ban.

 

[baloneysammich]

We really can't relly on users to make decisions for the site, else we would be a MEGA only site and ban all NTR games.

C'mon now, this is nothing like the NTR madness. This is about consulting users regarding a decision ostensibly made in our interest based on unspecified suspicions.

 

[moskyx]

Is that hard to ask for some uploader positions within F95 and offer your seeds directly from the OP, with links that will only be seen by F95 users, without sending them to sign up on any other website? I don't think F95 staff's stance is that hard to understand: you're asking them to let you (a third party) either to connect your site to F95 database to share users login, or to allow you to advertise an external site for downloading pirated games your seeders first found in here. Since they can not be sure you won't change your theoretically optimal service once you get what you are asking for, thus dragging F95's reputation down with you (they would be endorsing and partnering with you, not just 'using' your service), they are just asking you to act the same way regular hosts do: letting everyone download the files uploaded there, without needing an account. If you feel busted by those other websites that use your links and want to protect your "product"... well, welcome to piracy world.

 

[redknight00]

Is that hard to ask for some uploader positions within F95 and offer your seeds directly from the OP, with links that will only be seen by F95 users, without sending them to sign up on any other website?

That's beside the point, but I can confirm that Uploader applications are always open and our standards are ridiculously low.

It goes for anyone wanting to make torrents or helping add more hosts for that matter.

 

[baloneysammich]

I don't think F95 staff's stance is that hard to understand: you're asking them to let you (a third party) either to connect your site to F95 database to share users login, or to allow you to advertise an external site for downloading pirated games your seeders first found in here. Since they can not be sure you won't change your theoretically optimal service once you get what you are asking for, thus dragging F95's reputation down with you (they would be endorsing and partnering with you, not just 'using' your service) ...

It's easy to understand. Problem is it's unreasonable.

Regarding request for connection to the F95 database: If you're talking about the SSO proposal, I think you're misconstruing it. SSO can be implemented with complete protection of user privacy (which is ostensibly the concern). And framing the situation as "allowing them to advertise" makes it seem like their intentions are purely or primarily selfish. Maybe, but personally I'd like to see some justification for such suspicion.

As for the possibility of them changing their setup after acceptance, that would be easily addressed by revoking the acceptance. Wouldn't be the first time acceptance was revoked IIUC. And I just don't see how acceptance would be construed as endorsement and/or partnership.

At the end of the day, it appears all the reasons given for not accepting them are speculative. And based on these speculations they set a policy ostensibly for our benefit. They have every right to do so of course, but it's damn arrogant if you ask me.

 

[moskyx]

It's easy to understand. Problem is it's unreasonable.

Regarding request for connection to the F95 database: If you're talking about the SSO proposal, I think you're misconstruing it. SSO can be implemented with complete protection of user privacy (which is ostensibly the concern). And framing the situation as "allowing them to advertise" makes it seem like their intentions are purely or primarily selfish. Maybe, but personally I'd like to see some justification for such suspicion.

As for the possibility of them changing their setup after acceptance, that would be easily solved by revoking the acceptance. Acceptance has been revoked before due to chicanery. And I just don't see how compromising would be construed as endorsement and/or partnership.

At the end of the day, it appears all the reasons given for not accepting them are speculative. And based on these speculations they set a policy ostensibly for our benefit. They have every right to do so of course, but it's damn arrogant if you ask me.

You're basically agreeing with me. With this torrent site, F95 has the very same risk than with any other host, so why would they be treated any different. I see it's coherent. F95 set rules for approving hosts (none of the approved hosts need login nor direct connection to F95), and this torrent site is asking F95 to bend their rules and cut them some slack because 'hey mate, we are the good ones'. Which they might be, but always from F95's pov, is it really worth the risk -and the hassle? Could this torrent site even exist without the ordinary links provided here and all the traffic/seeders they get from here? So the ones who actually need the bigger site are asking this site to modify its rules for them. What are they offering in exchange? Just providing an alternative method to traditional download links- links that work reasonably well enough for a vast majority of site users. That's not arrogance, it's a practical approach.