People like you are the reason so many western porn games are so short and without much character or flavor to them, with dialogue that basically amounts to "hey, let's fuck" and pizza delivery guy-tier setting.
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Who? Me?
Yeah, I'm sure that's the reason.
I don't mind a good story in my porn, buddy. But, like most Japanese VNs, this one doesn't cut it for me. It's just more of the same. And much like those Western games you're talking about, it gets dull after a while.
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Come on, lets respect the guy, i like story too ( its usually my favorite thing in a game, its hard for me to play a boring story ), but there are people who don´t like stories, and its fine, also people have preferences, maybe he did not like this specific story, but still like the scenes, that´s also fine, why argue over something minor like this?
I guess you are right that there's no point in fighting over preferences.
Still, a big part of any corruption porn is context, seeing how a character is in the beggining and how they change, that's why it's so weird to me that people just ignore it for this kind of game. I mean, if you don't care about the characters or narrative in your porn why not just fap to image galleries instead of going through the effort of downloading a VN?
Just curious to hear the reason, not really trying to argue which approach would be the correct.
Still, a big part of any corruption porn is context, seeing how a character is in the beggining and how they change, that's why it's so weird to me that people just ignore it for this kind of game. I mean, if you don't care about the characters or narrative in your porn why not just fap to image galleries instead of going through the effort of downloading a VN?
Just curious to hear the reason, not really trying to argue which approach would be the correct.
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I like dialogue in my H-scenes. I like the context of what is going on during them. I could fap to just the images, sure. But this is better. Also the voices. Voices are nice. Plus, with F95 it takes hardly any effort on my part to download these VNs. Hentai Gods bless this site. No more hours and days wasted searching for working links on random sites.
The rest of the story I can take it or leave it. If it's good, great. If not, as long as the H is good I'm good. The H is always my primary concern in an H-game. Everything else comes second. As long as the H is good I can deal with mediocre story or bad gameplay. I don't really need to know more about the characters other than their basic personality to enjoy watching them get corrupted.
''Oh, that girl's the bitchy, spoiled brat? Great. Can't wait to see her get put in her place. Oh, that one's the mature, strict, older woman? Gonna be lovely to see her degraded to a cock hungry whore. That one's the kind, gentle, friendly girl? Well, soon she'll be the school slut.''
H-games that have good stories, but lackluster H-scenes, are not good H-games in my opinion.
Also, too much exposition is just never good. If I have to spend two hours reading about a boring backstory before we get to the first rape scene, then you fucked up game dev. You gotta balance it. You gotta reward me for my patience. I'll give this game props for that. Gives me the first scene pretty early. And the rest aren't far behind.
I see. I agree to most of what you said.
A porn-focused game with bad porn is worthless even if it's good in other aspects.
Also when I say story I don't necessarily mean things dissociated from porn, I guess that's where our misunderstanding arose. The dialogue between characters, even during H-scenes, still counts as part of the story/script to me. In this game's case, any meaningful developement and change in the girls happen inside the H-scenes, even, so you could say they are the meat of the story, with the rest being just additional context. I agree that's the way it should be done. Way too many games have the porn added in a tacked on way that makes it dissociate of the rest of the text (often with characters acting completely different and stuff), it's really a waste.
Sorry I misunderstood you.
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Np man u uploaders do lots work as a result we get to play the cool games keep ur head up
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It's all good. I was pretty vague about my definition of ''story'' as well. We both made honest mistakes.
But I'm glad we could agree so much on this. It was a good talk.
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Then don't play never If My Heart Had Wings or Koisuru Natsu no Last Resort (if those two were already on your list), since you care only about the H-scenes firstly and those for these two titles, comes after 4 or more hours of story - and also per route are... 4 I believe? Or 3, don't remember xD
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EDIT: after further checking I'm already using japanese locale I kinda forgot I have that setting long ago but I still can't play this.
nvm fixed it.
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Well those aren't porn-focused games to begin with. They're eroge, they have the sex scenes but they aren't the focus. People who play these games want to be invested in the characters or the story (depending on what kind of game it is), the adult scenes are a nice added bonus.
Porn-focused eroge are usually called nukige and this is the kind of game Sansha Mendan or something like Taimanin Asagi is. Porn is the focus and the majority of content, even if story or characters also happen to be pretty nice.
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Woof. That sounds like a drag. Those don't sound like rape games though, so I am in no danger of playing them.
In my opinion, if you put H in your game then it's an H-game. And that aspect of it should be judged. Those two sound like bad H-games. Don't tease me with quality art and smut, but then not deliver on it, game. It's not nice. Just 4 or 3 scenes? How insulting. I would hope they each at least have several images to them. And not just one image of a chick holding his dick while the dialogue describes them doing so much more, and then one image of the cumshot. Looking at you, Eiyuu Senki.
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Bishop games are about domination. If you skip their story is because you self-insert on the girl getting raped.
Games focused on story and characters with little erotic content are probably more common than just porn games.Woof. That sounds like a drag. Those don't sound like rape games though, so I am in no danger of playing them.
In my opinion, if you put H in your game then it's an H-game. And that aspect of it should be judged. Those two sound like bad H-games. Don't tease me with quality art and smut, but then not deliver on it, game. It's not nice. Just 4 or 3 scenes? How insulting. I would hope they each at least have several images to them. And not just one image of a chick holding his dick while the dialogue describes them doing so much more, and then one image of the cumshot. Looking at you, Eiyuu Senki.
I really don't think they should be judged as the same thing, that's why they are treated as distinct genres in Japan.
Something like Fate/Stay Night for example, judging the whole work for its 5 or 6 h-scenes is just insane. It's not about porn, sex happens because there's no reason it shouldn't given its rating, and that's it.
Other games that are more about romance where you basically pick a girl's route and see a relationship develop also have the porn more as a conclusion/developement orf that relationship. Still meant to entice the player but more because he was by that point invested in the character than just by being porn.
tl;dr I don't think games that are largely about characters or a story but have 2 or 3 sex scenes should be judged the same way a game with 30+ sex scenes where the story and characters revolve around said sex scenes, and vice-versa. They're just not the same kind of game no matter how you look at it.
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Agree to disagree. If it has H then I have to judge that aspect of the game. Especially if it uses that H to attract players. And if I end up getting blueballed because the H is lackluster, then that's a detriment to the game.
That doesn't mean the game is bad, of course. But it is a bad H-game. If you have sex scenes in your game, long and detailed, and with art, then I will judge it as an H-game. 'Cause I heard you had those and I came to fap.
Fate, for example, never put a big emphasis on its H-scenes. Didn't even know it had any for years. So I never went into it expecting a good fap. But if a game is marketed as having sexual content, then I expect it to deliver on that. Personal tastes aside, of course. I will rarely, if ever, be satisfied by vanilla. Which is why I don't play more romantic VNs, so I can't judge them for their H.
Write a good story if you want, but don't let the H suffer for it.
I agree about not caring about vanilla. With a few exceptions, I don't either. I only play vanilla nukige if I really like the artstyle, and that's pretty rare given the artstyles more common in vanilla japanese porn.
But usually games that are focused on characters and story (even if it's just romance with the characters) emphasize that aspect in the marketing anyway, not the porn. Both games nam654 mentioned are like that. Even if you throw their names into google images or something the first handful of screenshots won't show any porn, just character interaction stuff. The marketing campaign for these make it clear there are h-scenes but give as much or more focus in story scenes and stuff like that. I agree if a game advertizes itself as having lots of sex and then it's two or three scenes they deserve to get shit for it, but that isn't what usually happens with Japanese eroge, they convey well how much sex there is, probably to avoid people expecting high sexual content buy their game by mistake, or vice-versa, someone who's more interested in character and Slice of Life shenanigans end up buying a game about sex.