VN RPGM Abandoned Saria Reclaimed [v0.17] [Velminth]

[ABthePerve]

I personally do mind if the game is moving backwards and i think a lot of people do.


How can you say that when we have games like Edge of Eternity made by 4 devs? Or Bright Memory made by a solo dev? It's just patreon devs that are typical lazy and milkers and they don't have any reason to speed up the process of development. Next stage will be a remake of remake.

Games like Bright Memory stand out because it is out of the ordinary for one person, an animator/artist even, to make a game like Bright Memory on their own.

I'm not here to defend Velminth, it's clear their behaviour is justifiably drawing ire, but expecting everyone to be an outstanding single person army is a bit much. Vel would've been making enough money to hire ppl to handle the parts of the game dev process they were having trouble with, and should have. On the other hand, this game seems to be more of a proper art project in their eyes, which I assume is why they didn't hand off control, and why redesigns happen often as they change their mind. (This is why proper big devs never put anything out in the alpha phase cause the game will change a lot)

Again, not excusing the bait and switch or the slow pace. But, it is their own project and expecting every dev to work at a special case pace isn't super reasonable (assuming they were full time at all, which it didn't feel like but IDK for sure). Add on that all the Saria content was freely available, not paygated behind patreon, and I think this is more a case of Hanlon's Razor.

It is also unreasonable to expect people to support a project that no longer is the game they pledged for, so I hope all those supporters pull support to show they don't like the new direction. The right thing to do by Vel is to provide refunds to some extent to their supporters, but I somehow doubt that will be happening

 

[MethuselahJones]

The right thing to do by Vel is to provide refunds to some extent to their supporters, but I somehow doubt that will be happening

That would be a step in the right direction, but like you said, it's not going to happen.

 

[halcyonpurge]

holy shit, i come back to see this is now rated lower than fucking CoC2, and is on pace to be rated lower than slop like Luna in the Tavern in a matter of days

 

[TheOnlyRockSolid]

Damn, after reading the changelog, even if the volume of work was massive for the devs, on the end user's side it pretty much boils down to "Same shit, different day."

 

[HornyJail]

Figured I'd weigh in as someone that just tried both versions of the game last night without prior expectation. The current version is *fine* , I think the cards work a lot better than the rpg system if they'd balance out difficulty but I don't understand why they couldn't keep the overworld . Like yeah I'm sure it took a lot of work but if you drop it it just feels like a cheapo run of the mill VN. It loses a lot of identity in favor of stream lining progression and I feel there could be a compromise to be made. I mean I THINK the overworld was cut due to effort and not out of new artistic vision.

 

[Ifllslonly]

Honestly, i don't mind the new revamp, but some majors things left me with doubts.

This game now is really unpolished, agree 100% and I think that he decided to publish it to also check community response... and he got it
I personally think that community overreacted.

I don't care how hard it is to make a game or what issues the developer has, all I care about is the final product. If a hospital bound death bed developer fucks up a game I will rate it the same as if a AAA dev fucks up a game. The dev's personal failings are not my concern as a consoomer.

This is why NEVER buy early-access, pre-order or do patreon stuff. Even if the build looks promising as soon as money flows they take it make retartded decisions.

You are right in general, but you can't apply this approach to porn game industry - it's way to small. I have to quote this conversation and this one again, sigh.

It's a very diffrent game to the one originally shown, but I can't yet say that it's a bad one.
Although that's probably because I didn't play enough to find out.

I think that people overreacted and game are not that bad at all - I personally like it; but dev's behavior with sudden "bait and switch" action, rudeness towards supporters, hate towards objective critique can't be justified.

What a waste of a chocolate tomboy with a 6 pack.
Just checked the files, motherfucker nuked 95% of the game CGs

He will probably readd most of it later on, but who knows.

Opposite here, i hated the game before, i like it now.

Based.

 

[testyv1]

This turned into a smelly turd of a game, whoever decided to rebuild this game this way is a complete moron.

 

[The_Thiccness]

I knew from the get-go he was biting off more than he could chew, he had some great ideas and the original direction of the game was great and he had great foundation to build on but it was just too much so he probably gave up and was like "I just wanna actually finish this game" instead of working on it for 2+ years for a real 5-star game. I just felt it lacked story elements up until the change of direction from a talent system/skill based to a card game. At that point, I knew the element of the game was gonna change and I was less drawn to it(I'm a sucker for talent/skill based games). Around the beginning I almost subscribed on Patreon but wanted to see some more content and where he was going before investing. Glad I dodged that bullet and went with another developer. I do commend him for great art and character looks/designs(probably the best I've seen personally) and will likely add it as a spank-bank game but will unlikely buy it/subscribe unless he went with original vision and game play of the original game. I hope he enjoys the game he makes but I feel its just like a VN with a couple extra steps, I'd rather just play Last Evil if i wanted a card game and get 3d animations.

 

[Hai Kazuma-desu]

I guess i can add this to the list of games that gets abandoned or dragged on, why is it the games that have the best art and writing are the ones that get fucked over? this game, Future fragments, crisis point extraction, that farming sim, and im sure im forgetting alot of them, but jesus christ is it getting sad that so many of these games that have such a high potential crash and burn, im in the wrong business i need to spend a month or 3 learning how to draw digitally and program and just not be a douche or wanna milk people and i'd be rich

Quite the case for a lot of western developers of adult games really, development either drags on for far too long, feeding crumbs of updates every x amount of time or loses the original vision of what they wanted for the project. I still don't understand how people keep financing these kinds of projects. Sunken cost fallacy? Hell, I don't even know anymore.

 

[The_Thiccness]

Quite the case for a lot of western developers of adult games really, development either drags on for far too long, feeding crumbs of updates every x amount of time or loses the original vision of what they wanted for the project. I still don't understand how people keep financing these kinds of projects. Sunken cost fallacy? Hell, I don't even know anymore.

Not sure it gets much worse than Monster Girl Island dev, Haha holy crap it was such a tease xD

 

[Iwillsurvive]

They took their mix of Karryn's Prison with a lisa overworld and changed both aspects to pseudo Library of Ruina instead.

 

[JankiesTanker]

Ever since the card system Implemented, i feel its been going to flop anytime soon but i never expected the very worse here, like "What the fuck happened here?"

 

[Vulpas]

The new style doesn't particularly bother me barring a few things that are stopping me from wanting to play at all:

1. Enemies are pretty damn spongy, fights are gruling and take a while i'd blame the enemy hp pools but also the extremely limited card budget you have also hurts, enemies can outright just decide to win.
2. There's no sexual defenses, if an enemy like Oskar decides he's in the mood, i've tried but, i can't seem to win he just has too much health and i can't do anything about the will damage.
3. The sexual progression of fetishes and what not was crystal clear in the older version, now you just have a page of basic fetishes that will probably get developed on.

 

[pisslicker132]

Was on board from the jump because I've always loved Karryn's Prison's combat system, but never fully invested in it because I hate how exaggerated her features were. Was a bit sad when combat sex was removed in favor for a Library of Ruina style game, but stuck with it because I love LoR's combat system as well, and thought that this game could benefit a bit off of it if it had just hammered out some issues. Now, the combat system (unless I'm just an idiot) is a complete incoherent mess and the game has suddenly become a visual novel and we're so far off the original concept that I don't even know what to expect anymore. Velminth really took the main draws of the game and went away with them on a whim and it's really depressing.

Side note, Velminth's art was never bad but it really has improved a lot over time, wish I had enough patience to put in the time and be as good of an artist as them.

 

[Anon2298]

I have never seen a game becoming so bad, so fast.
It was a game with multiple paths, corruption dialogues and different outcomes for events, now is just an scene viewer and there is no sense of corruptions since the game play scenes very straight forward. Is not just that now is a VN, is just that is a really bad VN, there are games of that genre on this site with corruption systems and progression, this is a tragedy and the dev doesn't seem to see what is wrong with the direction he took.

 

[LiselotteDzemael]

Yeah this is unfortunately an unsub tier update

I even paid the $25 to get my Lamia put in the game as pixel art and he did great on that, but the game as it is now lacks the battlefucking which was the entire draw of the game to me up to this point. I see no world where Velminth ever goes back to the original vision for the game, which leaves no other options for me to continue supporting.

 

[Cloud73]

I agree with the majority of people weighing in; this rework was pretty disappointing.

I would have rather seen Saria Reclaimed moved to RPGM than this.

 

[The_Thiccness]

Was on board from the jump because I've always loved Karryn's Prison's combat system, but never fully invested in it because I hate how exaggerated her features were. Was a bit sad when combat sex was removed in favor for a Library of Ruina style game, but stuck with it because I love LoR's combat system as well, and thought that this game could benefit a bit off of it if it had just hammered out some issues. Now, the combat system (unless I'm just an idiot) is a complete incoherent mess and the game has suddenly become a visual novel and we're so far off the original concept that I don't even know what to expect anymore. Velminth really took the main draws of the game and went away with them on a whim and it's really depressing.

Side note, Velminth's art was never bad but it really has improved a lot over time, wish I had enough patience to put in the time and be as good of an artist as them.

Karryn's prison has an option for smaller more proportionate breasts. I'm surprised people were so turned off by it, I'm definitely more of a proportionate/smaller breast(more athletic) kinda guy but still found her incredibly attractive and not way over the top like some games but I definitely wouldn't go any bigger than hers. That's getting into grotesquely large.

 

[LiselotteDzemael]

Karryn's prison has an option for smaller more proportionate breasts. I'm surprised people were so turned off by it, I'm definitely more of a proportionate/smaller breast(more athletic) kinda guy but still found her incredibly attractive and not way over the top like some games but I definitely wouldn't go any bigger than hers. That's getting into grotesquely large.

It's kind of wild, but Karryn's Prison is at a size I would traditionally find to be, 'hyper grotesque' sized. Something about the game just makes it work though, and part of me honestly thinks it's just tied to the weapon and build of her torso that makes it fit better than most art at a similar size.

 

[The_Thiccness]

It's kind of wild, but Karryn's Prison is at a size I would traditionally find to be, 'hyper grotesque' sized. Something about the game just makes it work though, and part of me honestly thinks it's just tied to the weapon and build of her torso that makes it fit better than most art at a similar size.

Yah they are definitely drawn in a way that is appealing.