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VN RPGM Abandoned Saria Reclaimed [v0.17] [Velminth]

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GokutheG

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I don't even think the new format is even bad, but I'm always going to prefer a more freeform, sandbox experience.
The dev really should have held the remake update because right now it feels more like a proof on concept demo. Obviously the change would be devise but if the remake had better ui,map and more chapters then I could see it being better received.
 

Sum Gi

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The dev really should have held the remake update because right now it feels more like a proof on concept demo. Obviously the change would be devise but if the remake had better ui,map and more chapters then I could see it being better received.
I think it's better they released it early because my problem with it is not the quality, but the fundamental concept and direction. I know it's the dev's project and they can do what they want, but my immediate selfish advice would be to scrap the new direction and pivot to a sandbox approach because that's where you can get the best dev time to play time ratio (and it's just more fun).

It sounds dumb, but as a developer one of your main concerns should be stretching out your content as much as possible without it becoming stale for the player. The current vn format is an extremely poor fit for this model. It might not seem so at first because it's reusing artwork that was already created, but so far it's averages one full splash art for only a minute or two of playtime. Once they've run out of pre-created artwork, development is going to slow down drastically if they continue to pursue this format, only able to extend game length by a minute or two for each artwork that probably took hours.

Unless they're some art god whose able to pump those out faster than they can code, I'd recommend choosing a different approach. Creating a sandbox environment where events can be repeated with variation or combat H could extend the playtime ratio per art piece drastically while arguably being more fun. I know scrapping something you just put a lot of effort into sucks, but that's my honest advice (not that the dev seems particularly averse to the practice).

Edit: I understand the dev's incentives might be different if they consider themselves an artist first and foremost and find that more comfortable, but it's just my two cents.
 

Seamonkey

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Why are 1 star reviews being deleted? Isn't it considered manipulation / tampering? Genuine question.
I cannot say for sure, but if I were to hazard a guess, the site does have rules and guidelines to govern reviews, it is likely that the removed ones were ones people hastily threw up to review bomb the game, so didn't actually bother making sure they adhered to site rules before posting them, which would mean they would only have to be reported to be taken down.

So if that guess is correct, it would not be manipulation or tampering.
 

Sum Gi

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Replace 'aggressive' with 'throwing a bitch fit because people are rightly pissed at them for fucking up shit up' and you're golden.
While I disagree with the direction they've taken the game, you know full well that people aren't exactly civil online. Hard to blame the author for reacting the way they did when they probably just received a tidal wave of screeching.
 

Susan Xandera

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While I disagree with the direction they've taken the game, you know full well that people aren't exactly civil online. Hard to blame the author for reacting the way they did when they probably just received a tidal wave of screeching.
What part of 'rightly pissed' did you miss? Some people are civil, others aren't, its not exactly rocket science. What difference does it make if the end result is the same? People expected one product, it had moved decently along with content, author guts all gameplay/genre to make something else altogether because they dug a hole for themselves in the mechanics department.
 

fraazx

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While I disagree with the direction they've taken the game, you know full well that people aren't exactly civil online. Hard to blame the author for reacting the way they did when they probably just received a tidal wave of screeching.
Not hard at all to blame them when they pulled a bait and switch. The least they could do is be civil but nooooooo, just throw a bitch whine and call it a day.
 

Sum Gi

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What part of 'rightly pissed' did you miss? Some people are civil, others aren't, its not exactly rocket science. What difference does it make if the end result is the same? People expected one product, it had moved decently along with content, author guts all gameplay/genre to make something else altogether because they dug a hole for themselves in the mechanics department.
Not hard at all to blame them when they pulled a bait and switch. The least they could do is be civil but nooooooo, just throw a bitch whine and call it a day.
I guess I'm just completely over the frothing rage side of internet culture. It's childish frankly. You could equally characterize the response from people online as "throwing a bitch fit." There's certainly plenty of that in this thread. It's completely possible and indeed far more effective to just logically pick apart why the new direction is a mistake. You can just look back at my comment on the previous page if you want my specific take on it. When people get so irrationally angry over trivial things it just makes me question their fortitude. Maybe save your """rightful anger""" for things that actually matter, lmao.
 
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Sum Gi

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But it's not. It's equally as ignored. Both reactions are equally as pointless, but if you can't even get pissed over something you loved, you're not living your life correctly.
You do realize we're talking about a porno game here right? This isn't the fall of Rome haha. But if you actually love something, maybe you should go with the response that will actually have the best outcome for it rather than just getting pissed. In my experience, when devs do respond to criticism, they have far better responses to calm, measured critiques that provide constructive advice, or when there's an actual monetary incentive. A wave of hate usually just makes them get defensive and shut down. If you want what's best for the game, the correct response is to politely let the dev know on patreon that this isn't the direction you want for the game and that you'll be withdrawing support if it keeps going this way. Or since realistically, none of the people here are probably patreon supporters, show your love for their past work by signing up and chucking a few bucks their way and letting them know you really liked how it used to be and you'd be happy to continue support if things went back to the direction they were. But people tend to be more interested in their own emotional catharsis than actual solutions.
 

HikkiG

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You do realize we're talking about a porno game here right? This isn't the fall of Rome haha. But if you actually love something, maybe you should go with the response that will actually have the best outcome for it rather than just getting pissed. In my experience, when devs do respond to criticism, they have far better responses to calm, measured critiques that provide constructive advice, or when there's an actual monetary incentive. A wave of hate usually just makes them get defensive and shut down. If you want what's best for the game, the correct response is to politely let the dev know on patreon that this isn't the direction you want for the game and that you'll be withdrawing support if it keeps going this way. Or since realistically, none of the people here are probably patreon supporters, show your love for their past work by signing up and chucking a few bucks their way and letting them know you really liked how it used to be and you'd be happy to continue support if things went back to the direction they were. But people tend to be more interested in their own emotional catharsis than actual solutions.
Well you'll be happy to know that people who were polite were banned off discord, had itch.io comments locked on them, and ghosted on patreon. A good portion of commenters here were very public about being supporters of his, one of them even commissioned an NPC to be added to the game, and well they too were told to go fuck themselves. Not sure how chucking money at a guy, who was already very abrasive before this controversy (if you check comments prior to version 16), is suppose to course correct.
 

LordChiruChiru

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You do realize we're talking about a porno game here right? This isn't the fall of Rome haha. But if you actually love something, maybe you should go with the response that will actually have the best outcome for it rather than just getting pissed. In my experience, when devs do respond to criticism, they have far better responses to calm, measured critiques that provide constructive advice, or when there's an actual monetary incentive. A wave of hate usually just makes them get defensive and shut down. If you want what's best for the game, the correct response is to politely let the dev know on patreon that this isn't the direction you want for the game and that you'll be withdrawing support if it keeps going this way. Or since realistically, none of the people here are probably patreon supporters, show your love for their past work by signing up and chucking a few bucks their way and letting them know you really liked how it used to be and you'd be happy to continue support if things went back to the direction they were. But people tend to be more interested in their own emotional catharsis than actual solutions.

You really haven't dealt with the dev and it shows. Can someone please show this guy the part where Vel said he doesn't care about his supporters thoughts? Bro he really doesn't give a shit, the dude went off on people in the discord for even having constructive criticism and is wielding the ban hammer for little to nothing. I get what you're saying but the sheer amount of vitriol that the dev spewed on top of admitting he doesn't care what his supporters think tells me that your advice is pretty worthless. Plenty of people have tried your approach and it resulted in bans and profanity ridden messages telling them where to go and how to get there. As well, a good amount of people in this thread were supporters including myself.
 

tseug

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I don't know about that. A bait and switch is a bait and switch. I don't blame anyone who supported him wanting to bitch some. Especially since he holds his supporters in so low regard.
The main problem with supporters is that they believe that the game is their product too, and they have the same or almost the same rights as the creator. From the creator's point of view, he thinks that with or without the supporters he would have made the same game and their support would have no effect on the final result.
 

CIover

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The main problem with supporters is that they believe that the game is their product too, and they have the same or almost the same rights as the creator. From the creator's point of view, he thinks that with or without the supporters he would have made the same game and their support would have no effect on the final result.
Think of the Supporters as investors and they are pretty much investors if you give it a big think and yes they have a say on it like A BIG SAY on it since they wouldn't have supported him if they didn't like the product and the product changed so yeah DUHHHH ofcourse they'd be mad. The supporters he has are not LOYAL to him since this is his first project after all under the name Velminth coz yeah could be someone famous for all we know but anyways the supporters he has know LOVES the product and not HIM so if he was the product then it's a different but it's not so yeah he's in the wrong here no matter where you put it and him losing supporters and his ratings tanking is on him and not on his supporters LIKE ZERO.
 
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