Unreal Engine Seed of the Dead 2: Sweet Home + Charm Song DLC [v2.09] [TeamKRAMA]

[Deleted member 4166997]

1: It's a game made by probably 5 or less people. Most H companies don't have the funding, manpower, or experience of non porn games. Inb4 somebody lists off a single non porn game made by a single dev over several years like it's the same thing or a fair comparison. That's an exception, not a rule (And also lacking in porn).

2: Any time a new major element to the game (Porn) is added, the devs have to divide up attention to that new system that would normally be spent elsewhere (Combat, story, etc).

3: Good games require all the systems involved to be balanced well. Too much or too little story, gameplay, porn, can turn people off. Porn adds another thing that needs be balanced with all the other systems.

Those things are why porn games will generally never feel the same as non porn games gameplay wise. Take like an hour of average gameplay in a game. In an open world game, you'll maybe spend 30 minutes running around, 10 minutes fighting, 20 minutes misc stuff (Dialogue, fucking with your inventory, crafting, etc). When you add porn as a major competent, you need to cut a lot of that stuff to make room for it. The combat basically can't be removed for it to still be considered an open world rpg. So you end up cutting down the running around or misc stuff. Both can take away the depth of the game.

An open world game is also one of the more forgiving game types because cutting down on the running around type of stuff is fairly easy (Smaller game world). Most game types don't have that luxury, so the story or even sometimes the gameplay suffers. Because the story is generally the easiest time wise for devs, H games tend to suffer in the gameplay department quite a bit. A small cut to gameplay would be a major cut to story. The story doesn't need years of work and constant bug testing after all.

Does all this mean porn games have to have shit gameplay? Of course not. Does it mean on average that porn games will have less depth in story and combat/gameplay? Of course it does. Game devs do not have unlimited funds or time to make games. Nobody can create their perfect idea of a game, sacrifices always have to be made.

SoD has its own issues (I've listed a ton in my own posts here), but expecting the gameplay to be like a professional non H game is stupid. If you're not okay with some things being sacrificed for porn, don't play hentai games. The rare unicorn H games that have awesome gameplay, story, and everything would be even better without the porn. It's like how VNs typically have better story and usually more H CGs than an action H game because they cut the gameplay (Or why Slice of Life anime have more time to flesh out their characters than an action anime). The remaining stuff gets a boost.

1. Ever heard of a game called Kincaid, The last Barbarian, Sinistar, The forest of Blue Skin or Hounds of the Meteor? Yeah, I bet those games were made by big AAA companies, right? Nope, just one or and handful of people, just like the ones from SOD. So this excuse is nullified.

2. That is nonsense. When you make the game, you plan it all out and not stuff things willy-nilly in it in the last second.

3. Again, that is nonsense, because fine tuning is the last thing you do, but then 90% of the game is done.


Sorry, but that sounds like you want to excuse all the things that went wrong in this game, because you like the game. All those points are no reason not to make a good game, especially if you get MONEY MONTHLY via Parteon. Like I said, there are devs, who work on H games on their own and those games look better than this one. Kincaid, The last Barabrian, Sinistar. Those are games are made by one or more and before you say "But some of them are 2D" that doesn't matter. They chose their platform and promised a good game. If they can't handle it, it is their problem, not ours. Don't comes with excuses when you can do it better or set your goals too high when you can't reach them. This game has not only flawed, it is worse than the first one and I would take the earlier engine any time over the ugly Unreal Engine.

EDIT: Just saw that the engine from the earlier game was the Unreal Engine as well. This makes it even worse, because their graphic quality when down the hill!

If you like the game, more power to you, but don't expect that people will shred it if they don't like it.

 

[Deleted member 4166997]

Never knew you can waste money ironically.

Ask Disney and Marvel, those two should know it better

 

[Noidcreid]

Bruh, is on the last page, either there or in the 146

I already got the patch, but just an info not related to the game, maybe it is better to tag the post number (top right of the box) like yours was #3067 (or some other way), although you don't really need to (to much work to seach for the specific post lol), but if you tell someone about a post in page #n, the page might not be the same for all user, like mine, I set mine to 100 post per page, so this thread only has 31 for me, so telling the page of a post, sometimes isn't really helping, might not be important, but just saying, sry

 

[FruitSmoothie]

1. Ever heard of a game called Kincaid, The last Barbarian, Sinistar, The forest of Blue Skin or Hounds of the Meteor? Yeah, I bet those games were made by big AAA companies, right? Nope, just one or and handful of people, just like the ones from SOD. So this excuse is nullified.

2. That is nonsense. When you make the game, you plan it all out and not stuff things willy-nilly in it in the last second.

3. Again, that is nonsense, because fine tuning is the last thing you do, but then 90% of the game is done.


Sorry, but that sounds like you want to excuse all the things that went wrong in this game, because you like the game. All those points are no reason not to make a good game, especially if you get MONEY MONTHLY via Parteon. Like I said, there are devs, who work on H games on their own and those games look better than this one. Kincaid, The last Barabrian, Sinistar. Those are games are made by one or more and before you say "But some of them are 2D" that doesn't matter. They chose their platform and promised a good game. If they can't handle it, it is their problem, not ours. Don't comes with excuses when you can do it better or set your goals too high when you can't reach them. This game has not only flawed, it is worse than the first one and I would take the earlier engine (I believe it was the Unity Engine, but correct me if Im wrong) any time over the ugly Unreal Engine.

If you like the game, more power to you, but don't expect that people will shred it if they don't like it.

You clearly haven't seen my posts around shitting on a bunch of stuff in the game lol. Almost every one of my posts here is listing off my issues with the game. Your post targeting me is already way off base on that mark. That's what happens when you make assumptions. You got upset by something I said and decided to try to attack me without even knowing my stance on various shit I guess? Lol.

More like sounds like you have a bug up your butt about the game and are trying to attack anybody that doesn't have a full on hate boner for the game. Go check my previous posts in the thread if you think I'm blind to the issues this game has. Funniest part is I actually agreed with you on a lot of stuff, but you just decided to try to attack me for no reason. Try to have some idea of what you're walking into next time. I was very clearly talking in general, and not specifically about this game for 95% of that message.

1. First off, not an excuse, just an explanation for people that don't understand that there are differences between the two types of development. You're listing off completely different games that require completely different skill/experience, great job proving you have no idea what it takes to make various games. Especially after I warned people not to do that, lol.

2. You say it's nonsense and then agree with me...Okay. I never said it's done willy nilly, where the fuck did that come from? Of course it's planned (or should be).

3. You just contradicted yourself.

2. That is nonsense. When you make the game, you plan it all out and not stuff things willy-nilly in it in the last second.

3. Again, that is nonsense, because fine tuning is the last thing you do, but then 90% of the game is done.

"When you make the game, you plan it all out and not stuff things willy-nilly in it in the last second ", then next line "Fine tuning like that is done at the end", what. No, that kind of stuff should also be planned out at the start as well. Balancing how much time is spent doing various shit is important to keep the flow of the game good, that's not something you can only "fine tune" near the end of development, it involves all the systems in the game.

 

[flobadog]

Attacking people because "Muh feefies" will not bring you any benefits, my friend. There will be people who dislike the game because it is a downgrade from what the first part was when it comes to gameplay, story, sex scenes and so on. Let me tell you how I see it:

1. the gameplay is even worse than the first one. Clunky at best and the AI is even worse as the one from RE5 or 6. Not that they were better in part one, but in part 2, it is even worse, sine they always ran into my view and block most of my shots, unlike in my gameplay of part 1. Plus, this part has FINALLY female enemies, but what do they do? Do they have gore scenes with the player model or sex attacks like the enemy with the MCs? No... and I tested it several time. This was so damn disappointing and a wasted opportunity.

2. The story is even more dumbed down from the first part. The main villain gets wedged in like no one cares and all of a sudden (SPOILER ALEART!!!!!) is related with the new character, which is maybe the most boring and overused story element you use for a game. And speaking of the MCs, my gosh were they changed from tolerable to "blowup doll mentality". I'm a fan of Aya (and not for the OBVIOUS reasons), but in part 2, she looked worse and was really annoying for me.

3. The sex scenes as like the gore scenes look laughable at best when one compare them with part 1. It doesn't help that the gore scene got more bloody and brutal, because the completely forgot to implement climaxes like they were in the gore scenes in the first part. And if you consider the UE on top of it, the scenes looks so cheap and shiny that you think, you have a blowup doll in front of you. On top of all that, all the gore scenes are the same for all the MCs, which is lazy when you compare the unique scenes for each of them in the first part. LAZY!

4. Level up and skills are completely useless because the do little to nothing to make the game easier since all you do, is shooting the enemies, which are not getting any more difficult, since you get a lot of different weapons and especially stronger ones. If there were skill, that would change the gameplay in any way, shape or form, that would be a different, but since this is a shooter and not a RPF, a skill tree is pointless.

Now, I said this all already and maybe not everyone sees it like I do and that is fine, but I'm not running around and yell at people to "change your mind and like the game" as you do. People will dislike the game and people will like the game and that is cool, even with me. Accept this or not, it is up to you.

Dude, you say 'attacking people because muh feefees', and I completely agree that everyone is entitled to an opinion on the game either way, but you're kinda flat out wrong about several bits here. To start with, the gameplay is better made than the original. Now you can prefer the original for specific things (like the AI as you mentioned, but that's still debatable), but the gun play, the set pieces, the levels, that's all superior. As for the lack of a scene with the female zombie, that's just them not doing what you wanted, not an objective flaw.

The story is pretty lame, can't argue there. It wasn't particularly good in the last one either though. As for the characters, we get far more interaction and dialogue with them in this game, and while they're not deep and multi-faceted, they do have a fair bit of meat to them. That said I never really payed attention to Aya, so maybe she really was butchered in this game. The sex scenes look look better from a graphical perspective, though whether the character designs are better or worse is a matter of taste really. I completely agree the game over scenes were massively disappointing, though I'd push back on your complaint that they're the same for each girl, there are a lot more of them, and way more scenes in general. If they made each unique for each girl that would massively eat into the time to work on everything else and the guro definitely didn't seem like a priority (which is fair enough if you consider how niche a fetish it is), so I'd hardly call it 'lazy'

Lastly the skills, you're just wrong. Some of the skills are a lot less useful than others, and none of them completely change how the game is played, but they are a massive boost for when you play and some of the final ones like the revolver or molotovs are very powerful and extremely fun.

With all that said, you brought up several legitimate reasons to dislike the game and it's valuable to bring them up and talk about them. Just don't pretend this game is somehow objectively worse than the previous one

 

[d1Polterghost]

1: It's a game made by probably 5 or less people. Most H companies don't have the funding, manpower, or experience of non porn games. Inb4 somebody lists off a single non porn game made by a single dev over several years like it's the same thing or a fair comparison. That's an exception, not a rule (And also lacking in porn).

2: Any time a new major element to the game (Porn) is added, the devs have to divide up attention to that new system that would normally be spent elsewhere (Combat, story, etc).

3: Good games require all the systems involved to be balanced well. Too much or too little story, gameplay, porn, can turn people off. Porn adds another thing that needs be balanced with all the other systems.

Those things are why porn games will generally never feel the same as non porn games gameplay wise. Take like an hour of average gameplay in a game. In an open world game, you'll maybe spend 30 minutes running around, 10 minutes fighting, 20 minutes misc stuff (Dialogue, fucking with your inventory, crafting, etc). When you add porn as a major competent, you need to cut a lot of that stuff to make room for it. The combat basically can't be removed for it to still be considered an open world rpg. So you end up cutting down the running around or misc stuff. Both can take away the depth of the game.

An open world game is also one of the more forgiving game types because cutting down on the running around type of stuff is fairly easy (Smaller game world). Most game types don't have that luxury, so the story or even sometimes the gameplay suffers. Because the story is generally the easiest time wise for devs, H games tend to suffer in the gameplay department quite a bit. A small cut to gameplay would be a major cut to story. The story doesn't need years of work and constant bug testing after all.

Does all this mean porn games have to have shit gameplay? Of course not. Does it mean on average that porn games will have less depth in story and combat/gameplay? Of course it does. Game devs do not have unlimited funds or time to make games. Nobody can create their perfect idea of a game, sacrifices always have to be made.

SoD has its own issues (I've listed a ton in my own posts here), but expecting the gameplay to be like a professional non H game is stupid. If you're not okay with some things being sacrificed for porn, don't play hentai games. The rare unicorn H games that have awesome gameplay, story, and everything would be even better without the porn. It's like how VNs typically have better story and usually more H CGs than an action H game because they cut the gameplay (Or why Slice of Life anime have more time to flesh out their characters than an action anime). The remaining stuff gets a boost.

There are games made by a single person that are more polished than those made by groups of different devs, so its not a good excuse. You can excuse low quality of a game by saying that the dev doesnt have much skill or experience but dont say that its fine because its just a porn game.

 

[Chambs]

...people are still trying to defend this crap?

First one was better, get over it.

 

[theshe1980]

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[NighteraX]

Guys can anyone gimme your full save? mine went boom X_X

 

[FruitSmoothie]

There are games made by a single person that are more polished than those made by groups of different devs, so its not a good excuse. You can excuse low quality of a game by saying that the dev doesnt have much skill or experience but dont say that its fine because its just a porn game.

Again, it was not an excuse, but an explanation, because you seem to have trouble understanding the difference between different types of game development.

No it doesnt mean it. Imagine that post apo games would be allowed to have lower quality than fantasy games. Or steampunk games could be a janky shit. Every game should fulfill certain quality standards no matter what kind of content is in them. You are an idiot.

This is the problem. Your "quality standards" are being equally applied to all games. Backed up by you saying it doesn't matter what kind of content is in them. My post was saying "Uhh, yeah, it does matter". Whenever you add a new system to a game, it complicates things and takes more time, or you have to subtract from time placed elsewhere. Given time/money/manpower constraints, H games will usually suffer in some ways to add porn to them. If you can't realize that, I don't know what else to tell ya.

I'm not even defending this game at all, just defending H game development. This shouldn't even need to be debated, it's like basic obvious shit that you can see with your own two eyes. Why are H games on average much less complex in story/gameplay than similar non porn games? Surprise: Adding porn alters the gameplay balance and takes up time that would normally be spent elsewhere. Not rocket science. Some people here get to the point of wondering why a game made by a handful of people doesn't play like a game made by a large professional team too, that's why I brought up the 5 or less members thing. Had a guy complaining about the game not being like AAA FPS games a while back.

And again, feel free to check my previous messages in the thread, I shit on this game more than most people. I'm just realistic about shit and don't expect a flawless game. When people are acting like clowns and saying the game is complete garbage, I'm going to call them out on that, because they're obviously delusional and expecting way too much. Say the game is subpar in a lot of ways and a buggy mess, sure. Saying the game is overall worse than the first one is just fucking stupid lol. Bunch of drama whores trying to exaggerate how bad the game is gets real old. It's fine to not like it, but some people are going way overboard.

 

[Rosen King]

This game has been out for a couple months. I've played through a large portion and didn't see anything that would qualify as mind control. There's the bit where the vaccine causes intermittent spikes in libido, but that's pushing the definition. Zombies are kind of mind control if you play it right, but I wouldn't consider it a featured element in this game.

So like, the girls don't/can't get turned into sex zombies or anything like that?

 

[cell943]

So like, the girls don't/can't get turned into sex zombies or anything like that?

I wish, but they've been immunized against the zombie virus, so no. Even if they weren't, every game over involves them being eaten or dismembered.

Actually, now that I think about, there is a character who (spoiler) can control the zombies (end spoiler), but they don't use that power in any kind of erotic way.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

I wish, but they've been immunized against the zombie virus, so no. Even if they weren't, every game over involves them being eaten or dismembered.

Actually, now that I think about, there is a character who can control the zombies , but they don't use that power in any kind of erotic way.

Fun way to spoiler without the drop down spoiler. ISpoiler in brackets. I gotta start using that more.

 

[heybeterino]

Keep getting this

 

[cell943]

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Keep getting this

Quit humblebragging, bro.

 

[Officer Loli]

will be any updates with new poses?

 

[heybeterino]

Quit humblebragging, bro.

wdym

 

[Shadowclonezero]

Attacking people because "Muh feefies" will not bring you any benefits, my friend. There will be people who dislike the game because it is a downgrade from what the first part was when it comes to gameplay, story, sex scenes and so on. Let me tell you how I see it:

1. the gameplay is even worse than the first one. Clunky at best and the AI is even worse as the one from RE5 or 6. Not that they were better in part one, but in part 2, it is even worse, sine they always ran into my view and block most of my shots, unlike in my gameplay of part 1. Plus, this part has FINALLY female enemies, but what do they do? Do they have gore scenes with the player model or sex attacks like the enemy with the MCs? No... and I tested it several time. This was so damn disappointing and a wasted opportunity.

2. The story is even more dumbed down from the first part. The main villain gets wedged in like no one cares and all of a sudden (SPOILER ALEART!!!!!) is related with the new character, which is maybe the most boring and overused story element you use for a game. And speaking of the MCs, my gosh were they changed from tolerable to "blowup doll mentality". I'm a fan of Aya (and not for the OBVIOUS reasons), but in part 2, she looked worse and was really annoying for me.

3. The sex scenes as like the gore scenes look laughable at best when one compare them with part 1. It doesn't help that the gore scene got more bloody and brutal, because the completely forgot to implement climaxes like they were in the gore scenes in the first part. And if you consider the UE on top of it, the scenes looks so cheap and shiny that you think, you have a blowup doll in front of you. On top of all that, all the gore scenes are the same for all the MCs, which is lazy when you compare the unique scenes for each of them in the first part. LAZY!

EDIT: Just saw that the engine from the earlier game was the Unreal Engine as well. This makes it even worse, because their graphic quality when down the hill!

4. Level up and skills are completely useless because the do little to nothing to make the game easier since all you do, is shooting the enemies, which are not getting any more difficult, since you get a lot of different weapons and especially stronger ones. If there were skill, that would change the gameplay in any way, shape or form, that would be a different, but since this is a shooter and not a RPF, a skill tree is pointless.

Now, I said this all already and maybe not everyone sees it like I do and that is fine, but I'm not running around and yell at people to "change your mind and like the game" as you do. People will dislike the game and people will like the game and that is cool, even with me. Accept this or not, it is up to you.

I wasn't attacking cuz "muh freefies" or whatever stupid crap you said.. that was just the after thought at the end of the end of the convo of me and the other guy talking back and forth.. cuz he is taking this porn game way too srsly.. comparing it to actual games that, you know, are not porn games.. so the end thought is.. it's a free game that he didn't even pay for..

My actual thought is that the game is fun and it works.. pretty well actually.. and to top that off, it's supposed to be just a porn game in reality.. that's really all it is.. so if it has other fun stuff.. gameplay, unlockable skills, extra ntr events..

I didn't play the first game.. and I think that is the reason ppl are so salty since they did.. they wanted more of the same, but the Devs tried something different.. and now some ppl cry about it.

and I didn't yell at anyone to change their mind.. you didn't read my first post and I don't even care.. cuz I know you didn't now.. I said and I keep saying, this game works (at least until the halloween content patch.. I didn't try it yet, so IDK) and it
works pretty well.. so, and I know this is going to be hard for you to understand.. cuz you are with 'that' crowd apparently..
but 2 stars means a game is absolute shit.. 3 stars means it is average.. and the game works.. and is fun.. and has your porn and ntr.. and has other gameplay.. so it may not be 4 or 5 stars for you, but 3 stars should be the lowest score you give a game that works..

see how easy that is? logic.. seems like no one has much these days..

 

[d1Polterghost]

Again, it was not an excuse, but an explanation, because you seem to have trouble understanding the difference between different types of game development.



This is the problem. Your "quality standards" are being equally applied to all games. Backed up by you saying it doesn't matter what kind of content is in them. My post was saying "Uhh, yeah, it does matter". Whenever you add a new system to a game, it complicates things and takes more time, or you have to subtract from time placed elsewhere. Given time/money/manpower constraints, H games will usually suffer in some ways to add porn to them. If you can't realize that, I don't know what else to tell ya.

I'm not even defending this game at all, just defending H game development. This shouldn't even need to be debated, it's like basic obvious shit that you can see with your own two eyes. Why are H games on average much less complex in story/gameplay than similar non porn games? Surprise: Adding porn alters the gameplay balance and takes up time that would normally be spent elsewhere. Not rocket science. Some people here get to the point of wondering why a game made by a handful of people doesn't play like a game made by a large professional team too, that's why I brought up the 5 or less members thing. Had a guy complaining about the game not being like AAA FPS games a while back.

And again, feel free to check my previous messages in the thread, I shit on this game more than most people. I'm just realistic about shit and don't expect a flawless game. When people are acting like clowns and saying the game is complete garbage, I'm going to call them out on that, because they're obviously delusional and expecting way too much. Say the game is subpar in a lot of ways and a buggy mess, sure. Saying the game is overall worse than the first one is just fucking stupid lol. Bunch of drama whores trying to exaggerate how bad the game is gets real old. It's fine to not like it, but some people are going way overboard.

I understand the idea of feature creep but if you plan for your game to have only two elements from the get go, like shooting and fucking, thats shouldnt affect the quality if you plan it correctly. UNLESS you just dont have enough skill and/or knowledge about making games. What you are saying is that devs should focus on either shooting or fucking because its impossible to combine them if you are a small team, which is bullshit. Again, low quality coz of lack of skill - fine, low quality coz its just a porn game lol - not fine.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

I understand the idea of feature creep but if you plan for your game to have only two elements from the get go, like shooting and fucking, thats shouldnt affect the quality if you plan it correctly. UNLESS you just dont have enough skill and/or knowledge about making games. What you are saying is that devs should focus on either shooting or fucking because its impossible to combine them if you are a small team, which is bullshit. Again, low quality coz of lack of skill - fine, low quality coz its just a porn game lol - not fine.

I never defended low quality games for starters. I said very clearly:

Does all this mean porn games have to have shit gameplay? Of course not. Does it mean on average that porn games will have less depth in story and combat/gameplay? Of course it does. Game devs do not have unlimited funds or time to make games. Nobody can create their perfect idea of a game, sacrifices always have to be made.

On average H games will have less depth in story and combat/gameplay does not equal: it's okay for H games to be low quality. You just wanted to fight me on something because I called you out on expecting too much from this game so you exaggerate what I said, lol. The game has many issues, I don't see too many people claiming it's perfect. It is however not "barely playable", and not nearly as bad as the people hating on it claim it is. The game can be fun even with its issues IF you weren't expecting a professional game. The funny part is that the game is still being worked on. Every update just makes the blind hate more and more absurd.

If people would chill the fuck out and stop dialing their hate for the game to 11, I wouldn't even be responding to them. I have no problem with a score of like 4-8/10, that's reasonable, even though I may disagree with it. It's the people that act like this game shot their dog that I have a problem with, lol. When people act like this game is trash, I'm just like "Y'all clearly haven't seen trash" : p These are the same people that review bomb a movie/game instead of giving a reasonable critique and rating.