Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.05 Dev] [Vénus Noire]

[Mirvel]

I don't know about your other question regarding the ambassadors since I haven't played the latest version(s), but let's tackle this other question of yours.

Thank you!

 

[Sinphil]

Just started and loving the two angles to the first NTR scene. Just curious if the option to use sex for influence rather than just manipulated victim continues beyond the first NTR scene? I going to experiment anyway as love the idea of working as team with Alexis with both of us been manipulators doing for our influence and pleasure rather than just victims.

 

[TheKryptonian]

Just started and loving the two angles to the first NTR scene. Just curious if the option to use sex for influence rather than just manipulated victim continues beyond the first NTR scene? I going to experiment anyway as love the idea of working as team with Alexis with both of us been manipulators doing for our influence and pleasure rather than just victims.

I like the idea too but if Alexia messes around with other characters it drops her relationship with Rowan so it only succeeds in driving them apart as opposed to the desired effect. Which sucks but thats the way the devs have chosen to go with it.

 

[Sinphil]

I like the idea too but if Alexia messes around with other characters it drops her relationship with Rowan so it only succeeds in driving them apart as opposed to the desired effect. Which sucks but thats the way the devs have chosen to go with it.

Thanks. Back to the drawing board. Just from role playing perspective because I so willing to sacrifice everything for Alexis I going to be playing a path that revolves around keeping her as my partner, seems a bit contradictory to toss her to wolves or go running around behind her back if you would go through that much for her. Guess will be doing a lot of scene unlocking then reloading.
EDIT. Also seems counterproductive to break the bond with Alexis when she leverage they use to control MC.

 

[FirstDeadlySin]

While I love that I have a variety of choices to choose and said choices have lasting effects on the story, I still wish we can go with a purely good route after we've tried the evil, NTR, and/or gay gameplays. I hope the devs finish this game because not a lot of games have this level of open-endedness.

 

[TheKryptonian]

While I love that I have a variety of choices to choose and said choices have lasting effects on the story, I still wish we can go with a purely good route after we've tried the evil, NTR, and/or gay gameplays. I hope the devs finish this game because not a lot of games have this level of open-endedness.

I doubt we will get a "pure" good route. I see varying degrees of good routes but there definately be a mix of bad no matter what.

I get that you cant work in the service of demons and not be corrupted a bit

 

[FirstDeadlySin]

I doubt we will get a "pure" good route. I see varying degrees of good routes but there definately be a mix of bad no matter what.

I get that you cant work in the service of demons and not be corrupted a bit

Makes sense. I guess at this point it's impossible for RoXAlex to have a pure route considering their environment. I also look forward to endings where either the two have grown apart too much and now go their separate ways depending on the NPCs they spent more time with probably like Alexia going with Andras or Greyhide and also one where they still stay together despite everything.

 

[Sinphil]

Alright, to specify a bit more:
Requirement 1: You need to have captured Raeve keep, obviously. At this point you can either claim Helayna as your own or leave her to her fate, it doesn't matter.
Requirement 2: Sometime around week 30 (I don't remember exactly), Helayna will ask for your help in escaping. At this point, you can either tell her it's too dangerous and refuse, or agree. If you claimed her, you can also convince her to stay by telling her you love her or something along those lines. In order to progress to the dungeon event, you have to refuse to help her escape AND not convince her to stay.
Requirement 3: Sometime around week 35 (I don't remember exactly), someone will help her escape. You'll have to go through several choices to track down the culprit, and if you do so successfully and turn the culprit in to the twins, the dungeon event will start the next week and take four weeks to complete. You can also get it to trigger by offering to punish the culprit yourself, taking it easy on them, and failing a rolled check to see if you were convincing; though obviously leaving the culprit to the twins is the easier route.

Is one of big issues I have with this game. You give up everything for Alexis and she is the leverage for twins.......yet so many paths lead to throwing Alexis to wolves making all your sacrifices pointless, and the twins constantly trying to destroy only leverage they have over you...surely it would make more sense to lead them down path of corruption and perversion together yet that seems to be one option not available...crazy.

 

[diebesgrab]

They do probably need to include some events that increase Alexia/Rowan's relationship, it's much, much easier to break them apart than to increase their devotion—granted, that makes sense for the situation they're in, but I feel like, ideally, there ought to be a path for their relationship to come out stronger despite the adversity. I'll also echo the sentiment that some scenes between them that increase their corruption without lowering or ignoring their relationship stat would be a nice addition, as well; while personally I'm a fan of corruption breaking pre-existing ties of loyalty, whether romantic or not, I know there's definitely some demand for corrupting devoted couples.

While we're talking about scenes involving Alexia and corruption, I'd also love some more focus on Jezera x Alexia. The three scenes we've gotten are some of the best in the game (for my tastes), and seem to promise more explicit corruption beyond just "unfaithful demon whore"; though with the scenes available currently, there's significantly more focus on Andras x Alexia, which seems much more simplistic (and much less willing). It'd also be nice to see more slight differences in Alexia's scenes depending on whether she's reached medium corruption—e.g., less revulsion in the arena scenes, maybe even some excitement? Maybe a more interested reaction to the Jezera x Shaya scene? That sort of thing. I know that's throwing out a lot of suggestions for what are probably less popular portions of the game, but I suppose there's no harm in bringing them up.

On the subject of good routes, given the premise of the game (and the information we're given about the kind of military career Rowan had), a successful paladin route seems highly unlikely, though the Solansia dream scene does kind of seem to be foreshadowing a purification route that we perhaps won't see much of till significantly later in the story than we've gotten? Or is that just me?

 

[Pseudonymous Pervert]

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Hello seedlings,
Welcome to yet another edition of news from the Six Realms. The less said about last month on the business side the better (only I could increase porn by 50% and LOSE money), but we seem to have rebounded a bit, and will push on like we always do. Work wise, last month was very productive; we delivered a good chunk of Rastedel content, placing us in a position to start giving the player some agency in how the story plays from here. Nasim also seems to have been popular with quite a few people, and you'll definitely be seeing more in the way of transformation content in the future.
Moving on to the next backer release, things are well underway by now as always. On the writing front, it will probably be a little smaller, for good reason. A lot of you having been asking for a while now for us to improve the mechanics of the game, and Rein has been working hard on that task. A lot of his time this month has been taking up both working on developing said mechanics (more about that in a future post), as well as identifying and rewriting events that need to be amended. The reason he is doing this is because, although I wanted to wait until I had more money to hire extra staff, I've found a new programmer. This month he is working on something we've been talking about wanting to do for a while - moving character events out of the ruler event pool, and to their castle locations.
Other than that, everything else is progressing as normal. Winter will continue to work on Rastedel content, along with some other events, and I'm hoping to have some new fey content from Phoenix as well. Art wise, we will once again have nine new CGs (Sommy has already finished two, shared with backers, and I'm waiting on MDN to get back to me with sketches), as well as a new BG (the Codifice), and a new character sprite from Keidi.
That's all for today. The backer release will be on the last Friday of the month, which this time falls on the 29th.

New update, any thoughts?

They do probably need to include some events that increase Alexia/Rowan's relationship, it's much, much easier to break them apart than to increase their devotion—granted, that makes sense for the situation they're in, but I feel like, ideally, there ought to be a path for their relationship to come out stronger despite the adversity. I'll also echo the sentiment that some scenes between them that increase their corruption without lowering or ignoring their relationship stat would be a nice addition, as well; while personally I'm a fan of corruption breaking pre-existing ties of loyalty, whether romantic or not, I know there's definitely some demand for corrupting devoted couples.

While we're talking about scenes involving Alexia and corruption, I'd also love some more focus on Jezera x Alexia. The three scenes we've gotten are some of the best in the game (for my tastes), and seem to promise more explicit corruption beyond just "unfaithful demon whore"; though with the scenes available currently, there's significantly more focus on Andras x Alexia, which seems much more simplistic (and much less willing). It'd also be nice to see more slight differences in Alexia's scenes depending on whether she's reached medium corruption—e.g., less revulsion in the arena scenes, maybe even some excitement? Maybe a more interested reaction to the Jezera x Shaya scene? That sort of thing. I know that's throwing out a lot of suggestions for what are probably less popular portions of the game, but I suppose there's no harm in bringing them up.

On the subject of good routes, given the premise of the game (and the information we're given about the kind of military career Rowan had), a successful paladin route seems highly unlikely, though the Solansia dream scene does kind of seem to be foreshadowing a purification route that we perhaps won't see much of till significantly later in the story than we've gotten? Or is that just me?

I definitely agree with all of this post and will also add that in general there should be more ways for Rowan to build up his relationships with his wife but also with the various other characters at the castle.

 

[Sinphil]

This is likely the last new castle character we'll see for the next 6 months. New arcs for older characters are being worked upon, but they're a bit of a slow process. Last month I sat down with DarkMaster to do Cliohna, and we came up with two Story Arcs for the mid-game for her, one for FemDom content, and one for MaleDom content. I have a pretty significant Cla-Min event in the works (though during planning stage at the moment), and last week we had been talking with DM about X'zaratl.

We are trying to juggle variety with meaningful plots, though as always, it's a bit of a struggle with a project of such a massive scope.

If you give me an option where Alexis and MC can actually work as a team and seduce key characters without destroying relationship I would be a donor already. There is no reason they need to fall apart as corrupted and perverted as you observed in Twin history love is not dictated by good and evil. The idea that MC wold sacrifice everything for Alexia willingly then give up so easily is ridiculous as is the twins so willing to throw away the very leverage they use to control MC. Is kind of silly that a secret bit on side doesn't lead to relationship reduction but making a sacrifice to protect someone causes big hits. Its even more annoying because in first NTR scene Alexis not only suggests it she offers to sacrifice herself but if you try do it it wont work.

 

[FirstDeadlySin]

That would actually be something new compared to most NTR corruption stories where the wife usually falls out of love from her husband. Imagine working together with the love of your life to bring down a demon army from the inside and still managing to stay together despite having sex with other people. Relationship goals right there.

 

[Hekzow]

Is one of big issues I have with this game. You give up everything for Alexis and she is the leverage for twins.......yet so many paths lead to throwing Alexis to wolves making all your sacrifices pointless, and the twins constantly trying to destroy only leverage they have over you...surely it would make more sense to lead them down path of corruption and perversion together yet that seems to be one option not available...crazy.

I mean, you choose why Rowan served the twins in the beginning. But still, the weird threats the demons keep doing are weird as hell.
Especially the Andras scenes. Not because he is evil, but because fucking the guy who leads your army in front of your army is a silly thing to do. Fucking him with your orc business partners is a silly thing to do. Fucking him in front of prisoners is a less silly thing to do since they will die anyway, but still.
After you get the village with twin girls (still can't find it in the latest versions, not sure it's even in the game) Jezera says something about Rowan enjoying his new position and approving of it. And yet all they do is try to make his position as miserable as possible.
If not for Rowan they wouldn't get an army and would likely just be destroyed, he is an extremely important and potentially irreplaceable asset and they treat him like dirt. Also, constantly try to fuck his wife for shits and giggles.

I doubt we will get a "pure" good route. I see varying degrees of good routes but there definately be a mix of bad no matter what.

I get that you cant work in the service of demons and not be corrupted a bit

Last time I played In was surprised at how easy it was to stay pure as Rowan. Just keep praying, giving coins to beggars and all is fine. You don't ever have to do bad shit aside from three main tasks, and even then you can mitigate it somehow. You can refuse to kill the elder, save Helayna and save Delane. You won't even get much shit for it.

It'd also be nice to see more slight differences in Alexia's scenes depending on whether she's reached medium corruption—e.g., less revulsion in the arena scenes, maybe even some excitement? Maybe a more interested reaction to the Jezera x Shaya scene? That sort of thing. I know that's throwing out a lot of suggestions for what are probably less popular portions of the game, but I suppose there's no harm in bringing them up.

I think what's even more important are room conversations. It's where you see Alexia the most and her dialogue never changes. I expected some change after I threw her in a dungeon for a month, but no, it's still kinda surreal to be slaves to demons blah blah blah.

There are a couple of things I wanted to see in the game. One is an option to have both Alexia and Helayna in the same room, I bet scordred could do some renovations. The characters being clickable for dialogue instead of just being there. Would fix the issue of immediately spoiling every option available (i.e. "fuck draith", "cuck Helayna"). Not sure if that is even possible to do though, and it's not a big deal.

 

[diebesgrab]

Not sure if this is intentional, but it seems like the Back For Seconds scene (Jezera x Alexia scene 2) increases Jezera's relationship with Rowan, but doesn't change anything for Alexia—corruption, Jezera influence, etc.—which seems a bit counterintuitive. If that's the way its supposed to be, though, that's fine.

Oh, and out of curiosity, what's the difference between the Rowan Influence stat and the Relation stat for Alexia? It seems like the Relation stat is the one that makes a difference in scenes, but I'm not sure what the Rowan Influence stat is supposed to be.

 

[T51bwinterized]

If the twins actually considered Rowan irreplaceable, they wouldn't potentially off him on week 60 for not collecting enough income. To them he's the result of a fun scheme and a valuable tool. Nothing more.

 

[Sinphil]

Not sure if this is intentional, but it seems like the Back For Seconds scene (Jezera x Alexia scene 2) increases Jezera's relationship with Rowan, but doesn't change anything for Alexia—corruption, Jezera influence, etc.—which seems a bit counterintuitive. If that's the way its supposed to be, though, that's fine.

Oh, and out of curiosity, what's the difference between the Rowan Influence stat and the Relation stat for Alexia? It seems like the Relation stat is the one that makes a difference in scenes, but I'm not sure what the Rowan Influence stat is supposed to be.

Don't quote me as I still new and digging into mechanics. From what I have seen relation is with MC and influence is NPC have on Alexis. Still digging but so far it seems every point of influence an NPC gains it drops same from relationship yet the few ways to raise relationship dont reduce influence. (though just because I havent seen Rowan Influence doesn't mean its not there). Is also an Alexis favor stat I have no clue about yet that has me curious. It gives me hope that eventually Alexis will be able to assist in building up support and help get me allies rather than just be the victim as she is now.

 

[FirstDeadlySin]

Is the new Greyhide x Alexia scene not included in this version? Also, I seem to have missed the chance to side with Tarish because even though I got the poison, I couldn't ask for help from Jezara and I couldn't poison the orc weapons.

 

[Rein]

Still digging but so far it seems every point of influence an NPC gains it drops same from relationship yet the few ways to raise relationship dont reduce influence. (though just because I havent seen Rowan Influence doesn't mean its not there). Is also an Alexis favor stat I have no clue about yet that has me curious.

Rowan Influence has been dropped in favour of Rowan/Alexia Relationship working both ways. But given how much work there is to be done on Room mechanics and the Skill Rework, going through the old events to remove all traces of it is simply not worth the time investment at the moment. However if any of you are keeping an eye out for what variables change during events, it would be a great favour of us if you wrote down all events that mention Rowan Influence, so we can adjust them quickly later on.

Alexia Favor, on the other hand, shouldn't be a thing. Where did it pop up?

 

[Sinphil]

Rowan Influence has been dropped in favour of Rowan/Alexia Relationship working both ways. But given how much work there is to be done on Room mechanics and the Skill Rework, going through the old events to remove all traces of it is simply not worth the time investment at the moment. However if any of you are keeping an eye out for what variables change during events, it would be a great favour of us if you wrote down all events that mention Rowan Influence, so we can adjust them quickly later on.

Alexia Favor, on the other hand, shouldn't be a thing. Where did it pop up?

Because stats hidden and trying to find a path that actually followed dialogue from where first NTR scene where you sneak out but agree to let Alexis sleep with twin anyway to try influence him. I got fed up with the relationship disintegrating if you actually try to do what needed even if you never had casual sex and restricted it to gaining influence of key people so started digging around in consoles to track data and try understand mechanics to see if it was at least feasible. Two of stats I found for Alexia were basically favors given and favors received.

I pretty disappointed really only have option of tossing Alexia to wolves and be toy or fight corruption and perversion together. Was really hoping there was way to be corrupted and perverted together submitting only to build power and influence together to break free. The way it is at moment just makes no sense to me from role playing perspective (twins trying to destroy only leverage they have, Alexis agreeing to help influence others and okaying his using sex to make position better but then not following through) or MC giving up everything he valued for Alexis but then just tossing it aside and letting her fall away, I just can't see how a character that did that would then submit to the sexual corruption over her and just give her up so easily. And yes I want to see a medieval perverted Bonnie and Clyde, fully corrupted and perverted and taking on the entire world as one.

It feels to me you put together a lot of good short stories and good characters but the big story is still been shaped and the impact on characters motives, drives and personalities hasn't had as much importance as it could have.

Still having said that (yet again) I will be looking at donor options for next billing cycle because what you have is very unique and proper RPG with great characters and as more events open up to provide boost to affection (and love the old school hex map exploration) I pretty sure a slower path to corruption together will naturally happen and probably a better route that eases her into manipulator path. The overlaying of corruption, guilt, relationship and influence to specific characters to traditional stats makes it a lot more complex and interesting. (ie so better a little bit of corruption from a lot of sources than a lot of corruption from one source so no one NPC has enough influence over her to challenge my relationship and I should be able to avoid losing her I hope.)

At moment I still just playing around and getting feel for the mechanics and path choices before I start a proper game. Also want to get fair idea of where Alexis relationship goes when Helaina escapes....though would have been fun to give her to wife as Handmaiden and have her manage how to look after her sex drive then help her escape together.

 

[Rein]

I pretty disappointed really only have option of tossing Alexia to wolves and be toy or fight corruption and perversion together. Was really hoping there was way to be corrupted and perverted together submitting only to build power and influence together to break free.

It will be possible to have Corrupt and Loyal Alexia, but it has to happen later on. Alexia, on her own, is a relatively conservative and compassionate person. For her to grow corrupted, someone needs to drag her down. The twins keep doing this from day 1, but Rowan only starts once his own Morals start to deteriorate.