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You're misunderstanding, Andras is well within the realm of human sized, so are the Orcs. To put this in D&d terms, a minotaur is a different size catagory than either Andras or Rowan, or the orcs. Has nothing to do with raw height. That was my point. So the minotaur at least makes some sense on that front and the animal its based off of.
Orcs, demons and minotaurs are all fictional races, author can give them huge dicks if he wants too.

But going back to what started it all

No you can't kill the mary sue super bull designed to perfectly cuck you and have a bigger dick than you and be better than you in everyway. His entire design is utter cancer, I honestly doubt there will be any satisfying way of ever handling him. Because he's clearly the creators dream bull. Rowan is basically designed to be sexually inferior to everyone for the creators fetish, thats why basically everyone is bigger than he is. The optional ntr stuff wouldn't be so annoying if the creator didn't go out of his way to design rowan blantantly to be such a utter loser in literally every aspect, including sexually. You know whats fun in a porn game? Having the smallest cock of all of the people that can fuck your women and your wife! Quality design for porn right there. You're not going to be able to ruin dream bulls life like he constantly does to you, or anything like that. Because the creator will protect this character, in the end its going to be some half baked scene where you "turn the tables on him" and it moves on ignoring all of the shit this guy attempts to do you constantly. Expect not to be get satisfying revenge on brother. But do expect a billion more scenes where he adds on to the torture the character can inflict on you the player character instead though. Because with the way this story is written, the only people that have consequences for their actions is the player. The player isn't allowed revenge or to put consequences on others for the horrid things they attempt to do to him. The character and player expected to just take it, and not be upset that the brother you know was trying to fuck his wife or rape his friends etc. Even though no reasonable human being would ever just say oh remember that time you attempted to rape my wife! All is forgiven! I picked the action that prevented said thing from happening and that means what you were trying to do doesn't matter!

Rowan/theplayer won't have a bunch of scenes where he steals red assholes girls, or bangs the sister in front of him repeatedly where the sister chooses Rowan over her brother and degrades the bother like he has the other girls degrade you etc. It will be some small thing thrown in with basically no meat to it, compared to everything else that gets done to the player. As for what I would want to happen? I'd want Rowan somewhere in the game drink a permanent giga dick potion to start ahegaoing the sister and getting her onto the players side, then mtfing the bother into a non futa girl and her sticking around as as sex slave for the rest of the game. With long detail scenes of you corrupting them both into your slaves. But for the reasons I mentioned above, none of this is likely or it will be meatless content because this is about Rowan being something other than a sexually inferior loser. Which is a shame, but it is what it is.
Looking back at this, it seems to me that you're taking the NTR by superior cock size personally, so much so you want revenge in the same manner and make Rowan the avatar to your rage and steal back all the girls with his own superior cock.

Well revenge route is planned, just not the way you want I think. Sex is not the main point in SoC, so all the worries about dick size is just low priority. Even if Alexia is stolen, dick size is the least of Rowan's mind, just kill the bastards who stole Alexia and maybe Alexia herself.
 
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Orcs, demons and minotaurs are all fictional races, author can give them huge dicks if he wants too.

But going back to what started it all



Looking back at this, it seems to me that you're taking the NTR by superior cock size personally, so much so you want revenge in the same manner and make Rowan the avatar to your rage and steal back all the girls with his own superior cock.

Well revenge route is planned, just not the way you want I think. Sex is not the main point in SoC, so all the worries about dick size is just low priority. Even if Alexia is stolen, dick size is the least of Rowan's mind, just kill the bastards who stole Alexia and maybe Alexia herself.
I've address that argument already, no I'm not. I'm pointing out what is literally in the game and how its portrayed as a means to mock the character visually. So I explained why it would make sense narratively in various posts

Also by the logic of the your first comment, the entire game is fiction, he could give Rowan the biggest dick of them all. My points about the minotaur were because someone brought up a logical reason. Anyway the whole argument is a moot point at this time. Oh one last thing, its still a porn game and sex is HEAVILY focused as an element of the game. So I disgaree entirely there.
 
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I've address that argument already, no I'm not. I'm pointing out what is literally in the game and how its portrayed as a means to mock the character visually. So I explained why it would make sense narratively in various posts

Also by the logic of the your first comment, the entire game is fiction, he could give Rowan the biggest dick of them all. My points about the minotaur were because someone brought up a logical reason. Anyway the whole argument is a moot point at this time. Oh one last thing, its still a porn game and sex is HEAVILY focused as an element of the game. So I disgaree entirely there.
Yup, Rowan can be given the biggest dick. Even a dick on his forehead if the author is inclined to.

SoC is not really a porn game, as it can be a stand alone game without any sexual content, or so say the front page :

" There will also be a relatively safe for work version produced, with the sexually explicit content removed, for those who just want to play the game without the adult content. "
 

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Yup, Rowan can be given the biggest dick. Even a dick on his forehead if the author is inclined to.

SoC is not really a porn game, as it can be a stand alone game without any sexual content, or so say the front page :

" There will also be a relatively safe for work version produced, with the sexually explicit content removed, for those who just want to play the game without the adult content. "
Opala origins also has that option, doesn't really mean anything. Everyone is quite aware of what people play these games for.
 

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How do I use it? I don't know what these options on it do, after grabbing it, though I used all the options.
Just unlock console and developer menu to force start events. Search the thread or check the program's thread in the tools & tutorials area of the forum.
 

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Replaying from the beginning and I see there is quite a bit of reworking of scenes to the point if them being new scenes.
The Greyhide scene that I can't seem to get (1) Alexia + Rowan + Greyhide in the forge (2) Alexia + Greyhide sex when she working in the forge. Are they still there or gone?
Rastedel - Can't seem to meet Delaney there anymore either. Didn't get the option to side with the Duke.
Fae emissaries, totally reworked. So I'm going to assume I won't be meeting them anymore when wandering the woods
Since I'm replaying I am not exactly playing the game in order but jumping all over the place. So wondering if I made the "wrong" choices or those scenes are gone.
 

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his is the same reason we've been studious about avoiding lasting appearance changes to Rowan and Alexia based on corruption. Do you think that Andras giving Alexia a Temporary tattoo was an accident?
You hit me hard in the tender parts with this one.
While i can understand that big changes too characters art is impossible because of the budget constrains and limited time frame. But even avoiding such minor changes as tattoo on the crouch ? Srsly i'm not sure this is such a demanding task from budget perspective and work... many others indie devs actually implemented piercing and tattoos as easy and simple changes you can do to characters to show there character corruption.
Ofcourse you can rebuff by saying NO ITS HARD and that will be it. But let me have a suggestion.
On Patreon you have no stretched goal for a long time. The last one was Rein fanfic. BTW good job Rein!
And maybe just maaybe add a goal where some limited changes to at least main character could be implemented IF you reach certain amount of cash? After all this what Arioch is all about GROWTH.
I can't really see how corruption of the main character wont affect there appearance. If uncorrupted Alexia look exactly the same as corrupted one. i just can't buy it.
As for the Secondary characters as i suggested before they have arcs with few ending depending on your choices. Where you can show what happened to them in this ending arts without changing all the previous art for this character. Like with Delane left for orcs broken and pregnant. Or Helena had a dream what would have happend to her if Rowan wont save her from the twins.
Again im sure you have your own vision for the game may be make a poll ask patreons will they like it or not?
 

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You hit me hard in the tender parts with this one.
While i can understand that big changes too characters art is impossible because of the budget constrains and limited time frame. But even avoiding such minor changes as tattoo on the crouch ? Srsly i'm not sure this is such a demanding task from budget perspective and work... many others indie devs actually implemented piercing and tattoos as easy and simple changes you can do to characters to show there character corruption.
Ofcourse you can rebuff by saying NO ITS HARD and that will be it. But let me have a suggestion.
On Patreon you have no stretched goal for a long time. The last one was Rein fanfic. BTW good job Rein!
And maybe just maaybe add a goal where some limited changes to at least main character could be implemented IF you reach certain amount of cash? After all this what Arioch is all about GROWTH.
I can't really see how corruption of the main character wont affect there appearance. If uncorrupted Alexia look exactly the same as corrupted one. i just can't buy it.
As for the Secondary characters as i suggested before they have arcs with few ending depending on your choices. Where you can show what happened to them in this ending arts without changing all the previous art for this character. Like with Delane left for orcs broken and pregnant. Or Helena had a dream what would have happend to her if Rowan wont save her from the twins.
Again im sure you have your own vision for the game may be make a poll ask patreons will they like it or not?
Simple answer. It seems fine in theory until you realize that this game has many more variables then most other games. One single variable is not too hard. But, how many does it take before you're doing 4 versions of each CG? Eight? What if Alexia can have a tattoo or some marking from Jezera? What if Rowan can change somehow too?

The problem, as with all works with multi-state, is exponential growth.

That's not to say that we will never ever do multi-state detail variables. But, if we do it, it's going to be for a good reason. Such multi-states are a very precious and very limited commodity.

We will have more latitude to do longer term physical transformations in later acts or areas of the game where there are more divergence. As a result, more of the scenes would be exclusive to that individual route and the risk of exponential expansion shrinks. Still, at the end of the day, this choice is up to Arioch (the guy who pays the bills) and Sommy (The guy who makes the art). The only promise worth a damn would be from either of them.

As for why not put it to the patrons. Well, that's obvious. Patrons have no idea how much shit costs and difficulty of implementation. You can give patrons choices between options of equal or near equal difficulty. You can get feedback on what optional ideas they value most, so you can consider how to spend resources. But, if you give Patrons a poll of "Do you want this thing that costs more resources that you'd like" the answer is going to be "Yes" regardless of how *efficient* those resources are. I'm not saying that to insult our Patrons. If I wasn't literally a game developer I wouldn't know how much shit costs to do either.
 
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Maybe you could add different kind of outfits to showoff her corruption for later acts that change her avatar and is only included in sex scenes that are dependent on her corruption.

Just a suggestion, personally don't care that much about physical changes and wouldn't want her to run around with a slut outfit either.
 

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Maybe you could add different kind of outfits to showoff her corruption for later acts that change her avatar and is only included in sex scenes that are dependent on her corruption.

Just a suggestion, personally don't care that much about physical changes and wouldn't want her to run around with a slut outfit either.
We are already doing that.
 

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Thank for honest reply. At least i know how thing stand.
I hope you won’t miss the opportunity's too implement more kinks/character changes when you can (Hint* in the bad endings arts where story ends for character and there is no lasting effect on other character arts).

As for Patreon you need a stretch goal the last one was at 8000 $.
Give people initiative for another goal to be reached. whatever this goal will be.

As for the poll. how about boobs variety? Ask what new character boob shape they like most.
All most all boobs in the game are super girl type boobs defining physics .
As we can see at picture with futa Alexia which started this ridiculous Dick Wars last few pages.
There is no torpedo shape boobs, no big areola boobs, nor large hanging tits.
As not to start another tits war in comments IM FINE with perfect tits on most character even if they all have the same size and shape (which is boring) all i won’t is a little bit Variety or may i say Diversity.
P.S. If it’s not obvious i’m talking about new characters that will eventually be in the game not changing old ones.
 

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We are already doing that.
I know that there is a different dress on her corruption path. What I meant is to maybe completely switch out her green dress on a later act depending on her corruption state at that point. Like a bright / dark dress.

Complete body tranformations would be too much as you already said that you would have to make additional cgs for each transformation and the thing is if you add let's say nipple piercings people will want chains, permanent tattoos, etc for later versions. And I assume most people would prefer 2-3 different sex scenes over one with 4-5 small variants. So to make temporary changes (like you already did with the tattoo) but make them feel more permanent would be only way I could think of (like changing outfits / make up). But I don't know if that's even something people who want body transformations would sate.

Sex scenes shouldn't be a problem as you still can do them in her nightie, naked, corruption outfit, etc. But after thinking about it a bit more that would make it hard for some non sex cgs she might be included in as you have to draw at least one variant for each outfit. So a mistake on my part.
 
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One potentially easier route might be along the lines of what the game my avatar is from did—changing colors and expressions instead of adding accessories or changing any shapes. Granted, TaiAsa3 wasn’t doing it for the sake of multistates, but it seemed to me to be an effective and comparatively simple visual cue for corruption.

Some examples of Taimanin Asagi 3’s handling:
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I certainly wouldn’t say no to some sort of permanent mark if you decide to go that way instead, but if I could make a suggestion, avoid womb tattoos—they’re extremely overused.
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It’s perhaps worth noting that my favorite corruption work, (scat warning), didn’t have any blatant visual cues at all—the main corrupted girl could grow tentacles at will (and grew a dick), but the corruption was expressed almost entirely by text and expression.
 
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Is corruption shared between Rowan and Alexia? If Alexia does corrupting things, would Rowan be affected as well? I think it would be better to have a corruption and relationships meter to see the levels, and see the consequences of past actions made.
 

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Is corruption shared between Rowan and Alexia? If Alexia does corrupting things, would Rowan be affected as well? I think it would be better to have a corruption and relationships meter to see the levels, and see the consequences of past actions made.
no they aren't shared, each one has their own corruption value.
 
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