Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.05 Dev] [Vénus Noire]

[gamingdevil800]

Within reason, but we still feel that we were inexpert with our portrayal of it. At the end of the day, sometimes if a scene is producing more varied reaction when we intended, it implies that the communication was imperfect. So, while we're clearing up and improving the rest of the intro (RIP Trap Door) we want to do a better job making that scene feel consistent with the rest of the Alexia NTR. One element of that is giving the player more control of her reaction to him.



That's a new CG for the "Confrontation" branch of the Shaya Finale. What's being portrayed is something of a spoiler.

 

[gamingdevil800]

Despite all of his obvious flaws, Andras is perhaps a better leader than Jezera. Sure, he is in many ways primitive and brutish, also has anger issues. But Jezera is even more incompetent: despite being good at scheming (and often succeeding at it), she is completely childish, irresponsible and seems to be less focused on her duties than Andras. The red demon spends most of his time in barracks, training and commanding orcs, while also supervises forge work and driders - overall he seems to be very focused on his duties. Jezera on the other hand tends to spend most of her time playing with maids or devising petty schemes. She doesn't seem to be taking her role seriously at all. While Andras often cooperates with Rowan on his missions (we can see it during orc tribe events and village occupation events), Jezera spends most of her time in her chambers. If Rowan contacts her during his missions, she is interested only when it looks enjoyable to her (e.g. how she helped Rowan with corrupting the traveling nun or how she came to the witch convent). In other times, she simply doesn't care. During the event with Darla the Huntress, when Rowan contacts Jezera to consult with her a possibility of recruiting a large group of mercenaries, she tells him to stop bothering her because she is currently having some fun. I don't remember Andras being ever so negligent, despite also liking to have fun.

Also, Jezera's schemes, even if they succeed, are often very one-dimensional. Sleeping with an enemy general is a nice idea, but can succeed only against a man of lesser character (I sincerely doubt that someone like Werden could have fallen for a trick like that). In the prologue, Jezera lures Rowan away from Arthdale to capture Alexia, but when Rowan returns she is caught by surprise and is nearly killed/wounded by him. Even Andras calls her out on that after he comes to rescue her. We could also argue that each of the twins has an area of responsibility. Andras is in charge of the military and munitions, Jezera is in charge of spies and foreign relations. But whereas Andras does his job very well, Jezera is only partially successful. She succeeds in gaining Ameraine as an ally in Rastedel but miserably fails during her negotiations with the dark elves. Also, despite being a spymaster, she completely fails to stop plotting of important castle staff members. Both Cliohna and Shaya manage to take Rowan (who is supposedly monitored by Jezera) under their control in their respective paths (the only one who can stop them is Rowan himself, not Jezera) and Cla-Min is running wild with corruption, counterfeit money etc.

Would just like to point out it's actually better to not let Cliohna and Shaya dominate you, turning the tables on them to make you an equal has better overall results. 100% with Shaya and definitely will with Cliohna too it may be important later on.

 

[Oriandu]

There's also the fact that the twins spend a decent amount of time knocking Rowan down a peg or two whenever they can to keep him under control, so not letting minor character dominate him is a good way to keep his development intact and remind the player that the twins are only really in charge so long as he's at a major disadvantage and that they wouldn't stand a chance against him if the power gap was smaller.

 

[Deleted member 3378174]

In times like these when the update has dropped and the thread is barren of links I ask myself...

 

[aykarin]

Would just like to point out it's actually better to not let Cliohna and Shaya dominate you, turning the tables on them to make you an equal has better overall results. 100% with Shaya and definitely will with Cliohna too it may be important later on.

You are right. If we look at things from the perspective of 'what actions can strenghthen Rowan's position and give him advantage for eventual future rebellion' then it's definitely worth to stand on even grounds with Cliohna and Shaya. In my previous message I just wanted to point out that Jezera as a castle spymaster is ignorant of these matters. She probably doesn't even know that both Cliohna and Shaya play their own game with Rowan and doesn't intervene in their efforts to subdue Rowan.

 

[cazala]

I have the fey emissary arrived in Bloodmeen, but where could I find them? They're not in living quarters.

 

[Nightmare800]

Se Need a real Hero!!!

I can't wait to see Rowan gut him like a fish.

By the way this game's tags have a female protagonist listed in them, where can I choose that?

 

[Nightmare800]

In times like these when the update has dropped and the thread is barren of links I ask myself...

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Judging from the acute lack of progress in the past five years I can guarantee you this will be abandoned eventually.

 

[Ataman87]

Judging from the acute lack of progress in the past five years I can guarantee you this will be abandoned eventually.

Tell me of a game with this kind of scope, hand made art , size and so on that is made on a donation model (on this site or elsewhere) where the progress is faster. These are small teams progress is slow . Here at least is frequent every two mounts. And the treat of abandonment lingers over every game that uses this model of development and funding.

 

[Nightmare800]

Tell me of a game with this kind of scope, hand made art , size and so on that is made on a donation model (on this site or elsewhere) where the progress is faster. These are small teams progress is slow . Here at least is frequent every two mounts. And the treat of abandonment lingers over every game that uses this model of development and funding.

What, you think I know the exact progress rate of every smut VN around? What I know is that this is a classic case of Patreon milking that has unfortunately became a staple of smut games nowadays unless they are japanese titles. I concede the art style is pretty good but for a VN to move to 0.2 in FIVE years stinks of either greed or laziness, or both. I can guarantee you that if patreon would work on the basis of pay-per-update (say six bucks per one tenth of the game) this wouldn't have happened.

Sure, it may sound awful rude for me to say this, considering I got the game for free, but this abhorrent practice of lazy assholes milking their patrons for meagre updates with endless development cycles is something I cannot simply agree with. To me it's betrayal of their trust and it's ultimately causing the donators to be cynical about donating at all, which hurts people who actually deserve it.

 

[rivon]

They have 13-14 k income.
They are in top 50 most founded projects on Patreon in Adult games subcategory.
So no.

 

[Nightmare800]

They have 13-14 k income.
They are in top 50 most founded projects on Patreon in Adult games subcategory.
So no.

Was that meant to be a reply to me or Ataman87?

 

[sickdude]

What, you think I know the exact progress rate of every smut VN around? What I know is that this is a classic case of Patreon milking that has unfortunately became a staple of smut games nowadays unless they are japanese titles. I concede the art style is pretty good but for a VN to move to 0.2 in FIVE years stinks of either greed or laziness, or both.

Well I agree, I bought this game on steam randomly and then supported them on patreon to make development bc I wanted this game to finish fast (how foolish I am ) but tho I love the quality and all updates, the content is too little for the amount of support they get. So I quitted the patreon and support other smaller developers on patreon.

Btw can anyone tell me when they will share new content link ? or update steam version?

 

[Ataman87]

Dude the model is flawed- yes. But before it there were zero western porn games of this quality (and i dont care about 99 % of jap games becouse they suck - maybe due to poor localisation or cultural diferences) . Japan games are made by actual comercial studios on a purchase - release model. Like a finished product that has development deadlines and a fixed preinvested budget. So there cant be comparison. I have couple of favorite games with 2d art that get upd regulary (slowly but again regulary) . As long as people are interested and the dev are alive and working we get updates piece by piece. Maybe with the money they make there shoud be noticable increese in development time - more artist , more coders, writers but i think with smaller studios there is no real project managment on that scale. I hope that this donation model will evolve in to actual profestional western porn game industrty. There are a few such studios like the one that made Subverse but there you have an other problem - the kinks. You see for a large studio to direct resources and make the nececery advertisment (since sells are more important and you cant hope only on donations) they need to tone down on the kinks. Or they will get heat from censors and other "moral" organisations. So no incest , no futa , no kinky demon sex , no violence , no monster fucking. Or not least on the depraved and erotic level we get here. Again i undestand what you are saying the model is flawed , but think about it before that we never got games like this one. Think it like this - the dudes here writers , artist , coders behind this game are freelancers and in the end amateurs (im not saying they lack the skills) but they have a fix resourse and they make things at a set phase. Its slow yes - but again its regular. The money they get is for them they dont have a real motivation or the know how to organise a large studio that can crank things on a pro industry level. The are developers (most 3d art) games that some how work faster but again we are talking about simple visial novels with 3d art.

 

[Dortan]

What, you think I know the exact progress rate of every smut VN around? What I know is that this is a classic case of Patreon milking that has unfortunately became a staple of smut games nowadays unless they are japanese titles. I concede the art style is pretty good but for a VN to move to 0.2 in FIVE years stinks of either greed or laziness, or both. I can guarantee you that if patreon would work on the basis of pay-per-update (say six bucks per one tenth of the game) this wouldn't have happened.

Sure, it may sound awful rude for me to say this, considering I got the game for free, but this abhorrent practice of lazy assholes milking their patrons for meagre updates with endless development cycles is something I cannot simply agree with. To me it's betrayal of their trust and it's ultimately causing the donators to be cynical about donating at all, which hurts people who actually deserve it.

This is most certainly not a "classic case of Patreon milking". Ignoring the overall quality of presentation that is lacking in most of the titles here, the game has gone through several changes in story, art and is currently going through an overhaul of the mechanics which is significant since this is NOT just a VN.

I understand not being happy with the amount of progress but the fact is that even the development of small indie games can stretch on for years and looking at the consistency of the devs in recent years i really don't think that they are just lazy .
Also, i think they are working simultaneously on a second game if i'm not mistaken .

 

[Oriandu]

I think a big part of the problem with SoC is that the development team is somewhat unprofessional in both capability and attitude. They don't know how to design a video game. They may have the technical and artistic skill but they are completely lacking in an understanding of how to put that ability together in a coherent and functional way. As evidenced by the fact that progress is basically nonexistent in terms of the ongoing structure of the game, and the presence of so many scenes with no completed artwork, and the semi-regular reworking of systems that never seem to actually get finished. This should be expected as most of the people who work via patreon are amateurs and it shouldn't be held against them. However SoC would greatly benefit from bringing on a staffer with actual experience in game design, the only problem there is to bring someone like that in you would have to match salary and an experienced game designer would eat up half of their income.

Of course the catch 22 of them going the standard route of designing the game before development starts and then sticking to that design document would likely lead to a project lacking in imagination since there is always a certain level of things changing as they go and that usually has an even greater impact on people who are not as well versed in game development. SoC is, for better and worse, an amateur project. Expect things to take a while and that doesn't necessarily mean we're getting milked, but at the same time patreon more or less encourages slow development of content.

 

[Rein]

Judging from the acute lack of progress in the past five years I can guarantee you this will be abandoned eventually.

Whoever compiles ever single post from the last FIVE FUCKING YEARS saying we'll obviously abandond this game AT ANY MOMENT NOW, I will make your self-insert get cucked by Andras in a one-off map event.

Just a few lines of reference. No art. You don't get sommy for this.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

And here i was wondering how this thread was going free of armchair devs for quite some time. Now two pop up at the same day...

 

[diebesgrab]

While I agree that the slow rate of story progress combined with the small team size opens the game up more to the always present possibility of “shit happens,” I’m curious if anyone’s actually aware of any large scale smut games that have had a more organized, more efficient team outside of the Japanese market? Or for that matter, any smut games that have produced more content in a similar period of time?

I’m honestly curious, I don’t play a lot of western porn games, and a lot of people accuse this game of a lack of progress. I understand most of them are just looking at the version number and making assumptions based on that, and I already granted that main story progression is really slow, but in terms of the amount of work being done and the content that’s been added, I’m actually curious what western porn games are out there that compare favorably.

 

[Trapitalism101]

While I agree that the slow rate of story progress combined with the small team size opens the game up more to the always present possibility of “shit happens,” I’m curious if anyone’s actually aware of any large scale smut games that have had a more organized, more efficient team outside of the Japanese market? Or for that matter, any smut games that have produced more content in a similar period of time?

I’m honestly curious, I don’t play a lot of western porn games, and a lot of people accuse this game of a lack of progress. I understand most of them are just looking at the version number and making assumptions based on that, and I already granted that main story progression is really slow, but in terms of the amount of work being done and the content that’s been added, I’m actually curious what western porn games are out there that compare favorably.

The only one I can think of is Flexible Survival or maybeTales of Androgeny. Both update Monthly, with ToA updating like cockwork on the first of every month.