Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.05 Dev] [Vénus Noire]

[tlarsen]

Is there anything new with the Goblin milf in this update?

 

[DownTheDrain]

You are still a slave to the twins, now and forever.

When I asked about this a long time ago I was told the original plan was for the MC to only be able to overpower the twins towards the end of the final act, when the game is basically done.
If you're holding out hope for the power dynamic to switch in the foreseeable future, like I did for a while, you're probably in for a bad time.

With his pace, the game will never be completed. if it takes half a decade just to finish act 1, how much will it take to complete the game? 30 years?

That's the fate of many (most?) Patreon games.
It's not entirely on the devs, the payment model promotes prolonging your project for as long as it remains popular. You basically never want to finish your game unless you have another title already lined up to seamlessly take over.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

While Rowan is technically the MC, it's hard to not play this game without considering Alexia as a secondary MC. Your actions as Rowan influence Alexia's actions.

Unlike most games with basically zero ability to tell a story, SOC makes it such that when Rowan does bad things to Alexia, Alexia cheats on you. The Rowan fucks aspect of this game comes at a cost: Alexia's infidelity. Crazy how people bitch about NTR but see no contradiction when MC goes around and cheats on his partner!

But, like, you're also committing adultery as Rowan! This isn't a harem game, and actions have consequences.

Furthermore, the NTR in this game isn't as...severe as it is in other games. It isn't focused on humiliating the MC (though there is such a gay, submissive path; that can be avoided). It isn't Alexia being a bitch and cucking Rowan for no reason. It is Rowan's actions driving Alexia into relationships with Andras, Jezera, Greyhide etc.

So, yeah, okay, there were patrons of the game who really wanted NTR content because porn games are where people can very easily explore super taboo kinks. But at the end of the day, it's not an NTR game, even by the writing's standards.

(For the record, I find cuck/NTR shit to be cringe and gross, but it's hard to see the content here as NTR given how the story is written.)

I mostly agree, but I would say that the better argument for Alexia being a secondary MC is because you get to see lots of scene from her perspective and when you are in her perspective you get to control her choices, just like you do when you are in Rowans perspective.

When you are in Alexia perspective you can make decisions independent of Rowan's actions. You can gave a game in which Rowan sleep around and Alexia remains faithful. You can have a game ere Rowan remains faithful and Alexia sleeps around. You can have a game in which they are both sluts. You can have a game in which they bother remain abstinent even from each other.

Anyonw that encounters NTR in this game chose to see NTR. Either they are clicking through options without reading or they are suffering from post-nut regret, regardless it their own fault.

My main issue is that this game has been in development for so long from 2016 (more than half a decade)! And yet the plot did not move any further than when it was at the original teaser version. You are sidetracked doing stuff that does not move the plot. You are still a slave to the twins, now and forever. Nothing you do matters. Regarding the twins, the dev shows blatant favourtism to Andreas, who has multiple sex scenes with the MC, his wife, or both of them. While his sister almost has nothing with main MC, unless its femdom or cucking him. She has scenes with the wife so, but the main guy? No.

With his pace, the game will never be completed. if it takes half a decade just to finish act 1, how much will it take to complete the game? 30 years?

When I asked about this a long time ago I was told the original plan was for the MC to only be able to overpower the twins towards the end of the final act, when the game is basically done.
If you're holding out hope for the power dynamic to switch in the foreseeable future, like I did for a while, you're probably in for a bad time.



That's the fate of many (most?) Patreon games.
It's not entirely on the devs, the payment model promotes prolonging your project for as long as it remains popular. You basically never want to finish your game unless you have another title already lined up to seamlessly take over.

Yes, this game has been in development for a long times considering the progress they made. Until someone recently the game’s development has been rather haphazard and without a sense of direction. Which let to a fair amount of bloat.

However, the developers have started making a development road map to keep them on track and limit their focus. Thus far it seems to have made a big difference and the development is proceeding much more smoothly. The main story hasn’t advanced because the developers want to wrap up all the loose threads they created in the past and give all the important characters the depth their patrons are demanding, before finishing up the current act. It makes sense that they wouldn’t want to start the development on the act 2 while still devoting a lot of time on time to tying up the loose threads and adding depth to the characters in the 1st Act that is supposed to ostensibly be finished.

In addition, they have recently brought new writers onto the team so it stands to reason that we can expect the pace to pick up in the future.

Here is the last roadmap they put out. Please not that as of this update Cla-Min’s Arc and the Prologue Rework are complete.

How do I get Andras X Alexia1 ? Cause how many time I try rowan sneaks out and I can't do any thing
Is there a way to get the first NTR scene with Andras

It has been reworked into an entirely new scene that gives Alexia the agency in deciding what she does. First you’ll get to decide whether or not she starts to warm up to him. Then you get to choose whether or not you are interested in accepting his advances, and finally when the truth comes out that Adras has been lying to her she can either slap him or hate fuck him (this scene happens in week 2).

Is there anything new with the Goblin milf in this update?

Yes, and as of this update her arc for Act 1 is completed

 

[perles75]

Yes, this game has been in development for a long times considering the progress they made. Until someone recently the game’s development has been rather haphazard and without a sense of direction. Which let to a fair amount of bloat.

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Nice summary! Just for clarification, the struck-through parts are the completed ones, aren't they?

 

[Rein]

How do I get Andras X Alexia1 ? Cause how many time I try rowan sneaks out and I can't do any thing
Is there a way to get the first NTR scene with Andras

Don't skip the prologue.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Nice summary! Just for clarification, the struck-through parts are the completed ones, aren't they?

Yes stuck through is completed. And as I said, as of this update Cla-min's Character Arc and Prologue Rework would be struck through.

The highlighted items are currently being worked on.

 

[Rugerrell6]

I agree that NTR is more that just cheating or otherwise having sex with other people. NTR is more like watching someone throw ther life away for drugs, but with sex. But as you say later a lot of people misconstrue NTR with other forms of sleeping around to the point that I generally assume that people are using it in that general sense. It keeps me from telling people something doesn’t contain NTR only for them to come back furious that I lied to them.

As for my interpretation of NTR… First you need to be willing to give up pretty much anything in order to continue receiving the pleasure this person is giving. It’s like a drug you can’t quit and you would do anything to get your next fix. Next, you don’t need to know you're being cheated on, in fact in most NTR the cucked individual isn’t isn’t really aware of the situation until it is too late to stop. So with that in mind clearly the twins engage in NTR with Alexia. I would also say that long term they would like to NTR Rowan but don’t currently want him completely broken. However, Cliohna and Shaya will NTR Rowan given the chance. But by my standards I don’t know that anyone else would qualify as NTRing either of the main characters. Characters like Delane and Helenya don’t qualify, because forming an emotional attachment is pretty normal in regular cheating. It isn’t like they are sexing Rowan so good that he is willing to sacrifice everything else for the pleasure. And what he is willing to sacrifice for them is because he cares about them not because he can’t give up the sex.




Of course I understand that for purposes of quieting the loud anti NTR subset you have to take a broad stance on what qualifies as NTR, because they themselves tend to have a broad stance on what qualifies as NTR.




See this previous post and scroll down to the “What’s new” section for the changelog. As for the fight with Andras in isn’t new, but I suppose it might be new to some people that haven’t played in a while. It goes like this:

It is a random end of week scene, but it usually triggers fairly early. Andras comes in and tells Rown to give him a blowjob for stress relief. Rowna can either do it or brush him off. If you give him the brush off Andras will say that he’ll just go get one from you wife. Rowan can let him go or try to stop him. (note: if you let him go he doesn’t actually get a blow job from her, what he does do is make her put on a show while he mistreats and finishes on her back) If you you try to stop him you will trigger a fight. There are two fairly steep combat checks. If you fail them both Andras beat the shit out of you, but says that it was enough to let him blow off steam regardless. If you pass the first check but fail the second you hold you own until Andras gets serious, he give you a good smack before declaring he’s had enough. If you pass both checks Rowan gradually gets the upper hand in a drawn out fight, before Andras get frustrated and lashes out with magic to take control before once again declaring that was enough to relieve his stress.




All sexual content tin the game is optional. If you don’t what you wife to cheat then when given the option for her to cheat just choose not to. That said, there is an option during the prologue to disable NTR content. Personally I find the story to works better when you leave the NTR content enabled but to actively choose to reject it if you don’t want it, but the game is mostly the same either way.

If you want both MC and his wife to always remain faithful then you may be disappointed in the amount of content. Personally I think the story is still worth it but I know others disagree. If you are a little more free with either character then I think there is plenty of content. But generally it is less a porn game with enough narrative to piece the sex scene together, and more a story game that has a lot of sex in it.



So after looking into this it doesn’t seem you can trigger this scene directly from the debug menu. But what you can trigger are the prerequisite scenes. Alexia_consultation, nasim_intro, and alexia_potion_stealing. Be sure you click the little plus (+) sign next to Run Count 0/1 or it won’t actually count as being run. During the potion stealing scene you have to promise to look into safer treatments. Then go visit Nasim in the library to start. You can keep visiting him til the second treatment, but note that the second treatment is brand new and doesn’t have art yet.


Is this to your tastes?
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Personal I don’t think any porn game is worth playing for the sex alone. If I just wanted the sex there are million of sexy pictures and videos online which would let me skip all the preamble. For me, in order for a porn game to be worth playing, it need to have a compelling story and/or gameplay. That why I play this game even though I found some of the content…uncomfortable.

I liken it to how people respond to gory movies. Some people can't handle watching gory movies. Meanwhile, other people specifically seek them out. Then you have people that are okay with it if the movie is good.

If you read the tags and it makes you sit up and say 'those are all my fetishes' then by all means play this game. But if the tags make you uncomfortable but you think you might be able to tolerate it if the story is good enough then at least give it a try. If you are in that category, I would recommend trying to distance yourself from the MC. Don’t think of Rowan as you or Alexia as your wife. Think of them as characters in a story and make you choices based on what you think would make for a compelling narrative.

Hmmm it does look a bit better then the scenes I remember. In those scenes Amerlaine was really gross looking like, like an old decrepit witch or something. And Patricia(remembered her name) lol looked extremely inconsistent. Like in some of the art pictures her face looked really pretty in others she looks like she is a 60 year old Warthog haha.

 

[kekgod01]

Does any know how to take over Rastedel peacefully?

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Does any know how to take over Rastedel peacefully?

You can't. Or rather....

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[DownTheDrain]

However, the developers have started making a development road map to keep them on track and limit their focus. Thus far it seems to have made a big difference and the development is proceeding much more smoothly. The main story hasn’t advanced because the developers want to wrap up all the loose threads they created in the past and give all the important characters the depth their patrons are demanding, before finishing up the current act. It makes sense that they wouldn’t want to start the development on the act 2 while still devoting a lot of time on time to tying up the loose threads and adding depth to the characters in the 1st Act that is supposed to ostensibly be finished.

I sure hope they had a roadmap before and didn't make it up as they went along for the last 6(!) years...

On a more serious note, that all sounds sort of promising but if there's one thing that Patreon projects don't lack it's promises.
The first time I asked about giving the MC a more proactive role and dominant players a bit more agency I got a snarky reply by a dev that he was already working on this amazing maledom trainer spin-off. That was 4 years ago and the spin-off never materialized.

Nothing personal, but I really don't care about any upcoming changes or visions for the future until they're actually in the game. That's just the nature of Patreon.

 

[BunnygirlBoobies]

That's the fate of many (most?) Patreon games.
It's not entirely on the devs, the payment model promotes prolonging your project for as long as it remains popular. You basically never want to finish your game unless you have another title already lined up to seamlessly take over.

$2000 a month (fed min wage in the USA/160hrs for a months work, full time) take home pay after expenditures for the project is equivalent to a months work, full time, at 7.25 an hour. ish. im not good at math. you cant live off that, and if a dev isnt making that, development time will be secondary to maintaining another job to allow them to live.

Most games that arent backed by major funding take extra long cause the people making it are trying to live off other means and making the game for passion and fun. yall cant bash slow dev speeds till you get the circumstances....

 

[gamingdevil800]

I'm not really into futa irl but this scene was pretty hot:
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[DownTheDrain]

$2000 a month (fed min wage in the USA/160hrs for a months work, full time) take home pay after expenditures for the project is equivalent to a months work, full time, at 7.25 an hour. ish. im not good at math. you cant live off that, and if a dev isnt making that, development time will be secondary to maintaining another job to allow them to live.

Most games that arent backed by major funding take extra long cause the people making it are trying to live off other means and making the game for passion and fun. yall cant bash slow dev speeds till you get the circumstances....

I was not aware that I was bashing anyone, nor do I see how your math contradicts my point.
The fact that poorly supported games take longer because the devs can't work on them full-time doesn't change that many exceptionally supported games also take longer because Patreon pays you for having a popular title in development, not for finishing it.

 

[BunnygirlBoobies]

I was not aware that I was bashing anyone, nor do I see how your math contradicts my point.
The fact that poorly supported games take longer because the devs can't work on them full-time doesn't change that many exceptionally supported games also take longer because Patreon pays you for having a popular title in development, not for finishing it.

ah yeah sorry, im bad at directing my comments, was meant as a parralel to your comments. sorry!

 

[Carefree247]

Does any know how to take over Rastedel peacefully?

The question is why would you ? and could you even ?
Seeds of Chaos is kinda like warhammer 40K where Peace is a lie and you can bury the thought of ever having ppl acting normally like how Maud didn't think twice to shoot a bolt on you, as the whole point of Act 1 for Rowan comes down to

would you serve in hell or rule in HELL !

Taking into account the powers(Kharos and Solanse) which shape the world are depressing and equally stupid, you come to a thought of why save the fools who robbed you of your reward and sent you back to your dirt home, the old order deserves the french revolution treatment and not the whole city, but I understand your plight, one thing you must remember is you can't save everyone and neither should you as they have to make that choice, kinda like Maud again who decied to shoot me after I decided to not pay child support could not give her the rosy revolution she wanted.

You can't. Or rather....

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I like that towards the end of Act 1 your expectations were subverted by the very thing which till now doesn't make sense, the baron.

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[rivon]

Will act 1 be completed this year?

My main issue is that this game has been in development for so long from 2016 (more than half a decade)! And yet the plot did not move any further than when it was at the original teaser version.
With his pace, the game will never be completed. if it takes half a decade just to finish act 1, how much will it take to complete the game? 30 years?

You can answer that yourself if you use magic stuff like logic and common sense!
Lets look at their to do list:
They will have 5 updates this year (they do bimonthly updates)
To make it in time and wrap up in 2022 release schedule should be something like that:

1 update March : Helayna + Andras
2 update May : Jazera + Alexia
3 update July : Goblin new location and recruitment quest line
4 update Sep. : Fae content
5 update Nov : rework of Rastedel + UI polishing
+ Writing epilogue

Now lets look at at what pace they actually progressing right now:
last 4 updates Winter (main writer) was rewriting Liurial ark (supporting character) and he isn't finished yet.

Meaning 1 character per 4/5 updates.
Meaning at current pace they will crawl to the finish line somewhere in 2024.

 

[aykarin]

The new map event in which Rowan can seduce an abbey priestess is great. I have big expectations for this scene's art.

 

[A360]

The new map event in which Rowan can seduce an abbey priestess is great. I have big expectations for this scene's art.

It's good, second favourite roaming scene after the orc girl with the blue eyes. Looking forward to the art as well.

A corrupted Rowan seems to take great delight in “corrupting”women especially if they lower their guard because of his rep. If Tulip, the nun and Juliet are anything to go by anyway. He almost acts like a mini Jezera in them. Hope we see more scenes like that.

 

[firwirrung]

Does anyone know if the Devs have discussed whether the Andras / Alexia NTR arc is going to end with her getting pregnant by Andras?

I recall there being an almost throw away line of dialogue in their early interaction, but wondered if there had been discussion of follow up. I haven't played the last two or so updates, but I did see the "breeding" tag for the fertility arc with Rowan. Curious what the plan is for future impregnation content.

 

[Юбж]

Русского языка так понимаю нету?

I understand that there is no Russian language?