Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.05 Dev] [Vénus Noire]
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You understand that I'm the lead writer, right? I approve or deny on most story beats, and either me or Rein checks events before they go in. Also when planning story arcs I'm normally in most of the discussions, giving directions, with Arioch himself giving final approval or denial.
So I gotta say, man. "The team doesn't care about Mdom" is a fucking weird thing to say when I'm THE Mdom guy. Of course, I care about making sure there's good M/f content with Rowan in a more dominant position. And Arioch cared about it too because he hired me originally to ensure we had good Mdom scenes.
So I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about when you say the devs don't care about the route. Hell, I literally am an Mdom. Anyone who knows me can confirm I never shut up about going to this kink event or having just bought that piece of fetish gear.
Take the goblins. I'm not going to go into sprcifics, but the entire thing is split down the middle, with actually slightly more Rowan dominant coded scene then Rowan bottom coded scenes (although we wanted to ensure Rowan bottom players got plenty too).
Like, bro. Bro. Broooooooooo.
So I gotta say, man. "The team doesn't care about Mdom" is a fucking weird thing to say when I'm THE Mdom guy. Of course, I care about making sure there's good M/f content with Rowan in a more dominant position. And Arioch cared about it too because he hired me originally to ensure we had good Mdom scenes.
So I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about when you say the devs don't care about the route. Hell, I literally am an Mdom. Anyone who knows me can confirm I never shut up about going to this kink event or having just bought that piece of fetish gear.
Take the goblins. I'm not going to go into sprcifics, but the entire thing is split down the middle, with actually slightly more Rowan dominant coded scene then Rowan bottom coded scenes (although we wanted to ensure Rowan bottom players got plenty too).
Like, bro. Bro. Broooooooooo.
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I mean- there is obviously a reason I like the routes you write best. When you get to go ham and write Maledom content for Rowan it is awesome. Liurial's content is so fucking awesome. You also make a good point about LA in relation to hiring you so I partially rescind my comment. But honestly, it still doesn't change my general perception of the game's overall vibe, intent, or trajectory.
I'll look forward to that male-dom goblin content in the steam release.
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ok i admit ive not gone through all over 100+ pages of this thread but the cheats you talk about and all ive seen spoken off so far seem all for the PC version of this wonderful way to spend our time but what about the android version for those of us on the go? lol are such options still a thing? ill try to come back on here more but if possible if you very smart people out there have the answer please hit me up at lonewulf75 at gmail ill look forward to hearing from you =) happy gaming everyone =)
As far as I know the main method of unlocking the console, UnRen.bat, doesn't have any sort of Android version or equivalent. And you also can't just easily edit the script files to enable the console, because apk.
It might be possible to just change the files in the PC version as you normally would, then convert it to an apk yourself. Or change the PC version, then play that PC version on your Android device using JoiPlay. That said, I don't play Ren'py games on Android, so I can't comment on if either of those methods would work or how easy/difficult they'd be if you aren't used to those options. (And a brief check of Google suggests it might not be possible to bring up a keyboard screen in Ren'py in at least one of those instances, meaning you might also have to use a keyboard peripheral of some sort.)
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i appreciate the fast replies ive been getting both on here and in PM..the reason i do ask about android is i do these AVN's more on my android than my pc...ive spent too many hours sitting at a PC through the years in my younger years pulling all-nighter's gaming and now that im older my back just cant do it for more than an hour or 2 at a time anymore. sucks getting old lol so for me its just easier to kick back and chill and have fun on my android. with the right one you can do Almost anything
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The constant shrieking over the mdom vs. NTR shit is kinda annoying because it is so rare that a game has well-written NTR, can you just let it slide? Please? I mean, mdom (either in soft or hard forms) has always been the most common genre of not only hentai games but all pornography in general. Good, well-written NTR is so fuckin' rare. And besides, Rowan-focused sex is still the main focus of this game anyway (even if that "main focus" is a 60/40 split or whatever), and so there's a helluva lot of mdom content that comes out of that as a result.
I'll be honest: I play this game only for the Alexia content. I became a Patreon sub only for the Alexia content. I suspect that at least 30% to 40% of the player-base is in the same camp. Frankly, I don't give a fuck about Rowan — if I want to watch a buff dude bang the shit out of some chick, I'll just watch ExploitedCollegeGirls or some shit. But to each their own, y'know? It is what it is. And while I do advocate for more Alexia content in this forum (okay, I do post some dumb shit as well but that's for jokes), you don't see me getting all mad and writing paragraphs and paragraphs every update about how the devs don't give Alexia enough attention. I've noticed that the NTR gang tends to be very chill and subdued outside of the mandatory "more Alexia content!" one-sentencer posts. You bide your time and wait, because you know that this is a big game with a lot of routes and a lot of fetishes, and that's fine.
I mean, if you're not into the NTR, you're within your rights to advocate for more mdom. You're within your rights to talk shit and make jokes about the NTR gang being a bunch of cucks and so on. But I've noticed that the anti-NTR gang has a tendency to get angry in a way that's kinda wild and get all up in everyone's faces about it. It's a little ridiculous and it sucks the air out of the conversation in this thread.
This post isn't pertaining specifically to the recent conversation about Rowan's height either, but I've noticed that this is a recurring thread that I've noticed since I became a fan of this game.
I'll be honest: I play this game only for the Alexia content. I became a Patreon sub only for the Alexia content. I suspect that at least 30% to 40% of the player-base is in the same camp. Frankly, I don't give a fuck about Rowan — if I want to watch a buff dude bang the shit out of some chick, I'll just watch ExploitedCollegeGirls or some shit. But to each their own, y'know? It is what it is. And while I do advocate for more Alexia content in this forum (okay, I do post some dumb shit as well but that's for jokes), you don't see me getting all mad and writing paragraphs and paragraphs every update about how the devs don't give Alexia enough attention. I've noticed that the NTR gang tends to be very chill and subdued outside of the mandatory "more Alexia content!" one-sentencer posts. You bide your time and wait, because you know that this is a big game with a lot of routes and a lot of fetishes, and that's fine.
I mean, if you're not into the NTR, you're within your rights to advocate for more mdom. You're within your rights to talk shit and make jokes about the NTR gang being a bunch of cucks and so on. But I've noticed that the anti-NTR gang has a tendency to get angry in a way that's kinda wild and get all up in everyone's faces about it. It's a little ridiculous and it sucks the air out of the conversation in this thread.
This post isn't pertaining specifically to the recent conversation about Rowan's height either, but I've noticed that this is a recurring thread that I've noticed since I became a fan of this game.
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Good news. We're giving you more Alexia NTR this update.
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That's awesome. Though, I wasn't making that post to advocate for more Alexia either.
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Personally, I have a diverse palate when it comes to content preferences. Though for me it tends to come in waves, were I'm really into one kink for a while before moving on to something else. Sometimes I'm into NTR, sometimes I'm into mdom, sometimes fdom, sometimes I get into futa, sometimes I just want something wholesome and vanilla. Of course there are plenty of things that I never get into, but if those things are your thing more power to you. There are very few things that I absolutely cannot tolerate the existence of.
One thing that I don't think SoC gets enough credit for, is the diversity of its content. For all the hate it gets for NTR there really isn't any one content type that is overwhelmingly present over the others. But at the same time if you are really into one certain type of content the game could easily leave you wanting more as it moves on to other interests. Hence why we often see people begging for more of a certain type of content.
But I think the real problem is when there is a certain type of content that you really dislike, maybe even hate. Numerous studies have shown that our brains give more weight to negative experiences that to positive experiences, at about a 3 to 1 ratio. So when people play the game, and encounter the "negative" content that sticks in their memory far more strongly that the "positive" content they encounter. Therefore when they reflect on their experience they feel like the game was just full of that "negative" content. The "positive" content just seems so much less in comparison, and the "just okay" content is nearly completely forgotten. But if they were to actually count the scenes they encountered they would see that there wasn't nearly as much as they thought there was.
One thing that I don't think SoC gets enough credit for, is the diversity of its content. For all the hate it gets for NTR there really isn't any one content type that is overwhelmingly present over the others. But at the same time if you are really into one certain type of content the game could easily leave you wanting more as it moves on to other interests. Hence why we often see people begging for more of a certain type of content.
But I think the real problem is when there is a certain type of content that you really dislike, maybe even hate. Numerous studies have shown that our brains give more weight to negative experiences that to positive experiences, at about a 3 to 1 ratio. So when people play the game, and encounter the "negative" content that sticks in their memory far more strongly that the "positive" content they encounter. Therefore when they reflect on their experience they feel like the game was just full of that "negative" content. The "positive" content just seems so much less in comparison, and the "just okay" content is nearly completely forgotten. But if they were to actually count the scenes they encountered they would see that there wasn't nearly as much as they thought there was.
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Comparing the quality of MDom writing in SoC to the offal offered by a porno is laughable. Like- its not a fair substitution.
There are very few avenues to get high quality well-written MDom narrative in a fantasy 2dCG game. If you know of any let me know ^_^. You are right that there are plenty of crappy Maledom Pornos, but its not the same product at all. If we look at porno there are also plenty of crappy cuckoldry porno too- most of them have racial undertones.
I'm not taking umbrage with the fact that there is NTR in the game- though obviously I'm not a fan. My umbrage is specifically with how pathetic Rowan is- and its hard not to connect that fact to the concept that it enhances the NTR plot. Like, include NTR- its fine. But the other side of the equation shouldn't be so incredibly flaccid.
You are right, its hard to give a fuck about Rowan. He is spineless, weak, effeminate, passive, dominated; showing very little initiative to protect himself and the ones he loves, he always acts reactively to what other people do rarely ever taking any initiative. I thought he was going to cry like a baby at the end of the Rastdel plot- he just clammed down and took it like a bitch on every single route- his will to fight back was totally crushed. Maybe this is the lowest point on his timeline or something and he will get better post Rastdel after he has time to process or something- but its hard to think of him as anything but pathetic the way he constantly gets dumped on in SoC and how he reacts. He has some good Mdom content for sure- Liurial, Patricia, some of the Cla-min events, but unless it is specifically a MDom route - he doesn't feel dominant at all- he feels dominated.
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The way that Rowan is characterised logically flows from the premise of the game. He is kidnapped by demons who sexually exploit him and his wife. That is quite literally the opening premise of the game. It makes sense for him to act in a reactive manner because he's literally a prisoner. It makes sense for the mdom routes to have him domming "those weaker than him", as you say. I mean, what is he supposed to do, dom Andras?
Yes, this premise is conducive to Alexia's NTR route. I think that's the point. But a lot of the exciting tension of the plot revolves around how Rowan might be corrupted and how he might adopt many of the cruel dom-ish characteristics of his captor, Andras. The tension between Rowan's own position as someone being exploited and weakened by the NTR of his wife, and how he "takes out" his anguish by exploiting and using others, is what makes him interesting and compelling as a character. A great example of that is the Helayna plot arc, which is full of mdom (a lot of "training" and so on, a lot of Alexia getting cucked). I think these contextual elements are specifically what makes the mdom in this game spicier than other games. And if you are after mdom where the main character is just a one-dimensional buff meathead who bangs his way through a horde of submissive chicks — then you've got like ten or more fully-developed games in the Rance series that is just that and nothing else.
I don't give a fuck about Rowan because I don't really find mdom hentai very exciting in terms of me wacking my pee-pee, not because he isn't well-written. On the contrary, as I allude to above, he's very well-written.
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I would ask, what do you expect Rowan to do in his situation. He is surrounded by enemies, most of them are significantly more powerful than he is, they have is wife hostage, and they can instantly teleport either him or his wife back to them anytime they want. He can't act overtly because he can't trust anyone around him. The reason he doesn't seem dominate is because he is not in a dominate position because he is a prisoner an a slave. Honestly, I think the best move for him right now is to go along with them and appear to either be won over or broken, while watching for opportunities that he can take advantage of and building up a power base that he can eventually use against them all the while.
And I think he is potentially is doing a good job of that (player choices withstanding of course). There are several scene in which Rowan can undermine the twins' efforts, most of them are not in huge ways but that is because Rowan has been dealt a weak hand and the consequences of getting caught would be quite high. He has to try to keep his rebellions subtle and have plausible deniability should anything be found. Also he has been making great strides at making allies among his enemies. At the end of their act 1 arcs nearly everyone important in the castle see him as a friend, respect him, and/or love him. Of course he can't immediate weaponize those feelings. If you just started seriously dating someone and they asked you to help them over throw the government you'd probably back away pretty quickly. However most of these people are not particularly opposed to violence and are not overly loyal to the twins either. Another arc's worth of convincing and an offer of a better deal could go a long way to turning things around.
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Doming Andras? Hyperbolic! I dunno maybe in 10 years from now
Very articulate. I enjoy discussion with you.
So the argument is that he is very well written for the MC in a NTR focused plot? Yeah- I totally agree. That is pretty much my point as well.
My point was that the other side of the coin- the pathing where he resists, is heroic, dominates, gains power ect is underdeveloped. Like some of threads are all there- but its not bourne out in the narrative. Will we ever get that plot? Or will the game stay focused on these NTR and submissive threads. Rowan does so much losing you'd think he was on a weight-loss T.V. program
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No, the argument was that there is a lot of mdom but it is contextually specific to the plot of the game. It is not Rance-style mdom, but it is mdom nevertheless. And there is quite a lot of it.
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Good question. Lets think about that.
~Assign a guard/s he trusts to help look after his wife while he has to be gone.
~A job arc where Alexia could be close to Rowan when he was at Bloodmean
~A incredibly large suite of things he could have been doing during the Rastdel plot to lay groundwork for better outcomes. Rowan more or less basically did the Twins exact bidding in that plot- with the one exception of not always choosing the exact ally they wanted or using the power of the amulet on Patricia himself instead of for the twins.
~Tangible efforts to parse out what the powers of the amulets are. Such as communicating via a cypher with magic users he meets while exploring ect. There was one event related to this sort of logic in Bloodmean- but it made Rowan look like a moron more than it made him look like any sort of mastermind- which is what he is supposed to be.
~Gain some actually tangible degree of power.
~Rescue Emma from Orcaide.
I'm sure the writers could come up with even better heroic or resistance content- but that is just some stuff off the top of my head. Rowan is supposed to be this mastermind trickster- but he sure doesn't come off like one.
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I think there might be a bit of a miscommunication about what "mdom" means. The thing is culturally there as at least a slight level of mdom in most M/F pairings. Men fuck, women get fucked, sort of thing. In a number of his sexual encounters Rowan is the dominate partner simply by virtue of this fact.
But that is not the same as a Dom/Sub relationship in which the Dom is a man. As monk_56 has said there is a limited number in which Rowan is a capital D Dom. Liureal is obviously the main one, Helayna does have a path dedicated to this but it is not very developed (but that should be changing soon), There is a little with Patricia if you choose to mind control her, there is a tiny bit with Rowan x Alexia (but Monk hates Alexia), Cla-min I would argue is more just rough sex than an actual dom/sub situation.
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I mean, sure, okay. But I would argue that a lot of Rowan's encounters have dominating characteristics, though maybe that isn't capital D Dom, as you say.
That is kinda my point though: within confines of the plot, there isn't a lot of room for Rowan to be a capital D Dom in the style of Rance (I know I keep coming back to that example, but it is a good example of a classic fantasy mdom-focused game). But there are a lot of instances where Rowan is a dominant (or dominating) actor, or instances where Rowan exerts power through sex. The Helayna plot arc is a great example because on the one hand, you have him capital D Domming Helayna in a few scenes, but also, he exerts an emotional power over Alexia by cuckolding her (especially if you tell Alexia that you love Helayna). As a matter of fact, simply by virtue of the fact that Rowan is cheating on his wife and getting away with it in almost every sexual encounter, they're all "dominating" in that way — if you have NTR turned off, the game is played in such a way that Rowan continuously cuckolds Alexia, and she just gets sits in Castle Bloodmean and takes it.
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Oh, I fully agree. I'm largely of the opinion that Rowan's actions make sense for the situation he is in. I was just commenting on the reason why Monk was saying there was hardly any mdom and you were saying that there was lots of mdom. Essentially you are both right from the way you were defining "mdom."
I was just saying elsewhere, as much as people complain about arguing semantics, nailing down the semanitics is actually cruicial to having any real debate. When people aren't using the same definitions they end up just talking past each other.
Whether or not the game should have more mdom content is a fine debate, but it is a hard debate to have when each side has a very different definition of what qualifies as mdom.