Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.05 Dev] [Vénus Noire]

[T51bwinterized]

Also it's act 1. One of the things I've tried to do with the Liurial content. And I plan to do with Helayna, is that even a Rowan who is inclined towards being dominant is just not going to be practiced at more over S/m and Fetishistic BDSM type activities. Like with a gay Rowan, a Rowan who is being played as a Dom or Switch is learning about such things.

Thus, by act 2 and 3, a Rowan being played as dominant should be portrayed as more competent and more knowledge about such things, being merely being forceful.

 

[iamvenom]

Any help would be appreciated! Showed "goal2 failed", changed all the "goal2" to "1" and "goal2 faluire" to "0" and it went away. What actually happened here? What was I supposed to do with the "finances"? Both the castle money and personal money are all high so I'm not sure.

 

[Rein]

Hm, this isn't the first time this is reported. I'll try to figure out what's going on there when we do next release bugtesting.

 

[Semantics]

I would ask, what do you expect Rowan to do in his situation. He is surrounded by enemies, most of them are significantly more powerful than he is, they have is wife hostage, and they can instantly teleport either him or his wife back to them anytime they want. He can't act overtly because he can't trust anyone around him. The reason he doesn't seem dominate is because he is not in a dominate position because he is a prisoner an a slave. Honestly, I think the best move for him right now is to go along with them and appear to either be won over or broken, while watching for opportunities that he can take advantage of and building up a power base that he can eventually use against them all the while.

And I think he is potentially is doing a good job of that (player choices withstanding of course). There are several scene in which Rowan can undermine the twins' efforts, most of them are not in huge ways but that is because Rowan has been dealt a weak hand and the consequences of getting caught would be quite high. He has to try to keep his rebellions subtle and have plausible deniability should anything be found. Also he has been making great strides at making allies among his enemies. At the end of their act 1 arcs nearly everyone important in the castle see him as a friend, respect him, and/or love him. Of course he can't immediate weaponize those feelings. If you just started seriously dating someone and they asked you to help them over throw the government you'd probably back away pretty quickly. However most of these people are not particularly opposed to violence and are not overly loyal to the twins either. Another arc's worth of convincing and an offer of a better deal could go a long way to turning things around.

One complaint I had early (Which has been heavily addressed by newer and re-worked character arcs, but still exists in general) is just that Rowan should have plans, and let the player in on those plans so that it seems more like he's at least trying to set things up to help his cause, even when things don't work out.

Rastedel's Werden plot is a great example of that. Rowan never really thinks about his plan before or after his choice to support Werden. And given

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Rescuing Delane from the Orc camp is another one. It could very easily have been played as a choice to collapse all the orc plots against each other and weaken an ally without (hopefully) anyone knowing, but as I recall the writing is pretty much just that Rowan is just doing it because he's hero, and refuses to let Delane suffer their various planned fates. There's no real planning or thought process involved. And while that's a good enough meta reason for me since she's one of my favorite characters, it doesn't feel like great reasoning from Rowan, someone darn-near worshipped by the Goblins for his planning and trickery.

Those are the big ones, but just in general it sometimes seems like Rowan isn't even trying to come up with plans and ideas for everything and that everything except character arcs just kinda fall into his lap. ...And I'll note that while he realizes the potential of winning allies to his side, he's often not the start of those plots. They often also fall into his lap at the start (Cliohna wanting a sample, Jezera trying to use Shaya to influence him, Liurial searching for a dom), and he just runs with them after that.

Hopefully the second look at Rastedel content actually makes choosing Werden a bit more transparent, not that I'll ever know. And hopefully the Goblin allies questline coming up involves Rowan actually plotting and planning. But there are definitely ways to make Rowan SEEM more in control (He has a plan!) without him actually BEING in control (The Twins knew about his plan and/or the plan mostly failed!)

 

[monk_56]

One complaint I had early (Which has been heavily addressed by newer and re-worked character arcs, but still exists in general) is just that Rowan should have plans, and let the player in on those plans so that it seems more like he's at least trying to set things up to help his cause, even when things don't work out.

You raise several good points.
I think the Shaya plot was a good example Rowan "having plans" being well executed narratively. He was deliberate, thoughtful, and deductive in the meta-plot. You did actually get to feel like he was smart and being active. Or you could go the other path and die on a petard of your own horny in the femdom route of the plot if you preferred that.

 

[4rtimos]

EVeryone's arguing about whatever while I'm just sitting here freaking out about One Piece chapter 1044 spoilers while also patiently waiting for artwork to accompany Cla-Min's impregnation scenes.

man, even on a pirated porn game site I can't escape this, seriously.

 

[lockerxx]

Also it's act 1. One of the things I've tried to do with the Liurial content. And I plan to do with Helayna, is that even a Rowan who is inclined towards being dominant is just not going to be practiced at more over S/m and Fetishistic BDSM type activities. Like with a gay Rowan, a Rowan who is being played as a Dom or Switch is learning about such things.

Thus, by act 2 and 3, a Rowan being played as dominant should be portrayed as more competent and more knowledge about such things, being merely being forceful.

curiosity any change that my rowan makes his personal harem in the game.yep i am that simple.

 

[monk_56]

curiosity any change that my rowan makes his personal harem in the game.yep i am that simple.

Not sure when the last time you played was.

There was one new piece of MFF art with Rowan and x2 goblins.
The MFF scene with Liurial x Alexia x Rowan got a makeover and is written significantly better.
There will also be a MMM scene + Art in the next release if you are going for gay harem vibe.

But no- not really any developments for harem kink. A few 3somes tho.

 

[lockerxx]

Not sure when the last time you played was.

There was one new piece of MFF art with Rowan and x2 goblins.
The MFF scene with Liurial x Alexia x Rowan got a makeover and is written significantly better.
There will also be a MMM scene + Art in the next release if you are going for gay harem vibe.

But no- not really any developments for harem kink. A few 3somes tho.

ok is going there.

 

[Oriandu]

Everyone's all "These are my kinks... let's argue about things." and I'm all "I just like nice artwork and well written scenes."

Well... and shortstacks.

 

[comp240]

Checking in 6 years later. Is the wife's NTR/corruption story complete?

 

[NewTricks]

Checking in 6 years later. Is the wife's NTR/corruption story complete?

It is not complete but it has advanced. There are jobs she can do around the castle that have very interesting corruption storylines and love affairs ongoing.

 

[Semantics]

You raise several good points.
I think the Shaya plot was a good example Rowan "having plans" being well executed narratively. He was deliberate, thoughtful, and deductive in the meta-plot. You did actually get to feel like he was smart and being active. Or you could go the other path and die on a petard of your own horny in the femdom route of the plot if you preferred that.

Absolutely. Shaya isn't one of my favorite characters, but her plot is absolutely fantastic for feeling like Rowan is actually using his head, putting a plan together, and trying to execute it.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

You are right, its hard to give a fuck about Rowan. He is spineless, weak, effeminate, passive, dominated; showing very little initiative to protect himself and the ones he loves, he always acts reactively to what other people do rarely ever taking any initiative. I thought he was going to cry like a baby at the end of the Rastdel plot- he just clammed down and took it like a bitch on every single route- his will to fight back was totally crushed. Maybe this is the lowest point on his timeline or something and he will get better post Rastdel after he has time to process or something- but its hard to think of him as anything but pathetic the way he constantly gets dumped on in SoC and how he reacts. He has some good Mdom content for sure- Liurial, Patricia, some of the Cla-min events, but unless it is specifically a MDom route - he doesn't feel dominant at all- he feels dominated.

In Act I is innevitable to see Rowan mostly at this perspective, as the so call "Hero" just go dumb to save his beloved one just to be him the one to saved makes you question how the hell his enemies and the entire nobility was inferior to him in the previous war; from my POV the main problem with Rowan is that he just go around too dumb to give him credibility. It wasn't a joke when i compared Rowan with John Daggett from Batman:TDKR in the scene with Bane about who's in charge after Rastedel, Rowan really seems to thought that for some reason he could influence or have some under control the Twins because of his services and achievements; people responding that Rowan is like Bruce in the prison (rising), sorry, but right now he's literally John Daggett without power over Bane, in this case The Twins. I think the game doesn't establish a route for the "nage" or "uke" (the one who do an act and the one who recieve the action in japanese) because it's intended to give the freedom to choose a role or another, so the experience depends entirely of the player (except for Rastedel because Rowan there is John Daggett X'D). To see Rowan in a more dominant role, maybe we must need to wait half or end of Act 2, that i consider the most probably scenario for the Rowan as a Bruce in the prison from Batman:TDKR.

About the rest i don't care too much about how dominant he is or not, it's about his actions to find a way out Because the more close Rowan was nearly interest seriously in getting free was when inspecting the collar, after choose being a coward or being discourage, the rest of Act I is basically nothing more aside from the discovery of Nasim with Rowan of a source of power (in which he even molest to think in free himself or his wife but use against The Twins without thinking if it'll not have consequences if something happen to them while both are under their power). How Rowan as a peasant could surpass his enemies and the entire nobility before SoC events?.

Finally, if Rowan want to look more male, then he'll need to ask for Nasim, as he could know about to change his look just as Shaya did lol

 

[T51bwinterized]

You raise several good points.
I think the Shaya plot was a good example Rowan "having plans" being well executed narratively. He was deliberate, thoughtful, and deductive in the meta-plot. You did actually get to feel like he was smart and being active. Or you could go the other path and die on a petard of your own horny in the femdom route of the plot if you preferred that.

Absolutely. Shaya isn't one of my favorite characters, but her plot is absolutely fantastic for feeling like Rowan is actually using his head, putting a plan together, and trying to execute it.

When I took over Shaya, I sat down with the charachter and tried to decide what core appeals of her charachter is. I found that her nature as spymaster and someone who'd have an agenda in interactng with Rowan led to a lot of room for espionage and mystery elements. When designing stories for pre-existing charachters, it's all about finding what kinds of conflicts and modes of engagement jive with the charachter.

I think the fact that she's really closed off emotionaly, especially in act 1, along with the fact that she's a charachter who clearly "belongs" to someone else means she will never be the most popular character.

One complaint I had early (Which has been heavily addressed by newer and re-worked character arcs, but still exists in general) is just that Rowan should have plans, and let the player in on those plans so that it seems more like he's at least trying to set things up to help his cause, even when things don't work out.

Rastedel's Werden plot is a great example of that. Rowan never really thinks about his plan before or after his choice to support Werden. And given

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Rescuing Delane from the Orc camp is another one. It could very easily have been played as a choice to collapse all the orc plots against each other and weaken an ally without (hopefully) anyone knowing, but as I recall the writing is pretty much just that Rowan is just doing it because he's hero, and refuses to let Delane suffer their various planned fates. There's no real planning or thought process involved. And while that's a good enough meta reason for me since she's one of my favorite characters, it doesn't feel like great reasoning from Rowan, someone darn-near worshipped by the Goblins for his planning and trickery.

Those are the big ones, but just in general it sometimes seems like Rowan isn't even trying to come up with plans and ideas for everything and that everything except character arcs just kinda fall into his lap. ...And I'll note that while he realizes the potential of winning allies to his side, he's often not the start of those plots. They often also fall into his lap at the start (Cliohna wanting a sample, Jezera trying to use Shaya to influence him, Liurial searching for a dom), and he just runs with them after that.

Hopefully the second look at Rastedel content actually makes choosing Werden a bit more transparent, not that I'll ever know. And hopefully the Goblin allies questline coming up involves Rowan actually plotting and planning. But there are definitely ways to make Rowan SEEM more in control (He has a plan!) without him actually BEING in control (The Twins knew about his plan and/or the plan mostly failed!)

I somewhat agree with that. There's a certain tension between wanting to make things SURPRISING and the fact that players should be kept informed of Rowan's intentions if they want to roleplay him. I'm not happy with where I ended in that regard when it came to Werden, in hindsight. I would expect some changes to that in the edits.

curiosity any change that my rowan makes his personal harem in the game.yep i am that simple.

Yeah kinda. I reworked the Liurial threesome to be much more heavily *about* Alexia accepting Rowan keeping other lovers. The X'z material has expanded the idea of open relationship elements. And in the past year, there's been much more effort to have Cla-Min, Shaya, and Draith enter into more stable and specific sexual dynamics with Rowan.

 

[NewTricks]

This is a really intriguing conversation but it seems to be swinging between two extremes. It kind of ignores the existence of a middle ground playthrough where Rowan is just trying to stay as true to his wife as is possible in his circumstances while Alexia tries her best to avoid corruption. Not to say that this is the happiest playthrough, as you will have to do unkind things like refusing to help other women who the twins will abuse if you don't claim them. You may also have to do things that will result in you or your partner being punished. But it is the median between the extremes of maledom and NTR fetishes that seem to be the crux of the conversation. I found it fairly easily achievable, and content that I was not seeking avoidable. I do not begrudge others the content that doesn't necessarily float my boat. If someone is more interested in Alexia's NTR corruption route or having Rowan play Johnny Appleseed with his penis during his long forays outside the castle, more power to them. If somebody else wants them both to turn gay, I'm sure that will be an amusing playthrough. It just doesn't strike me as an either/or proposition or justify how heated the rhetoric has been. The design of the game is such that you may not get the path you want but you will certainly get the one you deserve.

 

[bobi121]

T51bwinterized can i ask three questions? Will we be able to have children with Jezera as Rowan? Or Greymane with Alexia? Will we be able to interract with them? I just made Cla-Min preggo. I love such mechanics.

 

[iainmore]

175 cm (or 5 ft 8.8) in seems to be pretty close to average in the English speaking world.

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I suspect that Rowan was designed to generally to be very average in appearance.

There aren't really that many places that are "signifgantly" taller on average. (I'm defining significant as at least 2 inches taller)

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I am 6 ft 3 inches tall and 220lbs to go. I am a gentle Scottish giant though. Rowan is a puny wuss.

 

[monk_56]

This is a really intriguing conversation but it seems to be swinging between two extremes. It kind of ignores the existence of a middle ground playthrough where Rowan is just trying to stay as true to his wife as is possible in his circumstances while Alexia tries her best to avoid corruption. Not to say that this is the happiest playthrough, as you will have to do unkind things like refusing to help other women who the twins will abuse if you don't claim them. You may also have to do things that will result in you or your partner being punished. But it is the median between the extremes of maledom and NTR fetishes that seem to be the crux of the conversation. I found it fairly easily achievable, and content that I was not seeking avoidable. I do not begrudge others the content that doesn't necessarily float my boat. If someone is more interested in Alexia's NTR corruption route or having Rowan play Johnny Appleseed with his penis during his long forays outside the castle, more power to them. If somebody else wants them both to turn gay, I'm sure that will be an amusing playthrough. It just doesn't strike me as an either/or proposition or justify how heated the rhetoric has been. The design of the game is such that you may not get the path you want but you will certainly get the one you deserve.

"Johnny Appleseed with his penis"
This was a hilarious line. Just spreadin' 'seed' accross the nation friends! You've just created a plot-line for your very own Parody VN!

TBH that median you described is basically how I play Rowan already. With the exception of a few of the NPCs. I wish there was more poly + consent content- it is the best stuff. This whole Telenovela of the MC characters mutually cheating on each-other isn't really my vibe either. Sexual drama isn't that interesting to me- there is already an abundance of it in real life; I can call my sister if I want to get some juicy gossip. I much prefer the fantasy elements, which could never occur in the real world. All the battles, intrigue, power dynamics, metaphysic, lore-building, and finding an interesting narrative balance between heroically resisting and submitting to chaos ect.

As of the Liurial threesome rework you can now have two Poly relationships in SoC and not have Rowan or Alexia cheat at all- I think that is very great!

It feels like folks keep jumping to the wrong conclusions about what I'm saying about Rowan.

My issues with Rowan not feeling dominant are not me wanting him to be like miniature Andras or Rance per-say; a cruel and manipulative rapist who just dominates and fucks whomever he wants- I hate content like that. Just for Rowan to be more powerfully portrayed in his narrative and consent content- and for there to be more *tasteful* Maledom content eventually were the Sub and Dom have a healthy mutually agreed on dynamic, such as Liurial. Probably some of Hel's content will be like that- after she gets out of that rather uncomfortable dub-con phase where she is made somewhat mindless by that ring. I am interested to see what Winter does with that- Hel trying to rationalize her feelings about what happened to her is going to be quite a conversation.

True hope = some sort of semi-benevolent overlord pathing; ya know.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

In Act I is innevitable to see Rowan mostly at this perspective, as the so call "Hero" just go dumb to save his beloved one just to be him the one to saved makes you question how the hell his enemies and the entire nobility was inferior to him in the previous war; from my POV the main problem with Rowan is that he just go around too dumb to give him credibility. It wasn't a joke when i compared Rowan with John Daggett from Batman:TDKR in the scene with Bane about who's in charge after Rastedel, Rowan really seems to thought that for some reason he could influence or have some under control the Twins because of his services and achievements; people responding that Rowan is like Bruce in the prison (rising), sorry, but right now he's literally John Daggett without power over Bane, in this case The Twins. I think the game doesn't establish a route for the "nage" or "uke" (the one who do an act and the one who recieve the action in japanese) because it's intended to give the freedom to choose a role or another, so the experience depends entirely of the player (except for Rastedel because Rowan there is John Daggett X'D). To see Rowan in a more dominant role, maybe we must need to wait half or end of Act 2, that i consider the most probably scenario for the Rowan as a Bruce in the prison from Batman:TDKR.

About the rest i don't care too much about how dominant he is or not, it's about his actions to find a way out Because the more close Rowan was nearly interest seriously in getting free was when inspecting the collar, after choose being a coward or being discourage, the rest of Act I is basically nothing more aside from the discovery of Nasim with Rowan of a source of power (in which he even molest to think in free himself or his wife but use against The Twins without thinking if it'll not have consequences if something happen to them while both are under their power). How Rowan as a peasant could surpass his enemies and the entire nobility before SoC events?.

Finally, if Rowan want to look more male, then he'll need to ask for Nasim, as he could know about to change his look just as Shaya did lol

(full disclosure I haven't seen TDKR so I'm sorry if I miss some nuances with the comparision)
I think up until Rastedel it was fully reasonable for Rowan to believe that he could manage the twins. Up until that point it seemed he had largely been able to do just that. They seek his advice on a wide range of matters and thus far they'd always followed the advice that he gives them. They let him deside how to take any given village, they let him decide how to recruit troops, they let him decide their military stategies, hell they even let him decide the leadership structure of their whole society.

In fact, they even let him decide how they are going to take Rastedel. The twins really wanted to sack the city, but Rowan is able to convince them to let him try to take the city peacefully. But the thing is they REALLY wanted to sack the city. So they were already primed to find any excuse for why it wasn't good enough. I'm willing to bet even if he had come to them with 90% of the city the results would have been pretty similar. Even when everything went wrong he was able to take back control of half the city in just one night, which was an impressive feat in its own right. He probably could have given then the whole thing in less than a week. But instead they took the oppertunity to do what they always wanted to do in the first place.

I think that Rastedel was a wake up call for Rowan. He didn't have nearly as much control and influence as he thought he did. I think a portion of his shock is simply that he had so poorly misjudged the situation.