Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.05 Dev] [Vénus Noire]

[Deathstar1200]

Naah bro, you can't blame her for being captured. It was Rowan, a so called great adventurer that was tricked like a child and then overpowered and rendered helpless. Twins came for him, not for Alexia, she is just a collateral damage. SO the least he could do for her is trying to rescue from Bloodmeen. Yet you are picturing it like she went on a trip and such an ungrateful and unfaithful wife. And you are missing the point, that if she is not cheating for fun, then it's a high chance that she was raped. Then maybe punish the rapist and not the victim?

I am not suggesting that Alexia is at fault for being captured. However, it is possible for Rowan to perceive her infidelity as a betrayal. In his mind, the one important thing he held dear, his wife, was taken away from him. Additionally, Jezera could manipulate Rowan into believing that Alexia willingly participated in cheating. This could lead Rowan to blame his wife. This scenario may not be the most logical, but it could be a possible outcome given Rowan's corruption.

The game offers many options to tailor the player's experience. It is important to remember that there is not one specific way that infidelity or Rowan's reaction to it could be portrayed in the game. I am simply proposing one potential scenario among many others. Some players may not be interested in the hardcore cucking aspect and prefer a more mild version. Others may choose to punish the twins and/or Alexia, or not at all. The possibilities are endless.

 

[Big Green]

I am not suggesting that Alexia is at fault for being captured. However, it is possible for Rowan to perceive her infidelity as a betrayal. In his mind, the one important thing he held dear, his wife, was taken away from him. Additionally, Jezera could manipulate Rowan into believing that Alexia willingly participated in cheating. This could lead Rowan to blame his wife. This scenario may not be the most logical, but it could be a possible outcome given Rowan's corruption.

The game offers many options to tailor the player's experience. It is important to remember that there is not one specific way that infidelity or Rowan's reaction to it could be portrayed in the game. I am simply proposing one potential scenario among many others. Some players may not be interested in the hardcore cucking aspect and prefer a more mild version. Others may choose to punish the twins and/or Alexia, or not at all. The possibilities are endless.

Didn't you say before that all thss happens when he gets her back? I mean he already kind of did, living in the same room and all, but i assume you are talking about when he dealt with the twins in the end. So how could Jezera manipulate him then? I doubt that he would listen to her nonsense at this point. Plus i told you it's very stupid to blame Alexia, given the place she was held hostage and it's residents, and as i remember you didn't want just a simple cheating plot.

But then again i admitted before, that this shit can happen in the evil path. But in my opinion he won't care about Alexia that much. Just imagine how many girls he will have at his feet. So the real ntr moment (with tears and cuck boners) we can have only in the good path and then he will not punish, but idk abandon her or somethig like that. Something along the lines of: "Get out of my sight you filthy whore", and she will be a meat toilet for the rest of her life.

 

[Oriandu]

Well, so are the chads in general so i'd say, if the shoe fits...

I dunno, chads usually at least have a few things going on in their brains at any given time. Andras has at most two.

 

[ffive]

Let's be real, it's obvious that the whole ntr theme is not optional and it was planned from the very beginning.

But it literally is optional -- you can disable NTR elements from the game altogether.

 

[GrandPaBrowning]

I can't imagine Andras would take shit from Alexia in given choices. Like lol, if he wants to fuck her, he will. She has no say at all in Bloodmeen, if we take the story and it's theme seriously of course.

That's not in his character. He is brutish and often gets things relatively easy due to being a practical superhuman. But he wants some sport, something interesting. Just forcing Alexia is boring to him.

 

[Big Green]

But it literally is optional -- you can disable NTR elements from the game altogether.

You can but it won't make sense. She is in the demon castle, not in the Disneyland.

That's not in his character. He is brutish and often gets things relatively easy due to being a practical superhuman. But he wants some sport, something interesting. Just forcing Alexia is boring to him.

That's why after he got bored with games he forced himself on her. He is also very impulsive and impatient character. If not for optional stuff, by the end of act 3 Alexia would have a gaping abyss between her legs, the same size as the pit in Rowan's dream.

 

[Deathstar1200]

Didn't you say before that all thss happens when he gets her back? I mean he already kind of did, living in the same room and all, but i assume you are talking about when he dealt with the twins in the end.

No, I didn't mean it that way. It would not just make sense.

I mean evil Rowan could be very possessive and consider Alexia his property. That is a valid path imo. By the way, the idea that Rowan could get rid of her like that is pretty interesting.

 

[ffive]

You can but it won't make sense. She is in the demon castle, not in the Disneyland.

It may not make sense to you, but it's optional just the same. There's no point in claiming that it isn't. And the way the game is written does have to take it into account, otherwise it risks ending up broken for people who do disable this path.

 

[Big Green]

No, I didn't mean it that way. It would not just make sense.

I mean evil Rowan could be very possessive and consider Alexia his property. That is a valid path imo. By the way, the idea that Rowan could get rid of her like that is pretty interesting.

Yeah, well that can work, but only if she cheat on him after he got all powerful and stuff. If she still fucking behind his back by that time, then yes the whole punishment business makes sense. But i think he will be so corrupted already, that he won't bother about this whore. Maybe even drop her along the way throughout act 2.

It may not make sense to you, but it's optional just the same. There's no point in claiming that it isn't. And the way the game is written does have to take it into account, otherwise it risks ending up broken for people who do disable this path.

My god, i know it's optional in the game. It was made for snowflakes, that for some reason came to play a dark corruption themed game and wanted to have rainbows and unicorns.

 

[Rivina]

You can but it won't make sense. She is in the demon castle, not in the Disneyland.

Sure it does, it means that in that game Alexia simply makes better decisions. Decisions that she can still make in the NTR-enabled version.

Alexia: Dafuq is that noise?

A) Go into Andras' bath to see what he's doing and get coerced into giving him a handjob
B) Don't be stupid and just leave him alone.

Alexia: Screw this shit, I'm outta here.

 

[Big Green]

Sure it does, it means that in that game Alexia simply makes better decisions. Decisions that she can still make in the NTR-enabled version.

Alexia: Dafuq is that noise?

A) Go into Andras' bath to see what he's doing and get coerced into giving him a handjob
B) Don't be stupid and just leave him alone.

Alexia: Screw this shit, I'm outta here.

If only she was not a ntr magnet herself. She can't leave her chamber without someone assaulting her. And as i said she is just a useless housewife and can't do shit if being forced. Ah wait of course in this game she can just tell them to stop and then lustful demonic beasts will just stop and say: "Understandable, have a nice day."

 

[Oriandu]

If only she was not a ntr magnet herself. She can't leave her chamber without someone assaulting her. And as i said she is just a useless housewife and can't do shit if being forced. Ah wait of course in this game she can just tell them to stop and then lustful demonic beasts will just stop and say: "Understandable, have a nice day."

You sound like you're trying to defend your rape fantasies without straight up saying that you are.

 

[Big Green]

You sound like you're trying to defend your rape fantasies without straight up saying that you are.

Haha, yeah sure. I personally don't like Alexia that much. I'm more of a Rowan being solo mc kinda guy, but i just know her real role in game and not delusional like some guys here.

And don't forget, kids: Rape in general is a very bad thing. Don't try this at home.

 

[ffive]

but i just know her real role in game and not delusional like some guys here.

Alexia's "real role" is, just like Rowan's, to participate in whatever story the player wants to have. People who want a story with NTR can have it. People who want a story with consensual sharing can have it. People who want a story of a faithful pair keeping it together in face of adversity can also have it. It's why you're given a choice instead of things just happening in fixed manner.

(well, i guess people who want a rape story can't have it, so it might make them rant about delusional snowflakes. Oh well)

 

[manscout]

I'm waiting until the conclusion of the goblin arc to do a big replay of the game so things might have changed and my knowledge of the game is simply outdated, but I get where Big Green is coming from. The game still operates as a porn game meant to sexually satisfy the player first, occasionally prioritizing that over a 100% cohesive storyline. Despite the dark story and extremely imoral characters, there's little or no depiction of absolutely non-consensual sex acts without the player directly supporting it through their choices (yeah there are like over a dozen scenes where characters didn't want to do it but, even if not necessary, the villains always mindwash/mindbreak them into wanting it before the scene goes forward).

As for the NTR thing, I'm sorry but I have to agree that, at least back when I played, Alexia's plot and narrative were pretty much barebones without it. I was always confused when people referred to her as a "second protagonist" or a "deuteragonist" when a lot of her events went more or less like this: "Alexia thought about doing something, but then she realized that to go forward with it, she would have to come within the general vicinity of the Twins or some other overtly sleezy character. So instead, she chose to go back to her bedroom and sit on her thumbs for the rest of the week".

The storyline of Alexia or Rowan not cheating on each other was underdeveloped when compared to the alternative, which is understandable since porn game, but that's part of the reason why I have been wanting them to settle on some kind of open-relationship arrangement since forever so they can do more in the story without it being cheating on each other (mainly why I'm excited to check out X's and Greyhide's reworked content when I get to replay).

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

To me it make perfect sense why Andras isn't just raping Alexia whenever he feels like. As mentioned she's just some farm girl. There are a million of them out there that he can fuck when ever he wants. She isn't what either twin actually wants, she is just a means to an end and that end is Rowan's servitude.

However Rowan's service is contingent on Alexia remaining unharmed. If your just going to rape her regardless of his actions, there is no reason for him to keep working for you. They need to be able to hold that threat over him to ensure his compliance.

That said, knowing that they can't have her actually makes them want her all the more (and in Andras' case he likely also wants to prove that he is the most alpha, because he is clearly has daddy issues). They can't just take her, because she would just tell Rowan what happened and everything falls apart. But if they were able to seduce her or otherwise make it seem like it was her own choice...well then they could have her and she would be incentivized to keep her infidelity secret from Rowan, the best of both worlds.

Of the two, Andras is by far the most blunt in his attempts. He regularly implies that there will be consequences for Rowan if she refuses him, or lets her know that he could just take her if he wanted so she might as well just give in.

But when push comes to shove, whenever sh sticks to her guns ans says no regardless of any threats, Andras always backs down. Not because he secretly has a consent kink or anything. But in the end, some random farm girl pussy isn't worth blowing up all their plans for.

 

[Big Green]

Btw on a side note: does fae plot requires a good Rowan playthrough?

 

[Rein]

Despite the dark story and extremely imoral characters, there's little or no depiction of absolutely non-consensual sex acts without the player directly supporting it through their choices

SoC does not have rape, will not have rape, and does not need rape. You can write a dark story with corruption elements without noncensual content.

That's how it is, and it will not change.

Btw on a side note: does fae plot requires a good Rowan playthrough?

It does not. It's open to all Rowans.

In fact, certain elements of the plotline directly support Evil, Dom Rowan. More to come.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

SoC does not have rape, will not have rape, and does not need rape. You can write a dark story with corruption elements without noncensual content.

Offer only valid for specific definitions of rape.

In all serious though while the game doesn't explicitly include successful rape by force, i does include both drugging and mind altering magic in order to impair the ability to consent, as well as coersion and threats of violence to encourage compliance. Depending on the jurisdiction, those can count as rape.

 

[Big Green]

SoC does not have rape, will not have rape, and does not need rape. You can write a dark story with corruption elements without noncensual content.

That's how it is, and it will not change.

What do you call it then, when orcs capture and breed women? Spreading love?