But only that can't explain why would be the reasons for a mere human without too much knowledge or education less devotion to a some kind of "Lawful Good" Divinity to be rightful and pure in a place were degrading and corrupting acts are near in every corner, just doesn't make sense... Moreover, you are talking of Andras provocations to alexia not the entire Bloodmeen over Alexia... Even the nuns in the random events in the very same fucking churches can't avoid been corrupted, how would Alexia stand a chance?... Being pure and saint in Bloodmeen, as i said is like the cristal snowflake kid who doesn't step against his bullies and just wait for adult response... Good Luck with that...
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You don't need devotion or education to simply not want demon cock in your orifice, especially if you happen to despise that person. It's just a matter of personal preference.
Nuns are easy prey for demons because they have limited if any experience with sex, so any sort of contact is a big deal they don't know how to handle. In contrast this isn't Alexia's first rodeo.
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The issue is that Andras was often depicted as the polar opposite of self-controled, calculating, and rational. Guy often makes the absolute brashest and most impulsive decisions just to paint himself as some kind of "big man" (daddy issues like you said). And obviously a lot of his insecurities are targetted at Rowan, the guy who was involved with killing his dad. In Andras' mind humiliating Rowan is simultaneously a way of protecting his own ego (as in, avenging his father) but also asserting himself as "bigger" than his old man (overcoming Rowan is a way of indirectly overcoming his own father).
Andras' initial interest on Alexia is much more about getting one over Rowan than any direct interest in Alexia herself, and everything about his character seems to indicate he would have no moral qualms with lack of consent. Now, yes, Andras and Jezera absolutely need Alexia relatively unharmed to keep Rowan under their heels, but the fact that Andras never falters or slips on his duty of not harming Alexia is what feels a bit out of character considering his impulsive and violent tendencies. I do agree rape would be going too far, but I feel like he takes Alexia's rejection (which is essentially a denial to his thirst for revenge against Rowan) way too well given how the rest of his character is established. Story-wise I think it would make sense for him to demean, molest, and/or grope Alexia when she rejects him, specially once it becomes clear his attempts at seduction are not going to pan out.
I just want to preface that I'm not asking the game to change on that rule. If you don't want to explicitly depict rape on your story then power to you (but with the overwhelming amount of otherwise brutal and extremely dubious consent nature of so many scenes in the game, it comes across like the strict cut around direct rape is more a matter of optics/censorship than any kind of moral stance by the developers, even if the intention was genuine).
The issue is only that if you're gonna make an adult game with a heavy focus on sexual content and strongly imoral themes, omitting/censoring rape as a story-element leaves a narrative gap. It is not an unworkable problem and you can absolutely craft a great story while skirting around it, but it takes careful work to make it so the absence of rape or other forms of non-concensual content doesn't stick out.
I'm sure eventually you can write some piece of backstory content that will explain why Andras might be secretly against rape even if he threatens it (something something his mom was raped by his father and he witnessed it and was traumatized by it/he believes a "real" man wins by getting a woman without resorting to rape) or whatever other explanation for why he is a massive bastard except in this one thing. But until then it will just feel a bit out of place with the rest of the game's universe.
Also Rein weren't you the one bragging a couple pages back about how you were the one who came up with the Delane content at the end of Werden's route? About how there "had to be consequences" for the player disobeying the twins and trying to be good? Feels a bit funny for you to go from that to "oh Alexia honey, all you have to do is just say 'no' to unwanted sexual advances, nothing bad will happen from that
"Oh yeah... Don't forget two things, one she is there for "x" months before Rowan's entering Bloodmeen and after all... both (Rowan and Alexia) have been in Bloodmeen over the course of a year... Enough time to develop Stockholm Syndrome. Have a nice day.
You know Stockholm Syndrome is made up thing that doesn't really exist, and even presuming for the sake of argument that it does, it requires crucial component that is both the hostage and the terrorist to have common, external threat/enemy to bond over... i.e. something which does not exist here? Have a nice day indeed.
Delane is a side character the twins (and writers) can punish with impunity. She's not Alexia who is the sole reason Rowan is doing their bidding rather than show them middle finger.Also Rein weren't you the one bragging a couple pages back about how you were the one who came up with the Delane content at the end of Werden's route? About how there "had to be consequences" for the player disobeying the twins and trying to be good? Feels a bit funny for you to go from that to "oh Alexia honey, all you have to do is just say 'no' to unwanted sexual advances, nothing bad will happen from that
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Ehm, exactly what?
Soooo, like Orcaid content, Helayna content, that scene with dryad...
Or was it a joke and I've just lost my sense of humor?
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It is really not an all or nothing thing. Would Andras doing something like pushing Alexia up against a wall and groping her against her consent really be the breaking point where Rowan goes like "yeah you have gone too far, now me and Alexia will commit to a suicide pact"? Or do you think that's what would finally make Rowan stop trusting the Twins from taking things farther than what they had agreed to, when they often break their word with him on several other matters and could still threaten to do much worse things to both him and Alexia?
And again, the issue isn't that what you're saying isn't rational, but that you're attributing it as a strong enough motive for Andras to finally become a mostly reasonable actor, when he is often the opposite just to flex.
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I just want to preface that I'm not asking the game to change on that rule. If you don't want to explicitly depict rape on your story then power to you (but with the overwhelming amount of otherwise brutal and extremely dubious consent nature of so many scenes in the game, it comes across like the strict cut around direct rape is more a matter of optics/censorship than any kind of moral stance by the developers, even if the intention was genuine).
The issue is only that if you're gonna make an adult game with a heavy focus on sexual content and strongly imoral themes, omitting/censoring rape as a story-element leaves a narrative gap. It is not an unworkable problem and you can absolutely craft a great story while skirting around it, but it takes careful work to make it so the absence of rape or other forms of non-concensual content doesn't stick out.
I'm sure eventually you can write some piece of backstory content that will explain why Andras might be secretly against rape even if he threatens it (something something his mom was raped by his father and he witnessed it and was traumatized by it/he believes a "real" man wins by getting a woman without resorting to rape) or whatever other explanation for why he is a massive bastard except in this one thing. But until then it will just feel a bit out of place with the rest of the game's universe.
Also Rein weren't you the one bragging a couple pages back about how you were the one who came up with the Delane content at the end of Werden's route? About how there "had to be consequences" for the player disobeying the twins and trying to be good? Feels a bit funny for you to go from that to "oh Alexia honey, all you have to do is just say 'no' to unwanted sexual advances, nothing bad will happen from that
I'm pretty sure it is mostly a legal statement for the purposes of publicly stating that they are complying with Patreon's terms of service.
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Oh hecking heck! I should've guessed! That thing strikes again! Censorship!
A damn rabbit whole of pros and cons that no one really sure about. Like paperwork! Can't go without it, can't have fun with it!
It might. The thing is, the twins don't know that and it's not really worth it to check that. It's a game of chicken and the twins would rather swerve than risk it for what's ultimately just one pussy out of millions, attached to not even all that attractive woman in late 30s. You don't even need to be all that rational to make the correct choice in such situation.
The perceived threat to survival, the belief that the captor is willing to end the life of the hostage, the perception in captivity of some small kindness on the part of the kidnapper within a context of terror, the isolation and the conviction that it is impossible to escape could explain this "syndrome"... Some Psychologist have the theory that this condition may appear in stressful situation when the victim have too much contact with their captors, but at the same time cognitive biases do their work in this traumatic situations allowing understanding and empathic with the captors... This kind of condition may appear in sexual abuse, sect members, couple violence, war prisoners and so on...
If you want to justify things in common Alexia could have with their captors... Can be name for start since the Nobility until Rowan... The first because they not only give the back to her husband in most situations but they are more occupied with politics than in the safety of the realm, moreover, any attack to Bloodmeen would mean a treat for Alexia too, it is implied by Rowan himself that he even committed acts during war that would be criminal... Besides, Andras can show her how in Bloodmeen there's not only demons but an abundance of other many species, including humans who long to live a better live, Bloodmeen gather people who want better conditions instead of a static society where most of the ppl just born and die poor for the sake of a minorities who maintain control by force.
The second, is something the game is yelling to us whatever option we take, Alexia want a child and Rowan isn't the most willing husband in history to get the shit done
They couldn't and they will not be... That option was left behind since the beginning, specially for Rowan, his only one true good option was to not work for them, whatever happened to Alexia is just a blackmail to do a greater evil with his help and self damnation, his self subjugation for the sake of the story of 3 Acts (that only the first is in a practical sense done) is in essence the beginning of the corruption of the Hero, who in his selfish thought to save someone precious to him, he will condemn himself and the world in the process. The twins wants Rowan because they acknowledge his success during the War against their Father, making him a valuable asset for their plans, but they aren't too dumb nor less too desperate to push Rowan in comply their objectives if Rowan fail them, he'll be death (yes you can have a perfect game over if you don't reach main goals).
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No value judgements being made one way or another, but this game objectively has rape scenes. Lots of them. The fact that it doesn't have a rape tag is an oversight. The idea that anyone is consenting to sex with that wump wump tenticle thing is absurd. There is also no mind control tag, which is what what what?
I am guessing the "no rape" is why the initial sex scene between Andras and Alexia was rewritten
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yes the game has definitely rape and it's laughable to state otherwise.
but the devs won't acknowledge it, nor change anything about it, because of patreon reasons.
mind you, i'm all for no actual rape in porn, since my biggest kink is consent, as absurd that may sound. but trying to adhere to patreon and trying to create a grim world like SoC wants to be, makes some rather funny situations, as the people in the face of terror are supposed to enjoy being forcefully taken. this makes the atmosphere from time to time unbelievable, to the point being comical and therefore destroying the immersion. there are lots of examples, though the probably biggest offender in that regard is Andras, as his character becomes in his motives and appearance self-conflicting.
so while i completely understand and personally endorse the no-rape-policy, it does hurt the game. and that gravely i might add, as one of THE two big antagonists, Andras is practically centered arround it.
Excuse me, but do someone have a list with the new CG that will come in the next version? Id like to replay it asap but if any of the incoming scenes are interesting to me I can wait.
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