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Well the later already happened so it kinda has to. Im worried its just gonna be another half handful again.
Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.05 Dev] [Vénus Noire]
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By Useless text i mean the games just goes on and on for like tens of thousands of words for small insignificant activities & side quests that have almost no impact on the story .
Also, it been quite a while for this game , and any sort of Upper hand for MC is still "faaar" into future ?
So I like this game. The character's are pleasing and unique compared to each other , the art style is nice along with the coloring being done really well in some pictures, the story is well written and holds my attention but there is three complaints I have against this game. (this is going to be long)
1. Random events. So personally speaking I find this to be the most annoying part of the game. The reason being that I have been denied content because of this RNG BS plenty of time's for example whenever I go to the big orc camp and I want to see the pregnant lady the problem is that the chance to see her must be incredibly slim I spent over 20 minutes of save scumming to try and get that event until I eventually gave up on that event completely and that's not the only example for another one I only got to see that dranonic horse creature in the bar ONCE in my 5 playthrough even after going to the same exact spot over and over again to try and trigger it or when I wanted to get that village with the two lady's i couldn't trigger it either I don't know if they removed those scenes or they are going through rewrites but whatever all this RNG events just encourages save scumming and forces the Devs to make copious amounts of content to supply the player with different events every time all over the entire game but if they just had few interesting locations or special events that are clearly marked on the map they could probably cut back some work time developing thousands of random events. Also its pretty hard to plan when events are random never know if I'm going to need strength or climbing for events
2. Is corruption really necessary. Ok so I don't know if this is controversial but I find the corruption system stupid and limiting. There has been dozens on times where I have been locked out of choices because I was being to much of a jerk or too nice which isn't a great feeling because Corruption is really vague I never know when there Is choice I missed because of this system or what my corruption level is actually at or how much I need or don't need to get to the get the option to pick something. Not only that it hampers roleplaying for example I was trying to play a rowan stanchly against the twin but also do whatever necessary to get a leg up so everything is going fine I'm ready to assault the city and I want the wardens daughter but oh no my corruption isn't high enough to sleep with her. This made literally no sense I've did the deed with many other characters, tricked others, stole, killed but sleeping with the wardens daughter is way to evil I guess?! its just really limiting and annoying and it doesn't seem to offer much other than putting you on a more linear path for your character. Though for alexia it works pretty well since she doesn't make any major descion's and just changes her behavior slightly and how she views things making her more dynamic and interesting character than others also it seems it doesn't really force you down anything even when I had her at high corruption she still wasn't forced to sleep with andreas I still could keep her loyal or do whatever
3. I feel the game is lacking an optimal outcome path. okay So before I begin No im not advocating for a one path that is obviously better than anything else that would be boring. But what I am advocting for is there should be a path for good and evil algined characters to get a best result. Why you may ask and the reason being isbecause it gives the player satisfaction and a sense of triumph its also really nice to feel that going the extra mile was actually worth it and encourges the player to do more than just clicking through the game. So the reason I think this is a issue was the recent goblin update. So before that I had concerns during the big orc camp quest so I decided to help the noble lady to escape but before that I tried to help the camp and interact with the village so after doing that stuff, I saved the noble lady but then i lost half the tribe and was banished from visiting I thought that Sucks because the only way to even visit anymore was to not rescue her which I wasn't going to do There isn't even an option to sneak in but I thought that was fine because she was the main cause for the conflict and that was a punishment for my choices so I brushed past it. But my issues really started to arrive when I went to blackholt or whatever the goblin place is called. im going through the motions, I meet secretary goblin like her character and tries to be nice but she wants to kill her sister I don't want that to happen so I stop it but now secrtary goblin hates me which kind of sucks I had no option to to convince to her, or resolve the dispute without destroying our standing between each other which is pretty lame to be honest This encounter would be much more interesting if you say the right options, have a skill check or even get info from someone else to convince her without ruining our friendship and then if you fail that then give the conquence's it would be my own fault and it encourages me to do more and engage with the story so I can get the better outcome. but its still in development so I cant judge it to harshly But i want to bring this up to the devs anyway so they can avoid this if possible. I just don't want radestal to be like oh you chose that the chancellor that means the city is definingly going to burn regardless of your prepping or because you chose option A that means you cant do anything with option B C D and option E is going to die by getting their nuts eaten by geckos. I think it should be more like you chose option A but if you get a good skill check or made this choice while doing the prep work you can still interact with B and C still.
overall I do like this game I could Make another three paragraphs about how much I like this game But I really wanted to post my complaints with my reasoning on why properly. Sorry If I come across as rambling or crazy but I was bored and decided to do his on whim. even if nothing changes or people don't agree with me that's fine I don't dislike the game even with my complaints.
1. Random events. So personally speaking I find this to be the most annoying part of the game. The reason being that I have been denied content because of this RNG BS plenty of time's for example whenever I go to the big orc camp and I want to see the pregnant lady the problem is that the chance to see her must be incredibly slim I spent over 20 minutes of save scumming to try and get that event until I eventually gave up on that event completely and that's not the only example for another one I only got to see that dranonic horse creature in the bar ONCE in my 5 playthrough even after going to the same exact spot over and over again to try and trigger it or when I wanted to get that village with the two lady's i couldn't trigger it either I don't know if they removed those scenes or they are going through rewrites but whatever all this RNG events just encourages save scumming and forces the Devs to make copious amounts of content to supply the player with different events every time all over the entire game but if they just had few interesting locations or special events that are clearly marked on the map they could probably cut back some work time developing thousands of random events. Also its pretty hard to plan when events are random never know if I'm going to need strength or climbing for events
2. Is corruption really necessary. Ok so I don't know if this is controversial but I find the corruption system stupid and limiting. There has been dozens on times where I have been locked out of choices because I was being to much of a jerk or too nice which isn't a great feeling because Corruption is really vague I never know when there Is choice I missed because of this system or what my corruption level is actually at or how much I need or don't need to get to the get the option to pick something. Not only that it hampers roleplaying for example I was trying to play a rowan stanchly against the twin but also do whatever necessary to get a leg up so everything is going fine I'm ready to assault the city and I want the wardens daughter but oh no my corruption isn't high enough to sleep with her. This made literally no sense I've did the deed with many other characters, tricked others, stole, killed but sleeping with the wardens daughter is way to evil I guess?! its just really limiting and annoying and it doesn't seem to offer much other than putting you on a more linear path for your character. Though for alexia it works pretty well since she doesn't make any major descion's and just changes her behavior slightly and how she views things making her more dynamic and interesting character than others also it seems it doesn't really force you down anything even when I had her at high corruption she still wasn't forced to sleep with andreas I still could keep her loyal or do whatever
3. I feel the game is lacking an optimal outcome path. okay So before I begin No im not advocating for a one path that is obviously better than anything else that would be boring. But what I am advocting for is there should be a path for good and evil algined characters to get a best result. Why you may ask and the reason being isbecause it gives the player satisfaction and a sense of triumph its also really nice to feel that going the extra mile was actually worth it and encourges the player to do more than just clicking through the game. So the reason I think this is a issue was the recent goblin update. So before that I had concerns during the big orc camp quest so I decided to help the noble lady to escape but before that I tried to help the camp and interact with the village so after doing that stuff, I saved the noble lady but then i lost half the tribe and was banished from visiting I thought that Sucks because the only way to even visit anymore was to not rescue her which I wasn't going to do There isn't even an option to sneak in but I thought that was fine because she was the main cause for the conflict and that was a punishment for my choices so I brushed past it. But my issues really started to arrive when I went to blackholt or whatever the goblin place is called. im going through the motions, I meet secretary goblin like her character and tries to be nice but she wants to kill her sister I don't want that to happen so I stop it but now secrtary goblin hates me which kind of sucks I had no option to to convince to her, or resolve the dispute without destroying our standing between each other which is pretty lame to be honest This encounter would be much more interesting if you say the right options, have a skill check or even get info from someone else to convince her without ruining our friendship and then if you fail that then give the conquence's it would be my own fault and it encourages me to do more and engage with the story so I can get the better outcome. but its still in development so I cant judge it to harshly But i want to bring this up to the devs anyway so they can avoid this if possible. I just don't want radestal to be like oh you chose that the chancellor that means the city is definingly going to burn regardless of your prepping or because you chose option A that means you cant do anything with option B C D and option E is going to die by getting their nuts eaten by geckos. I think it should be more like you chose option A but if you get a good skill check or made this choice while doing the prep work you can still interact with B and C still.
overall I do like this game I could Make another three paragraphs about how much I like this game But I really wanted to post my complaints with my reasoning on why properly. Sorry If I come across as rambling or crazy but I was bored and decided to do his on whim. even if nothing changes or people don't agree with me that's fine I don't dislike the game even with my complaints.
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Consider that in this Dark Fantasy world in which both are trap as hostages and put to work for their enemies, they are visiting a gynecologist to have their baby (something that even Nasim doesn't seem to be really exited with the idea to involve Chaos Magic in the process, something that i will enjoy a lot in the future). Would you consider your girlfriend or wife NTR you when she tells you she need a date to the gynecologist?. If the answer is yes, then probably you have seen too much JAV movies about gynecologist helping wifes to be breed pal, i'm sorry.
Well, everyone has noted this for a long time ago, there are annoying events with Andrass involved early that need strength or a high diplomacy, if Rowan isn't successful, he or Alexia pay the consequences (and many times in a sexual way that as a player never intended in the first place). Over the map i do not care too much personally, but sometimes get annoying but is more sad when this event relies only in pure dice luck (randomize) when they could added some actual battles to some orc savages, thieves, animals and monsters, to add more dynamic and bestiary that could built more the world itself, but they preferred to adhere to be as most VN textual as possible, giving some dynamic by random possibilities in which Rowan will be successful or not. Many complaint here in the past of why Alexia has so many decisions that at the end will not change the dynamic of how Rowan works, well that must be because it will become more important in the future, given the state of their relationship a key role, but perhaps Rowan could rely into others by building relationships and deals with others, but in essence, the feeling of reward those Alexia Corruption Events could be an obstacle for the player as Rowan's Companion could in essence betray him in the future, it's like ruining your own playthrough by passing from hard to suicidal mode (but her porn is good).
I'll tell this, normally Dark Fantasy settings invites you to give in into your more inner deeper savage dark desires, doing so usually give short rewards with a high demand in the future, is not usual that this setting have happy endings with ppl with their hands taken chanting kumbaya, that will not happen, and every near "good" ending will never be complete satisfactory, the path for that is hard with lil rewards and painful in the end. If you have pay attention, this game, whatever the path you take seems it will not end well, a famine is beginning and the reason is not only by the war Da Twins began but by the abuse of magic that it's draining the life of the world itself, so even if Rowan and Alexia are virtuous and righteous as possible at the end of this whole saga of three games, it will not be complete satisfactory and you would end anyway taking bad decisions because Da Twins will not giving you more choices than that which will making you a bitter victory for the "good" side (if there's a "good" side because this is still a Dark Fantasy setting, being evil or good it doesn't mean that high powers that could manifest later will comply or be in alignment in what Rowan and Alexia could consider "good" or even you as a player consider "good").
Regarding events that doesn't trigger, it depends about your luck and the corruption the character have, the thing is the game have so many events that are mainly random, that the time given to make them appear have become short, as you stated some are random while visiting the towns, but others are inside Bloodmeed that only activates every week, and there are events that are bugged to the point to break all old savefiles or still need a rewrite or a change in art, we all hope for the best they fix them as most as possible to enjoy them. If you want a more Corrupted Rowan, steal every time you have the chance, cheat Alexia as there's no tomorrow, confess to her your love for Helayna, corrupt your wife by having a threesome with X'zaralt and later with Liurial, kill your mentor, fuck everything (alright, if your not into gay things, then fuck everything that looks as female, orcs, elves, dryads, including X'zaralt and specially the female driders), corrupt, seduce, enslave and kill if you have the opportunity, laugh as a madman during the preparations for Rastedel.
Well, as i said, never expect a sense of hope nor triumph in a Dark Fantasy setting, what you can expect is for the worst, or a conclusion apparently "good" but that comes with a great pain anyway that feels still like losing. As SoC is intended, the paths are there but they are not very clear sometimes, and there will be events no matter you as a player can do will not have a satisfactory resolution as Rastedel is, with lil preparations, few allies, a lot of pressure because of a high demanding bosses and miscalculation. The same is with Tue-San, yes, she wants her sister killed, so?, what you must understand is that there are ppl who have their own interest and agenda, and if you put in danger that or betray them after having an agreement with them or evolving feelings with them, they will not by any chance getting in a good way nor will be in disposition to be with you as they could in the beginning because you ruined the relation, you can't have all in life, in Dark Fantasy settings this is like the bread of every day, more common and likely results of your actions (like in the real world but in this setting you must expect to be more pessimistic).
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Keeping everything aside , does Alexia needs to have sex with the Succubus Monster leader ? To gain her favor for Rowan in future against the twins ? Do I need to make Alexia have sex with everyone , does it effect the game ?
Cause all her (succubus leader) events are revolving around Alexia , WTH everyone's events are revolving around Alexia trying to fuck her ♂
Also , trilogy ? There going to be 3 games ? This being 1st ? Boy it'll take 30-40 years and probably won't happen.
But Idea of another game is good after the 1st act (whatever it is) as bugs can be fixed and better game can be made. Because the bugs and things your and the comment above have mentioned regarding Random events, etc can't be fixed in this game anymore , too much time and resources will be needed.
I hope this 1st ACT wraps up soon , cause as frustrating as the writing is some times , the game is solid , I just hoped it wouldn't lean so much towards NTR.
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Fucking with X’zaratl only rises demon's influence on Alexia (
AlexiaXzaratlInfluence) and her corruption. It has minor impact on the game atm (just opens route to futa Alexia and 3somes with the demon). About the future - nobody knowns but the devs (although many may like to speculate about it).Sure it does, at least to some extent. But again - nobody knows how exactly.
You're an optimist.
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That's like, 50% of the problem right there.
The other 50% of the problem is that Jezera has more random events that involve Rowan, compared to random Andras/Rowan events. So going into Andras/Rowan the writer was basically writing the the entire chain from scratch, where's Jezera also has certain events, like Jezera is Stressed, or Rowan is Stressed, or the Village Enslaving reward, that while not part of the main route still contribute to her plotline.
Also, Andras chain is almost done, and Jezera/Rowan still has at least 3 big events to go. I simply have to write them
There is a set number of Orciad events. The more you explore the camp, the smaller the pool becomes, and the bigger your eventual chance of seeing the event.
Though if you are on medium corruption+ it's blocked, since the event is specifically written for low corruption Rowans.
I see, and agree with you.
Following Build 0.4 (out next month!) the event chain with Ygriss will be part of a structured plotline with set locations. It will be much easier to trigger her.
Normally I would agree with you, however:
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Well it's a shame you didn't.
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Rein you may have already answered this and I missed it, in which case apologies, but if not, could you elaborate on where and how to trigger the new Fae and/or Helayna content? Couldn't find it when loading up a playthrough, tried rummaging in the scripts but didn't know what events I was looking for.
Thanks!
Thanks!
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For Fae, finding Jezera in the castle map, then use the "visit" option. You need to select "???" to trigger Heartsong's dream, then you'll be able to visit the fae as normal.
For Helayna, the new content happens at Raeve and if you claim her. No fancy requirements.
No, it doesn't needed and it won't help Rowan in the future it just corrupt more Alexia if you leave Andras to do whatever he wants to her, it's the way Andras have to bother Rowan, if you want his favor, take conquest option as most as possible. bring high moral to the army, build a great army, defeat Chliona to give you what Andras demands and give a magic plus to the army, focus on give more power to the army, enslave as more as possible, kill as most as possible, all slaves that have the chance to fight in the Arena help them to have a proper combat, kill Torlene (that would enjoy Andras but real bad mistake for Rowan in the future as he could be a great ally), if Andras ask about how you like women you tell him you like them with fire in the eyes.
Everyone is at the expectation, we hope for the best.
Is finished, but as you mentioned and as i mentioned before, there are some bugs to be fixed, some events that need to be finally done and some reworking between mechanics and art.
It is not too much evident now but it can in the future as Alexia could become more independent and useful once Chliona teach her magic, how their relationship is in Act I may affect too much their collaboration in the future, just think in how Rowan and Helayna interactions are if Rowan decide to abandon her, when she recovers her consciousness she will ask him for help to escape, but Rowan cannot convince her to stay with him (as claim her works as near like confessing Rowan's love for her). The possibilities for Rowan and Alexia in the future depending on how degraded their relationship is in Act I will have repercussions in the future for sure.
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I mean I'd like too see Andras get Alexia pregnant by end of Act 1, to complete the direction that route going in, but I'd also like to see the possibility of Rowan getting Jeerza pregnant lil after or some time into act 2. Save Rowan x Alexia for end of act 2 to make it feel like an accomplished struggle. Only mentioned it cuz how and what Andras wanted from start of Act 1.
Lmao theres nothing cuckish bout game lol its more like husband and wife sleeping around unless you choose for one too be pure and other a slut. I think its the point of it lol every pure route you take leads too bad ending. I wouldnt be surprised if Rowan and Alexia become demon prince and princess. and enjoy causing chaos.
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I'm pretty sure he asked about X'Zaratl ("Succubus Monster leader"), not Andras.
Could be. Or not.
You're asking about CG Gallery, correct? (I just don't get how you tried to "setting them to true"?)
Python:
init 9999 python:
for gal_item in gallery_cg_items:
regular_gallery.button(gal_item + " butt")
regular_gallery.image(gal_item)
for gal_item in training_cg_items:
training_gallery.button(gal_item + " butt")
training_gallery.image(gal_item)You are right. My mistake i thought it was in reference of Andras Ntrsugar, well, i test before (once) to deny X'zaralt and as you stated, more of her events are related to the couple, but that's something that i didn't try later because you end seeing less content, it is indeterminate if that would help Rowan to gain her favor against Da Twins in the future, it is stated by Rein who is mainly the man of the Dev Team who show his face here and deal with us, iirc, he said that X'zaralt have in high regard the relationship between the couple by trying in her way to help them to compenetrate better in Bloodmeen, but X'zaralt as far as i know of her by all the events she's involved, her main reason to be in Bloodmeen is because Rowan is in there taking charge, she stated that she didn't trust in the capability of Karnas (Twins Dead Daddy killed [supposedly] by Rowan in a way that we don't know yet) and moreover she didn't trust in Da Twins capacity either but if Rowan is there she will serve, so, in a sense, it is possible, but we must have in mind that cubi works not only as some kind of "mages" but mostly as spies, so it could be risky anyway, more if you consider how lil we know about X'zaralt herself and her doing during the War of Karnas, after his demise and even now, why X'zaralt would be so interest in Rowan? he's still a human after all while in all that time she never tried to approuch herself to him by disguise or something (for whatever reasons, admiring, love... ), we know more and better about "the best friend" of Jezera than X'zaralt (but in her favor, the way she's written and described transpire a lot of sentiment, she's near like an open book but Rowan doesn't question her too much).
Fair, but it would be a waste of work for the Dev Team if Alexia in the future doesn't have an impact, i mean, they wouldn't put so much effort in writing and imagine different outcomes of the decisions she can make on her own aside of those who are taken by Rowan that ended affecting her and those who are taken as a couple, because those can make them grow each other apart from the other in a way irreconcilable, making more harder and discomfort the living in Bloodmeen, even if Magical Alexia never comes to see the light in the whole Saga of Chaos, Alexia as a character must play a major role in the future giving the focus to the player in decide the future of their relationship, because as some other members here in the past make clear, the game itself as it is right now in the first part Alexia doesn't have any impact at all whatever she do, in politics, economy nor even in the way the outcome in the conquest of Rosaria, all of her events could have been launched depending in how much Rowan is becoming more corrupt (as the pendant could influence her magically to make Rowan realize how his decisions can affect Alexia to make him suffer more could be a valid option for the Dev Team to make the player care of both and saving work from their part), but instead of that there's a lot of variables for both that makes different outcomes in this first part that will be the beginning of the next, so, if the player would want a more secure ally, care of Alexia would be the most wise and prudent choice.
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Unless the changelogs are realllly misleading the math doesn't math. I guess I can always unren and look myself in like 4 months when I play again. Its good that shes getting put in rotation again, even if its only 3.
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That's very helpful, thanks a lot. Do you know something that works for the scene replay as well?
EDIT: OK, nevermind, i just saw the "unlock" button .... /meblind