Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[Jynx_lucky_j]

So in other words no there is no female mc atleast as of yet.

It depends on on how you define it. If you are referring to the the "game" side of things then Rowan is certainly the main character.
But if you are talking about the "Visual Novel" side of the game then Rowan and Alexia are closer to equals, in that they are both the focus of a lot of scenes and you the player are privy you their internal monologues and get the choose the actions each of them take.
However, there isn't really a category for: there are two player controlled characters that you will switch between in depending on the scene and one of them happens to be a female. If it make any difference the developers have said they consider Rowan and Alexia to be co-protagonists.

 

[perles75]

I appreciate your rhetorical skills bro. Starting and ending with the same power line is always effective But I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment that "6 years. still in act 1" is a negative thing based on the team's circumstances or that the game is getting shredded on steam.
...

preach

 

[monk_56]

So in other words no there is no female mc atleast as of yet.

Alexia is more like a kink dump than an actual protagonist.
She is somewhat like a protagonist if you like specific kinks.
She has a two very robust NTR narrative arcs (like 20% of the game's art) and a general corruption arc- but other than that does very little character growth.
There is one very small series of events where she starts to learn magic.

I have very mixed feelings about her as someone who doesn't care for corruption narrative or NTR; If you don't like corruption narrative most of her plot is just her getting harassed which is very tedious and un-sexy.

She still has some good stuff- but she is definitely way more like a NPC than a protagonist- especially if you aren't into the aforementioned kinks.

She does have another arc coming up eventually though- so a guy can hope she gets some legit plot outside of her kink plot.

 

[Big Green]

Alexia is more like a kink dump than an actual protagonist.
She is somewhat like a protagonist if you like specific kinks.
She has a two very robust NTR narrative arcs (like 20% of the game's art) and a general corruption arc- but other than that does very little character growth.
There is one very small series of events where she starts to learn magic.

I have very mixed feelings about her as someone who doesn't care for corruption narrative or NTR; If you don't like corruption narrative most of her plot is just her getting harassed which is very tedious and un-sexy.

She still has some good stuff- but she is definitely way more like a NPC than a protagonist- especially if you aren't into the aforementioned kinks.

She does have another arc coming up eventually though- so a guy can hope she gets some legit plot outside of her kink plot.

+1. Can't really call her a protagonist character. Always thought her whole arc feels kind of forced. Personally, i don't like her that much and the whole Alexia's perspective is not that iteresting at all. Never understood how Rowan with a hero complex could abandon and betray his realm just because of her, it is more like a what if story plot. But the thing is she is forced 24/7 into narrative just because she is his wife. She is pretty yes, but very plain character wise.I don't get why every demon in the castle would be that interested in a farmgirl houswife.

So if you turn off NTR at the beginning of the game, she will be more like a nuisance in my opinion. And with NTR ON she is just a fan service character. But then again developers are trying hard to make her somewhat important.

 

[Deleted member 113137]

I dunno, i "love" Alexia and the way she is introduced, and i disagree with that she has no meaningfull Character-Development. It's only that the Focus is more on the "corrupt her" side than trying to advance here "pure" side, for obvious reason that the Game want from the beginning not be the super pure Game, but rather a evil and dark one where you see mostly the fall of the Hero and his Wife. I remember the early days when it pretty much got it's first release and the dev over and over stated that people shouldn't expect a too heroic story etc. And that's why i find Alexia fit's so perfect into the story, because it helps in terms of struggle of the Hero and the effects the sorrounding have. And i'm gonna be honest, Alexia content is often that stuff which i root for most updates. And i also agree with the people above who said she is still kinda a protagonist/co-protagonist.

Alexia is more like a kink dump than an actual protagonist.
She is somewhat like a protagonist if you like specific kinks.
She has a two very robust NTR narrative arcs (like 20% of the game's art) and a general corruption arc- but other than that does very little character growth.
There is one very small series of events where she starts to learn magic.

TBH, if we go by that logic, majority of Porn-Games don't have actual Protagonists, because majority of Protagonists(Male and Female) kinda force you into one direction which you have to follow, and even if there are choices, quite often they aren't as fleshed out as these specifics. If you involve NTR into it even more, due how different that direction takes. I mean how often do you think do i have to play a Protagonist which play the same alpha-male energy of pervert who needs to be the dominant role? You can't play the more introvert, shy or passive guy. And if we go back to the NTR topic or "pure" topic, you are quite often limited in that regard as well. There are only very few Games (like twist) which have a more open approach where you have more impact in character growth towards having a more love or corrupt route, and for the latter if you are more of a swinger / Sharer or we really gets cucked / ntr'ed. I find in the "porn-game" industry is still a lot left open to enhance, even for the best examples. But the Fact that a "Protagonist" is pushed towards a specific direction (and some people personally don't like the direction) doesn't make it less a protagonist, otherwise we only would play NPC in majority of games.

Maybe I am wrong. But I think the needle for the game should be pointing up. They have a lot of positive momentum and things are starting to come together.

I agree, SoC have made quite a progress from the very beginning, a lot of them is even the "hidden" stuff which irons out gameplay mechanics and such. I feel like Porn Games in general have a big Problem if it comes down to "Gameplay" and "Build-Ups" because to be fair, quite alot of People simply want to enjoy a smut game, and that's where i can see people have a Problem with, if it takes too long to get to this point, or if a Game gets to grindy or chore to play. I myself hope in the end SoC will be in that regard in the end a more ironed out/smooth experience because right now i'm at a point, due how often i had to start over and stuff, that i can't get myself up to enjoy it anymore and are quite happy that some fans are up to do gallery mods, because i still love the scenes(and i talk specific scenes, not only the "pictures"...thats why a proper Gallery is important for me in Porn Games because i want to read/see the scenes because they add some flavor to it) or offer a more "streamlined" optional mode where you can as Player who prefer to go more directly for the smut a better experience.

I've invested $100 into the game so far as well-

In all honesty i'm quite happy about people who want to fund these stuff, i myself can't because i'm simply too boomer for that and prefer to have a single premium price(that's why i'm happy everytime a Porngame gets released on steam, i got myself a copy of SoC on steam already and i can also deal with it when devs decide to delay the update for a month for steam owners due they don't constantly support each month the game with money... but devs should be atleast consistent on that).

 

[SpoiledPrince]

I, for one, think Alexia brings a lot to the table. She is the main reason for Rowan to join the Twins, a fragile person he has to protect from the rest of the world, and a sort of morality pet.
They led a very simple life devoid of any ambitions, far truer than what he would have had with a lady from the court or other interested parties. She didn't use him for social climbing or political alliances. After a long period of adventures, he longed for peaceful stability, and he seemed happy before they took it from him along with his wife.
Now he's forced to travel through a hostile land filled with mythological and horny creatures that want a piece of him, recruiting them by hook or by crook (often with his penis).

But Alexia is no Penelope. She doesn't have to reject every and each suitor's advances as her husband plows half the continent's holes because of old-time misogynistic morals. She's dutiful, not stupid. The longer Rowan is away from her arms, the more she starts contemplating the idea that maybe he's not acting with her best interest at heart... so she doesn't have to bear his.
Not every fantasy woman has to revel in the idea of being the first mate among many other pokemon-ish vaginas in a harem, because he's oh-so-alpha. Nope. She can stray and find her own strength and allies, and that's something 99% of other games don't dare to offer: a female with her own agenda looking for herself first.

She even doubts her husband's sexuality, which is a no-no for most Devs, in fear of a backlash. SoC is that brave a game.

I hope there will be a route offering an ultimate showdown between Roman and his allies and Alexia and hers, with Alexia in full villainess mode telling him he always underestimated her and cheated on his weak, ignorant, shy wife disregarding the storm brewing in her eyes every time he put his cock where it shouldn't be and made a mock of their marriage. Now she's his equal and will make him pay for her constant humiliation...

 

[360 Danny DeVitos Later]

So I haven't played for a while did Cla-Min, Helayna and Liurial's stuff get a rework? I vaguely remember it been mentioned. Quite like them so may have a play through next update if it's happened.


Ah see there was more “drama” . I have never seen so many hissy fits as on this site; like clockwork on certain threads. People mistake it for porn twitter or something. With how much wanking the people on here do you'd think they'd be less frustrated.

 

[Big Green]

But isn't it for a player to decide if Rowan plows that holes or not? You are bringing your personal playthrough into this i guess, but you can actually play very dutiful and loyal husbando, same goes for Alexia she can be very loyal waifu if you want her to be.

 

[Semantics]

So I haven't played for a while did Cla-Min, Helayna and Liurial's stuff get a rework? I vaguely remember it been mentioned. Quite like them so may have a play through next update if it's happened.


Ah see there was more “drama” . I have never seen so many hissy fits as on this site; like clockwork on certain threads. People mistake it for porn twitter or something. With how much wanking the people on here do you'd think they'd be less frustrated.

Helayna's content hasn't received a rework, but it has been mentioned as one of the upcoming focuses (Working on her Act 1 content, that is, not explicitly a rework.)

Cla-Min didn't get a rework (Though she did get a new scene recently), but her shop did.

Liurial has had a rework, both in terms of sex scenes and other scenes.

 

[SpoiledPrince]

But isn't it for a player to decide if Rowan plows that holes or not? You are bringing your personal playthrough into this i guess, but you can actually play very dutiful and loyal husbando, same goes for Alexia she can be very loyal waifu if you want her to be.

But she has the chance not to be, which is a rare thing. In fact, you can choose their relationship to be asymmetrical with her as the cheating part. She can also reject the sex and still betray him in some other ways, undermine his position, maybe even have some influence over the Twins, pushing her own goals as they think she completely submits to them. And said goals don't have to be Rowan's... or include him at all.
How many games offer you that choice? Not everything revolves around the sword-wielding hero and his conquests.

Once she gets her magic she will stop being such a damsel in distress and maybe get her own agreement with the overlords.
She's the one showing us the internal working of the castle, the relationship between the servants and the troops, the daily life and needs of less heroic people who still get the job done. I believe her connection with the help & staff will prove to be useful. That's why her perspective is necessary for the plot

I love that she's jealous, frustrated, hopeless at times. How she gets tired of waiting, working, being under powerful beings' thumb. The way she demands respect, looks for her place, and tries to make friends. It's really nice to see her considering abusing her power over others when given the chance to turn the tables on some people.
She's well written and her own character.

 

[Big Green]

But she has the chance not to be, which is a rare thing. In fact, you can choose their relationship to be asymmetrical with her as the cheating part. She can also reject the sex and still betray him in some other ways, undermine his position, maybe even have some influence over the Twins, pushing her own goals as they think she completely submits to them. And said goals don't have to be Rowan's... or include him at all.
How many games offer you that choice? Not everything revolves around the sword-wielding hero and his conquests.

Once she gets her magic she will stop being such a damsel in distress and maybe get her own agreement with the overlords.
She's the one showing us the internal working of the castle, the relationship between the servants and the troops, the daily life and needs of less heroic people who still get the job done. I believe her connection with the help & staff will prove to be useful. That's why her perspective is necessary for the plot

I love that she's jealous, frustrated, hopeless at times. How she gets tired of waiting, working, being under powerful beings' thumb. The way she demands respect, looks for her place, and tries to make friends. It's really nice to see her considering abusing her power over others when given the chance to turn the tables on some people.
She's well written and her own character.

But then again it is just an option in one of playthroughs. You can't define her like she's some kind of oppressed jealous thing in general. But the whole corruption theme is a thing.

So i still don't get why she is so special in your opinion. She is a plain and simple farmgirl. Take for example Rowan: a war hero, strong willed and cunning warrior that is falling from his grace. It is interesting to see his development and how he change. On the other hand we have Alexia: normal housewife with no real life experience, no achievments, no goals, nothing. How is that an interesting protag? even if she gets fully corrupted my reaction will be :"Oh well whatever". She had no personality to begin with so corrupting her is not that difficult and not that important.

 

[SpoiledPrince]

But then again it is just an option in one of playthroughs. You can't define her like she's some kind of oppressed jealous thing in general. But the whole corruption theme is a thing.

So i still don't get why she is so special in your opinion. She is a plain and simple farmgirl. Take for example Rowan: a war hero, strong willed and cunning warrior that is falling from his grace. It is interesting to see his development and how he change. On the other hand we have Alexia: normal housewife with no real life experience, no achievments, no goals, nothing. How is that an interesting protag? even if she gets fully corrupted my reaction will be :"Oh well whatever". She had no personality to begin with so corrupting her is not that difficult and not that important.

Until now she has been passively receiving the consequences of other people's decisions because she lacked all the things you mentioned in your post, but that ended the moment she was kidnapped. She has been given choices, discovered new skills, and found out there's more to life than being a simple housewife.
That chance was only given to her because of her relationship with Rowan, in order to hurt/manipulate him, that much is true, but what she does with it depends mostly on her.

Rowan also starts as a goody-two-shoes enjoying a bucolic country life, his glory days long gone. We're not given much information about his previous personality, so we can say he's as much of a blank slate as his wife is at that point.
We get to know them better through the playthrough, influencing some of the changes they experience and the people they become.
For example, we had no previous clue that Rowan liked men, and in some playthroughs he ends perking up at the sight of sweaty muscles or hard butts, eagerly taking part in gay encounters.

 

[Big Green]

Until now she has been passively receiving the consequences of other people's decisions because she lacked all the things you mentioned in your post, but that ended the moment she was kidnapped. She has been given choices, discovered new skills, and found out there's more to life than being a simple housewife.
That chance was only given to her because of her relationship with Rowan, in order to hurt/manipulate him, that much is true, but what she does with it depends mostly on her.

Rowan also starts as a goody-two-shoes enjoying a bucolic country life, his glory days long gone. We're not given much information about his previous personality, so we can say he's as much of a blank slate as his wife is at that point.
We get to know them better through the playthrough, influencing some of the changes they experience and the people they become.
For example, we had no previous clue that Rowan liked men, and in some playthroughs he ends perking up at the sight of sweaty muscles or hard butts, eagerly taking part in gay encounters.

So you are actually saying that we could pick any random human and they would be just as interesting as Alexia? Because it's all about being kidnapped lol. Then i vote for the village elder yet again.

 

[SpoiledPrince]

So you are actually saying that we could pick any random human and they would be just as interesting as Alexia? Because it's all about being kidnapped lol. Then i vote for the village elder yet again.

Have you seen Rowan doing anything no other human could have pulled off? When has he displayed an unseen strategic genius?

 

[monk_56]

Have you seen Rowan doing anything no other human could have pulled off? When has he displayed an unseen strategic genius?

Three Wars.
~The back story leading up the the original Siege of Bloodmeen.
~The one that is being re-worked- where Rowan and the Twins fight of an army heading southward towards Bloodmeen.
~Setting up the starting state of Rastdel- getting the city to fight itself was no small feat.

I'm not going to argue that the game has done the greatest job at highlighting Rowan's alleged prowess as a tactician or sneak- but there are strong elements of it woven in to the plot for sure.

Also there is this weird narrative thread where he is very magic resistant / iron willed. Not sure where that is going.

 

[errte13]

Also there is this weird narrative thread where he is very magic resistant / iron willed. Not sure where that is going.

I think it's the mage (forgot the name) who remarked that Rowan has some magic quality when he shouldn't have. The source of that is his wife who has untapped talent for magic.

 

[monk_56]

I think it's the mage (forgot the name) who remarked that Rowan has some magic quality when he shouldn't have. The source of that is his wife who has untapped talent for magic.

Yea as you said its definitely not magical.

You see a thread of it in the new opener when Andras bashes Rowan with magic and he is a bit hard to bring down - and then again in the Cilonia arc if you resist her.

W/e quality it is is definitely not magic (at least in the more standard sense). Since as you attested, Cilonia confirms he doesn't have magical ability. But he is still able to resist Cilonia- which doesn't make any sense to her. There is definitely some sort of sub-plot going on here with magic resistance or non-conventional powers - if it isn't the case Rowan is just the biggest Chad ever at being ridiculously stubborn.

 

[Big Green]

Have you seen Rowan doing anything no other human could have pulled off? When has he displayed an unseen strategic genius?

Already anwered by the 56th monk, but still let me add something. First of all obviously winning the war? Saying sayonara Karnas and sending him back to hell? Of course he was not like the one doin all that, but still he did help his team a lot with his wits and swordsmanship. So yes that alone is putting him way ahead of any other human being, let alone Alexia that was chilling in the village. And again if i do remember correctly his teammates were giving him high regard, even the powerful ones (he was even chosen by a saint). Then we have mentions of Karst of course and his defence and sabotage missions, goblins that worship him yet again for his cunnings. You just can't deny that he is somewhat special for a human (even tho he doesn't like it that much himself).

But that is all beside my original point. He did all that and he did see the life outside of his village. He has experience and has an actual well-established character. Because of that it is interesting to see what kind of man he becomes after his time under the twins. Alexia is more like an NPC character made very important just for the sake of some kinks. And i do believe that is actually what happened with her. It's up to you if you like her or not, but you can't deny their past like that and just tell us that kidnapping some weak human will turn them into something else entirely.

 

[monk_56]

So I haven't played for a while did Cla-Min, Helayna and Liurial's stuff get a rework? I vaguely remember it been mentioned. Quite like them so may have a play through next update if it's happened.

HeyA360 Not sure how long ago you played- but basically in the last two updates -->

Additional Cla-min narrative has been a nice change of pace from the usual oppression vibes you get in the game while playing on Rowan's side. Also the art was super-hot. Sommie's goblins are really exceptional.

The Liurial narrative is particularly compelling. So many vibes- so many options. Rowan x Jezera banter is often exceptional- and Liurial is adorable. You can fully explore the route without any sexuality as well which is rather nice as an option.

Draith's arc was also very well done. Not sure when you last played but it was basically finished out for Act1. Again, you can fully explore the route without being sexual, which I appreciate.

The art for Draith will take awhile to get done since gay content doesn't do very well in the patreon CG polls.

I'm guessing both the Cla-Min and Liurial arcs will have a finale this or the next release and should get their art relatively soon after that based on patreon voting. If you wait until March for another play-through I suspect you should get them in their full glory.

Lots of updated Hel art has been added- but the narrative content hasn't been worked on yet.

 

[OhAshenOne]

Anyone else having an issue getting the scene with Alexia and Andras at the start? When Rowan gets back from week 1 I get no choices for not sneaking out or telling her to do it with Andras. Rowan just shows up of his own accord and he tells her the truth and she gets angry and calls the night with Andras off. Did they change how this works or is the guide giving me info without the context of "The second time" or something?