Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[monk_56]

Neither the MC nor his wife have to cheat in any circumstance. If someone you don't want to have sex with asks, just say no.

Honestly the developer didn't really even need to include the "No NTR" option at all. Every sex scene is optional and they are well telegraphed before you make you choices. There are only two reasons for people to complain about NTR in this game. Either they are just clicking through the options with out reading any of the text, or they got tempted and regretted their choice in their post-nut clarity.

For being a castle full of evil demons they seem to be pretty big on consent.

You're generalizing. I complain about NTR vibes in the game I read EVERYTHING and I never choose the NTR specific paths.

The game absolutely needs the toggle and I am grateful it has one- sure you are never "forced" into any NTR options- but the vibes and energy still bleeds through narratively. It isn't like the gay content where if you aren't interested in it- it doesn't get slammed in your face constantly. The NTR "feel" is very aggressive.

The disable NTR option doesn't just remove the NTR option buttons- it also tones down some of the conversations that have really cucky vibes and a bunch of the other scripts.

I'm paraphrasing here- but an example from in game:

Jax / Inidarah Voyeur scene
Jax to High corruption Alexia: "Next time I am going to go over there and split you in half"
High corruption Alexia in Jax Voyour script with NTR on: "I cannot wait for you to fuck me"
High corruption Aleixa in the Jax Voyour with NTR off: "Eh, would she allow it?"

It isn't like the option does nothing- it literally changes text in the story beats. It also straight up removes some events from the story queue.

I think its disingenuous to tell the people who dislike NTR the experience is the same with the toggle on vs off, that the button isn't necessary, or that "they are just clicking through the options without reading any of the text, or they got tempted and regretted their choice in their post-nut clarity" and that is the only possible way to be upset about NTR in the 'stock' game. The experience really isn't the same and I'm glad the toggle exists / wish it changed things even more.

 

[_The_Doctor_]

nit-picking all over.

 

[monk_56]

nit-picking all over.

A detail oriented game/devs with a lot of text, nuance, and variance attracting detail-oriented people who care about text, nuance, and variance. Of course we are going to nit-pick. What a fucking surprise. .

 

[Omegaroll]

As Shaya's new writer thanks for the compliment. I wanted to take a charachter who lacked clear story role and do something with her I thought would get people invested, and would play to the natural intrigue of the charachter.

As for why he doesn't have more ways of persuading her. Maybe I'll take a look at it at some point, but that scene is basically a marathon of multi-state that had to acount for dozens of clues. Shit was rough. So going even harder on Rowan dialogue variance wasn't in the cards.

Thank you very much for the amazing content! I had a lot of fun reading her whole questline.

And I can totally understand why there wasn't a choice considering how much content that scene had already.

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That said, that's on me for not reading the room properly. I just thought it was going a different direction. I was still very satisfied with the scene regardless.

Also, damn. I was so scared of missing a clue and being locked out of the questline. haha

 

[perles75]

I much prefer a game where the devs have a clear idea of the concept behind it to a game where they try to appease everyone and making it a bit and flavourless mishmash. This game has "clear NTR feels" because the whole premises and structure lend themselves naturally to a NTR experience and also because that's kind of the direction the game wants to explore. And it's ok; it's already quite the effort from the devs to bend it as much as they can with the off button, doing more than that would be to distort the nature of the game.

 

[monk_56]

I much prefer a game where the devs have a clear idea of the concept behind it to a game where they try to appease everyone and making it a bit and flavourless mishmash. This game has "clear NTR feels" because the whole premises and structure lend themselves naturally to a NTR experience and also because that's kind of the direction the game wants to explore. And it's ok; it's already quite the effort from the devs to bend it as much as they can with the off button, doing more than that would be to distort the nature of the game.

You're assuming facts not in evidence. If NTR is the whole vibe the Devs are going for they are doing a bad job expressing it in their messaging.

The core conceptualization in allowing for different routes intrinsically "distorts the nature of the game" a priori based on your choices.

Vibes are sequestered into their paths. That is whole point. You're oversimplifying the game's design.

 

[T51bwinterized]

We think of the game as a Corruption game. And that's what bleeds through into our writing. It's the vibe we're going for.

NTR is a subtype of corruption stories. It's what I think makes it distinct from cheating and why the site misapplies the label.

I think there is an extent that some of the broader corruption elements may be read a specific NTR elements. And how much so that's the case depends partially on how much your brain is making an effort to read it that way.

That said, I also suspect there's more NTR coding for the earlier stuff then the segments that have been written after the big writer team shakeup around 2018/2019.

 

[monk_56]

We think of the game as a Corruption game. And that's what bleeds through into our writing. It's the vibe we're going for.

NTR is a subtype of corruption stories. It's what I think makes it distinct from cheating and why the site misapplies the label.

I think there is an extent that some of the broader corruption elements may be read a specific NTR elements. And how much so that's the case depends partially on how much your brain is making an effort to read it that way.

That said, I also suspect there's more NTR coding for the earlier stuff then the segments that have been written after the big writer team shakeup around 2018/2019.

Eloquently articulated and impressively accurate- as is excepted from Winterized.

As someone who has read a large numbers of the scripts- I concur that the "modern era" writing is vastly superior and there is more NTR specific coding in the older content.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

You're generalizing. I complain about NTR vibes in the game I read EVERYTHING and I never choose the NTR specific paths.

The game absolutely needs the toggle and I am grateful it has one- sure you are never "forced" into any NTR options- but the vibes and energy still bleeds through narratively. It isn't like the gay content where if you aren't interested in it- it doesn't get slammed in your face constantly. The NTR "feel" is very aggressive.

The disable NTR option doesn't just remove the NTR option buttons- it also tones down some of the conversations that have really cucky vibes and a bunch of the other scripts.

I'm paraphrasing here- but an example from in game:

Jax / Inidarah Voyeur scene
Jax to High corruption Alexia: "Next time I am going to go over there and split you in half"
High corruption Alexia in Jax Voyour script with NTR on: "I cannot wait for you to fuck me"
High corruption Aleixa in the Jax Voyour with NTR off: "Eh, would she allow it?"

It isn't like the option does nothing- it literally changes text in the story beats. It also straight up removes some events from the story queue.

I think its disingenuous to tell the people who dislike NTR the experience is the same with the toggle on vs off, that the button isn't necessary, or that "they are just clicking through the options without reading any of the text, or they got tempted and regretted their choice in their post-nut clarity" and that is the only possible way to be upset about NTR in the 'stock' game. The experience really isn't the same and I'm glad the toggle exists / wish it changed things even more.

After reading this I questioned how it was possible to get Alexia to high corruption with NTR disabled since alot of her potential corruption come from sleeping around. So for the first I loaded up the game with NTR disabled. I was able to get her to high corruption, it was interesting that X'zaratl events and Alexia's fertility treatment did the brunt of the work as each has a scene that will give a big boost to corruption if you go full depravity with your choices. With out those scene I would have been hard pressed to eve get her into medium corruption.

But the real reason I made this post because I was also testing the limits of the No-NTR setting and wa surprised by some of the things she could still do with NTR turned off. She could still:

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There might be other scenes but those are the ones I came across in my playthrough. While I would warn people that that apparently turning off NTR might not keep you as safe as you thought. But I still wouldn't worry about it too much since as I mentioned previously, it is a simple matter to just choose not to do those things if you want to avoid them.

 

[Rein]

All NTR is cheating. Not all cheating is NTR.

Though Monk made a intersting point. I usually use the NTR flag, since it's far easier to keep track of than Alexia cheating - there are multiple events that allow her to cheat without any previous instences of Alexia cheating, and if we were better with handling flags, I'd have each of them activate a AlexiaCheating flag. Maybe even keep counter.

Because we haven't done that from the start, it's too late for that now. Something for us to think about when writing Act 2.

Also, as Alexia's corruption reaches Medium and High levels, the dialogue because MUCH more complex. Previously it was just Low corruption with NTR variants, now it has to be Low and Medium+ corruption, possibly unique High corruption lines. All of that makes inserting NTR passages far more complicated.

 

[MagicSlay]

She could still jack off a drider in the breeding pits.

Odd she can't do more with animals. I'd say monsters/animals (that cannot speak and aren't self conscious) don't count towards NTR as they cannot form that "bond breaking" connection. However, once the self conscious party speaks against their partner in a way that disregards their emotions and prior relationship does it finally count as NTR. Solely from their actions and words. Say if Alexia were to go "This Drider makes me feel like an actual breeding bitch, something Rowan could never do. Gods I can't get enough of this." would count as an NTR interaction. As she states her lover could never make her feel [x] but something (in the terms of an animal/monster) else could and wants more.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

I'd say monsters/animals (that cannot speak and aren't self conscious) don't count towards NTR as they cannot form that "bond breaking" connection.

Define "bond", it's like a girl leaving his boyfriends for her dog because aside being more loyal, it can last long... An then, the boyfriend suffer NTR by his ex.girlfriend's dog

 

[MagicSlay]

Define "bond", it's like a girl leaving his boyfriends for her dog because aside being more loyal, it can last long... An then, the boyfriend suffer NTR by his ex.girlfriend's dog

Say if Alexia were to go "This Drider makes me feel like an actual breeding bitch, something Rowan could never do. Gods I can't get enough of this." would count as an NTR interaction. As she states her lover could never make her feel [x] but something (in the terms of an animal/monster) else could and wants more.

The bond is just that, a conscious decision to cheat. An animal or monster that isn't conscious cannot make that decision. An animal (which I'll use to refer to both animals and non conscious monsters) are driven by not lust, but by instinct to procreate. Once you add the lust factor (which only conscious creatures can make) then it can be decided in most regards as NTR depending on how it's handled.

 

[diebesgrab]

All NTR is cheating.

I’m not sure that’s strictly true. These days, relative NTR (mother, sister, daughter), crush NTR, and even childhood friend NTR are relatively common tropes, at least in Japanese porn.

 

[sickdude]

Hey guys, I tried to look up for information on next update but couldnt find any. Is the next update coming this month? and does anyone know what is planned for the next release??

 

[Fleep]

sickdude A new update should be scheduled for this month. For content you can look up what we got in the Steam update some days ago and add a couple of scenes. Mostly they've advanced Lurial and Cla-min's arc, and also done a bit of Draith and X. As always we've also gotten a bunch of high cuality CGs.

 

[Rein]

I’m not sure that’s strictly true. These days, relative NTR (mother, sister, daughter), crush NTR, and even childhood friend NTR are relatively common tropes, at least in Japanese porn.

What does that even mean.

 

[diebesgrab]

What does that even mean.

It’s just a lot of Japanese porn follows the same beats as traditional NTR, only it features people who aren’t in a romantic relationship with the MC, simply close to him in some other way. It still ends with the relationship in tatters, so it serves essentially the same function. Probably the most common non-romantic relationship in these variations is mother-son.

 

[rivon]

It’s just a lot of Japanese porn follows the same beats as traditional NTR, only it features people who aren’t in a romantic relationship with the MC, simply close to him in some other way. It still ends with the relationship in tatters, so it serves essentially the same function. Probably the most common non-romantic relationship in these variations is mother-son.

So Rowan fucked Andras dad and by doing so Ntr him!
As revenge Andras fucked Rowans wifu and Ntred back.
ITs all fall in to place now.

 

[Oriandu]

NTR is a broad concept that makes perfect sense but also doesn't make any sense at all. The more you try to plumb its depths the more weird variations of it you're going to find. Better to just be all "I like this." or "I don't like this." lest you fall into the pits of despair and find yourself reading vore NTR.