Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]
Didn't Clionha coerce rowan for hypnosis/sex. Isn't that essentially rape or at the very least dubious consent? Besides I think the patreon guidelines say you shouldn't glorify rape and that lolita is allowed on there? So, shouldn't it be fine so long as you don't glorify it
Edit: now that I'm thinking about it, you have a bunch of scenes in this game that are basically rape, so I don't know what you are talking about.
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Do you know what would happen if someone were to make Patreon-based content, and after the Patreon campaign is over release, say, DLC for the content that didn’t comply with Patreon rules? This isn’t a suggestion, I know it wouldn’t work for SOC for various reasons. I’m just honestly curious what the results would be.
Patreon rules enforcement tends to be very letter of the law, not spirit, so dubcon is generally fine, and SOC skirts the edge very closely on occasion without ever actually stepping over.
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Like 20% of the game's content is rape- and it is definitely glorified. I'm honestly baffled Patreon isn't roasting the game for it; they must have a very narrow definition.
I hate rape content- but I'm also not a big fan of censorship. The situation with Patreon and game Devs is pretty unfortunate.
I hate rape content- but I'm also not a big fan of censorship. The situation with Patreon and game Devs is pretty unfortunate.
Patreon basically went the Make An Example Of enforcement method. They were very, very strict at the start, but since then it seems like they've scaled back tremendously both in terms of strictness and enforcement in general. (Hypnosis is a great example, they hit a lot of hypnosis stuff early because of their consent rule, but it's been years since I've seen them go after any.) It's been a while since I've even seen a project under review, even though there are ample popular examples that don't even try to toe the line.
But if you're a dev team relying on Patreon, there's certainly a reason to be wary and try to have some wiggle room.
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It means that patreon only ever makes a paltry effort to look into such things and unless someone reports any project with rape in it will probably get away with it. Case in point Milfy City and basically every game similar to it had or have scenes in them in which hte player character sexually assaults his potential partners while they are asleep. Milfy City, during a period of extreme lack of activity and only one release on over two years, was reported and forced to remove that content, but prior to that it had been in development for a few years and no one said anything about it. Incest isn't allowed either but quite a few games feature it as part of the basic content for it and until they get reported it isn't removed and replaced with "roommate" or "landlord" nonsense. There's plenty of leeway with patreon and most of it centers around whether or not patreon is looking.
With that in mind you can't really make the kind of game SoC is without having some despicable situations and straight up violent rape is not a thing that the main cast gets involved in. There's coercion, yes, but it rarely goes past that and basically every character not named Jezera or Andras who has a large sexual role is the victim of it at some point. You'd lose out a lot of content if everything was purely vanilla. Pretty much the only storyline that could reach its current level of completion would be Cla-Min's at this stage.
Are you meaning that if weren't for Patreon rules this game would be a lot much more darker with conditions that demands the player to tolerate for the good of the story? :v
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Unlikely, there is certain beauty in writing a story where the descent into darkness is 100% willing and avoidable.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. For a project like Seeds of Chaos to truly succeed it can't just be darkness for the sake of it. A balance has to be struck and so far the dev team for it has struck it quite well.
Question: are the orc and goblin army the only two possibilities for week 60 at the moment? Jezera mentions recruiting other dark races. I couldn't find anything about this on the thread.
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100% Willing. Good fucking joke. That'd be like- if you weren't a coerced prisoner. Definitely not this game.
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In addition to any issues Patreon may take with any of these suggestions. I don't know that they really fit with the fiction that has already been established.
1 - Keep in mind that a key plot point on Clionha's route is that Rowan seems to be nigh impossible to mind control for very long. Even when he is giving in willingly her control slips far sooner than it should. Rowan says that mind control has never worked on him for long. To make such a statement he must have encountered it a decent amount during the war. So I can only imagine that if she were to try to force her control on him it would turn out similarly to if you choose to resist her control during her scenes, and he might break free even faster as his mind would perceive it as an attack.
2 - X'zaratl really doesn't seem like the raping type. And anytime you turn her down she excepts you decision with dignity and grace. Now don't get me wrong she is a sex demon and I believe she is fully capable of raping given the right circumstances, but I don't believe these are those circumstances.
Also as a note in any case of rape involving the castle denizens, keep in mind that the twins still need Rowan at the moment. Therefore they aren't likely to look kindly on any of their subjects whose deeds would make Rowan less willing to work for them. If Rowan is getting raped by people that are supposed to be serving under him he might start having second thoughts about this job of his. It's the same reason why Alexia isn't constantly being raped by orcs an demons while Rowan is away. Rowan is serving to protect Alexia, if Alexia isn't protected there is no reason for him to serve.
For the record if anyone were to rape Rowan for turning them down, I imagine it would be Andras and Jezera. They are the only ones in a position to get away within the hierarchy. Plus they seem to be the most upset when he turns them down.
3 - Most the Denizens of Chaos seem to have somewhat of a "free love" mind set. Everyone fucks anyone they want to that is willing to fuck. Most of them seem the furthest thing from possessive. However there are a couple of characters I could see going yandere. The first of course is Alexia, she is clearly unhappy with the idea of Rowan sleeping around. So I could imaging a potential series of events that could lead a high corruption/high relationship Alexia down this path. However Alexia isn't really in much of a position right now to do anything about it even if she did go full yandere.
The other potential yandere is Jezera (all of the following would also likely apply to Andras x Alexia as well), in her case it would be in a more "I don't like people touching my things" possessive sort of way. But before that could happen their "relationship" would have to advance quite a bit, right now she just toys with Rowan on occasion to remind him who's in charge. Although, Jezera is also high enough in the heirarchy that she could eliminate nearly all her rivals just by telling everyone that Rowan is off limits. I think the only person she might have to deal with in a more extreme manner would be Alexia.
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I agree that due to the power dynamics involved, prisoners cannot consent. However, it is also common for victims to blames themselves for their abuse. If I said this or done that this wouldn't of happened. And particularly in cases such as statutory or abuse of authority it is not uncommon for the victim to believe they are a willing participant at the time. It is often only from the outside or in retrospect that it apparent how fucked up the situation really is.
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There are rules. Some will say they are too lenient, others that they too oppresive. SoC development team makes no statements, SoC development teams abides by them so we can continue creating the game. That's all there is to it.
Further discussion on the topic should be take elsewhere.
Further discussion on the topic should be take elsewhere.
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In game one yes- and they are not mutually exclusive. The timing of doing both in a single play-through might be tight; especially if you do one of the more time consumptive Orcaide routes. Presumably in game two there will be more faction recruitment narratives. I'd love to recruit some more High elves myself.
Sure, but only out of respect for you and the other Devs. The topic of content breakdown is completely relevant to the game and has no reason not to be discussed here otherwise- unless we are worried about proverbial eye of Mordor glancing this direction and putting a kibosh on the game's numerous rape plots.
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i'm confused i can't upgrade buildings in my workshop until i talk to the baron but already talked to him and laid waste to the city, but still can't do shit in the workshop and i have the objective of capturing the city even though i already did the raid and can't interact with the city anymore
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If you've already taken Rastedel then congratulations you are at current the end of the main story. Assuming you've completed all the available research, then you've likely completed all the building upgrades that are currently implemented.
There will be an update released on the 27th, but right now the devs are focusing on fleshing out characters and finishing up side events before finishing off act 1 of the story. If you want more content I would recommend playing through the game again making different choices, there is a lot more content than can be seen in a single play through.
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The game's story is going to be released in 3 Acts. Each Act will be released as its own game.