Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[lamebrain]

The constant shrieking over the mdom vs. NTR shit is kinda annoying because it is so rare that a game has well-written NTR, can you just let it slide? Please? I mean, mdom (either in soft or hard forms) has always been the most common genre of not only hentai games but all pornography in general. Good, well-written NTR is so fuckin' rare. And besides, Rowan-focused sex is still the main focus of this game anyway (even if that "main focus" is a 60/40 split or whatever), and so there's a helluva lot of mdom content that comes out of that as a result.

I'll be honest: I play this game only for the Alexia content. I became a Patreon sub only for the Alexia content. I suspect that at least 30% to 40% of the player-base is in the same camp. Frankly, I don't give a fuck about Rowan — if I want to watch a buff dude bang the shit out of some chick, I'll just watch ExploitedCollegeGirls or some shit. But to each their own, y'know? It is what it is. And while I do advocate for more Alexia content in this forum (okay, I do post some dumb shit as well but that's for jokes), you don't see me getting all mad and writing paragraphs and paragraphs every update about how the devs don't give Alexia enough attention. I've noticed that the NTR gang tends to be very chill and subdued outside of the mandatory "more Alexia content!" one-sentencer posts. You bide your time and wait, because you know that this is a big game with a lot of routes and a lot of fetishes, and that's fine.

I mean, if you're not into the NTR, you're within your rights to advocate for more mdom. You're within your rights to talk shit and make jokes about the NTR gang being a bunch of cucks and so on. But I've noticed that the anti-NTR gang has a tendency to get angry in a way that's kinda wild and get all up in everyone's faces about it. It's a little ridiculous and it sucks the air out of the conversation in this thread.

This post isn't pertaining specifically to the recent conversation about Rowan's height either, but I've noticed that this is a recurring thread that I've noticed since I became a fan of this game.

 

[T51bwinterized]

The constant shrieking over the mdom vs. NTR shit is kinda annoying because it is so rare that a game has well-written NTR, can you just let it slide? Please? I mean, mdom (either in soft or hard forms) has always been the most common genre of not only hentai games but all pornography in general. Good, well-written NTR is so fuckin' rare. And besides, Rowan-focused sex is still the main focus of this game anyway (even if that "main focus" is a 60/40 split or whatever), and so there's a helluva lot of mdom content that comes out of that as a result.

I'll be honest: I play this game only for the Alexia content. I became a Patreon sub only for the Alexia content. I suspect that at least 30% to 40% of the player-base is in the same camp. Frankly, I don't give a fuck about Rowan — if I want to watch a buff dude bang the shit out of some chick, I'll just watch ExploitedCollegeGirls or some shit. But to each their own, y'know? It is what it is. And while I do advocate for more Alexia content in this forum (okay, I do post some dumb shit as well but that's for jokes), you don't see me getting all mad and writing paragraphs and paragraphs every update about how the devs don't give Alexia enough attention. I've noticed that the NTR gang tends to be very chill and subdued outside of the mandatory "more Alexia content!" one-sentencer posts. You bide your time and wait, because you know that this is a big game with a lot of routes and a lot of fetishes, and that's fine.

I mean, if you're not into the NTR, you're within your rights to advocate for more mdom. You're within your rights to talk shit and make jokes about the NTR gang being a bunch of cucks and so on. But I've noticed that the anti-NTR gang has a tendency to get angry in a way that's kinda wild and get all up in everyone's faces about it. It's a little ridiculous and it sucks the air out of the conversation in this thread.

This post isn't pertaining specifically to the recent conversation about Rowan's height either, but I've noticed that this is a recurring thread that I've noticed since I became a fan of this game.

Good news. We're giving you more Alexia NTR this update.

 

[lamebrain]

Good news. We're giving you more Alexia NTR this update.

That's awesome. Though, I wasn't making that post to advocate for more Alexia either.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Personally, I have a diverse palate when it comes to content preferences. Though for me it tends to come in waves, were I'm really into one kink for a while before moving on to something else. Sometimes I'm into NTR, sometimes I'm into mdom, sometimes fdom, sometimes I get into futa, sometimes I just want something wholesome and vanilla. Of course there are plenty of things that I never get into, but if those things are your thing more power to you. There are very few things that I absolutely cannot tolerate the existence of.

One thing that I don't think SoC gets enough credit for, is the diversity of its content. For all the hate it gets for NTR there really isn't any one content type that is overwhelmingly present over the others. But at the same time if you are really into one certain type of content the game could easily leave you wanting more as it moves on to other interests. Hence why we often see people begging for more of a certain type of content.

But I think the real problem is when there is a certain type of content that you really dislike, maybe even hate. Numerous studies have shown that our brains give more weight to negative experiences that to positive experiences, at about a 3 to 1 ratio. So when people play the game, and encounter the "negative" content that sticks in their memory far more strongly that the "positive" content they encounter. Therefore when they reflect on their experience they feel like the game was just full of that "negative" content. The "positive" content just seems so much less in comparison, and the "just okay" content is nearly completely forgotten. But if they were to actually count the scenes they encountered they would see that there wasn't nearly as much as they thought there was.

 

[monk_56]

The constant shrieking over the mdom vs. NTR shit is kinda annoying because it is so rare that a game has well-written NTR, can you just let it slide? Please? I mean, mdom (either in soft or hard forms) has always been the most common genre of not only hentai games but all pornography in general. Good, well-written NTR is so fuckin' rare. And besides, Rowan-focused sex is still the main focus of this game anyway (even if that "main focus" is a 60/40 split or whatever), and so there's a helluva lot of mdom content that comes out of that as a result.

I'll be honest: I play this game only for the Alexia content. I became a Patreon sub only for the Alexia content. I suspect that at least 30% to 40% of the player-base is in the same camp. Frankly, I don't give a fuck about Rowan — if I want to watch a buff dude bang the shit out of some chick, I'll just watch ExploitedCollegeGirls or some shit. But to each their own, y'know? It is what it is. And while I do advocate for more Alexia content in this forum (okay, I do post some dumb shit as well but that's for jokes), you don't see me getting all mad and writing paragraphs and paragraphs every update about how the devs don't give Alexia enough attention. I've noticed that the NTR gang tends to be very chill and subdued outside of the mandatory "more Alexia content!" one-sentencer posts. You bide your time and wait, because you know that this is a big game with a lot of routes and a lot of fetishes, and that's fine.

I mean, if you're not into the NTR, you're within your rights to advocate for more mdom. You're within your rights to talk shit and make jokes about the NTR gang being a bunch of cucks and so on. But I've noticed that the anti-NTR gang has a tendency to get angry in a way that's kinda wild and get all up in everyone's faces about it. It's a little ridiculous and it sucks the air out of the conversation in this thread.

This post isn't pertaining specifically to the recent conversation about Rowan's height either, but I've noticed that this is a recurring thread that I've noticed since I became a fan of this game.

Comparing the quality of MDom writing in SoC to the offal offered by a porno is laughable. Like- its not a fair substitution.

There are very few avenues to get high quality well-written MDom narrative in a fantasy 2dCG game. If you know of any let me know ^_^. You are right that there are plenty of crappy Maledom Pornos, but its not the same product at all. If we look at porno there are also plenty of crappy cuckoldry porno too- most of them have racial undertones.

I'm not taking umbrage with the fact that there is NTR in the game- though obviously I'm not a fan. My umbrage is specifically with how pathetic Rowan is- and its hard not to connect that fact to the concept that it enhances the NTR plot. Like, include NTR- its fine. But the other side of the equation shouldn't be so incredibly flaccid.

You are right, its hard to give a fuck about Rowan. He is spineless, weak, effeminate, passive, dominated; showing very little initiative to protect himself and the ones he loves, he always acts reactively to what other people do rarely ever taking any initiative. I thought he was going to cry like a baby at the end of the Rastdel plot- he just clammed down and took it like a bitch on every single route- his will to fight back was totally crushed. Maybe this is the lowest point on his timeline or something and he will get better post Rastdel after he has time to process or something- but its hard to think of him as anything but pathetic the way he constantly gets dumped on in SoC and how he reacts. He has some good Mdom content for sure- Liurial, Patricia, some of the Cla-min events, but unless it is specifically a MDom route - he doesn't feel dominant at all- he feels dominated.

 

[lamebrain]

Comparing the quality of MDom writing in SoC to the offal offered by a porno is laughable. Like- its not a fair substitution.

There are very few avenues to get high quality well-written MDom narrative in a fantasy 2dCG game. If you know of any let me know ^_^. If we look at porno there are also plenty of crappy cuckoldry pornos as well- most of them have racial undertones.

I'm not taking umbrage with the fact that there is NTR in the game- though obviously I'm not a fan. My umbrage is specifically with how pathetic Rowan is- and its hard not to connect that fact to the concept that it enhances the NTR plot. Like, include NTR- its fine. But the other side of the equation shouldn't be so incredibly flaccid.

You are right, its hard to give a fuck about Rowan. For me it is because the way he is drawn and written. Spineless, weak, effeminate, passive, dominated; showing very little initiative to protect himself and the ones he loves, he always acts reactively to what other people do rarely ever taking any initiative. I thought he was going to cry like a baby at the end of the Rastdel plot- he just clammed down and took it like a bitch on every single route. He has some good Mdom content for sure- Liurial, Patricia, some of the Cla-min events. Maybe this is the lowest point on his timeline or something and he will get better post Rastdel after he has time to process or something- but its hard to think of him as anything but pathetic the way he constantly gets dumped on in SoC and how he reacts. He doesn't feel dominant at all- he feels dominated. With the exception of a few specifically designed weak characters who are somehow even weaker than him.

The way that Rowan is characterised logically flows from the premise of the game. He is kidnapped by demons who sexually exploit him and his wife. That is quite literally the opening premise of the game. It makes sense for him to act in a reactive manner because he's literally a prisoner. It makes sense for the mdom routes to have him domming "those weaker than him", as you say. I mean, what is he supposed to do, dom Andras?

Yes, this premise is conducive to Alexia's NTR route. I think that's the point. But a lot of the exciting tension of the plot revolves around how Rowan might be corrupted and how he might adopt many of the cruel dom-ish characteristics of his captor, Andras. The tension between Rowan's own position as someone being exploited and weakened by the NTR of his wife, and how he "takes out" his anguish by exploiting and using others, is what makes him interesting and compelling as a character. A great example of that is the Helayna plot arc, which is full of mdom (a lot of "training" and so on, a lot of Alexia getting cucked). I think these contextual elements are specifically what makes the mdom in this game spicier than other games. And if you are after mdom where the main character is just a one-dimensional buff meathead who bangs his way through a horde of submissive chicks — then you've got like ten or more fully-developed games in the Rance series that is just that and nothing else.

I don't give a fuck about Rowan because I don't really find mdom hentai very exciting in terms of me wacking my pee-pee, not because he isn't well-written. On the contrary, as I allude to above, he's very well-written.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

You are right, its hard to give a fuck about Rowan. For me it is because the way he is drawn and written. Spineless, weak, effeminate, passive, dominated; showing very little initiative to protect himself and the ones he loves, he always acts reactively to what other people do rarely ever taking any initiative. I thought he was going to cry like a baby at the end of the Rastdel plot- he just clammed down and took it like a bitch on every single route. He has some good Mdom content for sure- Liurial, Patricia, some of the Cla-min events. Maybe this is the lowest point on his timeline or something and he will get better post Rastdel after he has time to process or something- but its hard to think of him as anything but pathetic the way he constantly gets dumped on in SoC and how he reacts. Unless it is specifically a MDom route - he doesn't feel dominant at all- he feels dominated.

I would ask, what do you expect Rowan to do in his situation. He is surrounded by enemies, most of them are significantly more powerful than he is, they have is wife hostage, and they can instantly teleport either him or his wife back to them anytime they want. He can't act overtly because he can't trust anyone around him. The reason he doesn't seem dominate is because he is not in a dominate position because he is a prisoner an a slave. Honestly, I think the best move for him right now is to go along with them and appear to either be won over or broken, while watching for opportunities that he can take advantage of and building up a power base that he can eventually use against them all the while.

And I think he is potentially is doing a good job of that (player choices withstanding of course). There are several scene in which Rowan can undermine the twins' efforts, most of them are not in huge ways but that is because Rowan has been dealt a weak hand and the consequences of getting caught would be quite high. He has to try to keep his rebellions subtle and have plausible deniability should anything be found. Also he has been making great strides at making allies among his enemies. At the end of their act 1 arcs nearly everyone important in the castle see him as a friend, respect him, and/or love him. Of course he can't immediate weaponize those feelings. If you just started seriously dating someone and they asked you to help them over throw the government you'd probably back away pretty quickly. However most of these people are not particularly opposed to violence and are not overly loyal to the twins either. Another arc's worth of convincing and an offer of a better deal could go a long way to turning things around.

 

[monk_56]

The way that Rowan is characterised logically flows from the premise of the game. He is kidnapped by demons who sexually exploit him and his wife. That is quite literally the opening premise of the game. It makes sense for him to act in a reactive manner because he's literally a prisoner. It makes sense for the mdom routes to have him domming "those weaker than him", as you say. I mean, what is he supposed to do, dom Andras?

Yes, this premise is conducive to Alexia's NTR route. I think that's the point. But a lot of the exciting tension of the plot revolves around how Rowan might be corrupted and how he might adopt many of the cruel dom-ish characteristics of his captor, Andras. The tension between Rowan's own position as someone being exploited and weakened by the NTR of his wife, and how he "takes out" his anguish by exploiting and using others, is what makes him interesting and compelling as a character. A great example of that is the Helayna plot arc, which is full of mdom (a lot of "training" and so on, a lot of Alexia getting cucked). I think these contextual elements are specifically what makes the mdom in this game spicier than other games. And if you are after mdom where the main character is just a one-dimensional buff meathead who bangs his way through a horde of submissive chicks — then you've got like ten or more fully-developed games in the Rance series that is just that and nothing else.

I don't give a fuck about Rowan because I don't really find mdom hentai very exciting in terms of me wacking my pee-pee, not because he isn't well-written. On the contrary, as I allude to above, he's very well-written.

Doming Andras? Hyperbolic! I dunno maybe in 10 years from now

Very articulate. I enjoy discussion with you.
So the argument is that he is very well written for the MC in a NTR focused plot? Yeah- I totally agree. That is pretty much my point as well.

My point was that the other side of the coin- the pathing where he resists, is heroic, dominates, gains power ect is underdeveloped. Like some of threads are all there- but its not bourne out in the narrative. Will we ever get that plot? Or will the game stay focused on these NTR and submissive threads. Rowan does so much losing you'd think he was on a weight-loss T.V. program

 

[lamebrain]

So the argument is that he is very well written for the MC in a NTR focused plot? Yeah- I totally agree. That is pretty much my point as well.

No, the argument was that there is a lot of mdom but it is contextually specific to the plot of the game. It is not Rance-style mdom, but it is mdom nevertheless. And there is quite a lot of it.

 

[monk_56]

I would ask, what do you expect Rowan to do in his situation. He is surrounded by enemies, most of them are significantly more powerful than he is, they have is wife hostage, and they can instantly teleport either him or his wife back to them anytime they want. He can't act overtly because he can't trust anyone around him. The reason he doesn't seem dominate is because he is not in a dominate position because he is a prisoner an a slave. Honestly, I think the best move for him right now is to go along with them and appear to either be won over or broken, while watching for opportunities that he can take advantage of and building up a power base that he can eventually use against them all the while.

And I think he is potentially is doing a good job of that (player choices withstanding of course). There are several scene in which Rowan can undermine the twins' efforts, most of them are not in huge ways but that is because Rowan has been dealt a weak hand and the consequences of getting caught would be quite high. He has to try to keep his rebellions subtle and have plausible deniability should anything be found. Also he has been making great strides at making allies among his enemies. At the end of their act 1 arcs nearly everyone important in the castle see him as a friend, respect him, and/or love him. Of course he can't immediate weaponize those feelings. If you just started seriously dating someone and they asked you to help them over throw the government you'd probably back away pretty quickly. However most of these people are not particularly opposed to violence and are not overly loyal to the twins either. Another arc's worth of convincing and an offer of a better deal could go a long way to turning things around.

Good question. Lets think about that.

~Assign a guard/s he trusts to help look after his wife while he has to be gone.
~A job arc where Alexia could be close to Rowan when he was at Bloodmean
~A incredibly large suite of things he could have been doing during the Rastdel plot to lay groundwork for better outcomes. Rowan more or less basically did the Twins exact bidding in that plot- with the one exception of not always choosing the exact ally they wanted or using the power of the amulet on Patricia himself instead of for the twins.
~Tangible efforts to parse out what the powers of the amulets are. Such as communicating via a cypher with magic users he meets while exploring ect. There was one event related to this sort of logic in Bloodmean- but it made Rowan look like a moron more than it made him look like any sort of mastermind- which is what he is supposed to be.
~Gain some actually tangible degree of power.
~Rescue Emma from Orcaide.

I'm sure the writers could come up with even better heroic or resistance content- but that is just some stuff off the top of my head. Rowan is supposed to be this mastermind trickster- but he sure doesn't come off like one.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

No, the argument was that there is a lot of mdom but it is contextually specific to the plot of the game. It is not Rance-style mdom, but it is mdom nevertheless. And there is quite a lot of it.

I think there might be a bit of a miscommunication about what "mdom" means. The thing is culturally there as at least a slight level of mdom in most M/F pairings. Men fuck, women get fucked, sort of thing. In a number of his sexual encounters Rowan is the dominate partner simply by virtue of this fact.

But that is not the same as a Dom/Sub relationship in which the Dom is a man. As monk_56 has said there is a limited number in which Rowan is a capital D Dom. Liureal is obviously the main one, Helayna does have a path dedicated to this but it is not very developed (but that should be changing soon), There is a little with Patricia if you choose to mind control her, there is a tiny bit with Rowan x Alexia (but Monk hates Alexia), Cla-min I would argue is more just rough sex than an actual dom/sub situation.

 

[lamebrain]

I think there might be a bit of a miscommunication about what "mdom" means. The thing is culturally there as at least a slight level of mdom in most M/F pairings. Men fuck, women get fucked, sort of thing. In a number of his sexual encounters Rowan is the dominate partner simply by virtue of this fact.

But that is not the same as a Dom/Sub relationship in which the Dom is a man. As monk_56 has said there is a limited number in which Rowan is a capital D Dom. Liureal is obviously the main one, Helayna does have a path dedicated to this but it is not very developed (but that should be changing soon), There is a little with Patricia if you choose to mind control her, there is a tiny bit with Rowan x Alexia (but Monk hates Alexia), Cla-min I would argue is more just rough sex than an actual dom/sub situation.

I mean, sure, okay. But I would argue that a lot of Rowan's encounters have dominating characteristics, though maybe that isn't capital D Dom, as you say.

That is kinda my point though: within confines of the plot, there isn't a lot of room for Rowan to be a capital D Dom in the style of Rance (I know I keep coming back to that example, but it is a good example of a classic fantasy mdom-focused game). But there are a lot of instances where Rowan is a dominant (or dominating) actor, or instances where Rowan exerts power through sex. The Helayna plot arc is a great example because on the one hand, you have him capital D Domming Helayna in a few scenes, but also, he exerts an emotional power over Alexia by cuckolding her (especially if you tell Alexia that you love Helayna). As a matter of fact, simply by virtue of the fact that Rowan is cheating on his wife and getting away with it in almost every sexual encounter, they're all "dominating" in that way — if you have NTR turned off, the game is played in such a way that Rowan continuously cuckolds Alexia, and she just gets sits in Castle Bloodmean and takes it.

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

I mean, sure, okay. But I would argue that a lot of Rowan's encounters have dominating characteristics, though maybe that isn't capital D Dom, as you say.

That is kinda my point though: within confines of the plot, there isn't a lot of room for Rowan to be a capital D Dom in the style of Rance (I know I keep coming back to that example, but it is a good example of a classic fantasy mdom-focused game). But there are a lot of instances where Rowan is a dominant (or dominating) actor, or instances where Rowan exerts power through sex. The Helayna plot arc is a great example because on the one hand, you have him capital D Domming Helayna in a few scenes, but also, he exerts an emotional power over Alexia by cuckolding her (especially if you tell Alexia that you love Helayna). As a matter of fact, simply by virtue of the fact that Rowan is cheating on his wife and getting away with it in almost every sexual encounter, they're all "dominating" in that way — if you have NTR turned off, the game is played in such a way that Rowan continuously cuckolds Alexia, and she just gets sits in Castle Bloodmean and takes it.

Oh, I fully agree. I'm largely of the opinion that Rowan's actions make sense for the situation he is in. I was just commenting on the reason why Monk was saying there was hardly any mdom and you were saying that there was lots of mdom. Essentially you are both right from the way you were defining "mdom."

I was just saying elsewhere, as much as people complain about arguing semantics, nailing down the semanitics is actually cruicial to having any real debate. When people aren't using the same definitions they end up just talking past each other.

Whether or not the game should have more mdom content is a fine debate, but it is a hard debate to have when each side has a very different definition of what qualifies as mdom.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Also it's act 1. One of the things I've tried to do with the Liurial content. And I plan to do with Helayna, is that even a Rowan who is inclined towards being dominant is just not going to be practiced at more over S/m and Fetishistic BDSM type activities. Like with a gay Rowan, a Rowan who is being played as a Dom or Switch is learning about such things.

Thus, by act 2 and 3, a Rowan being played as dominant should be portrayed as more competent and more knowledge about such things, being merely being forceful.

 

[iamvenom]

Any help would be appreciated! Showed "goal2 failed", changed all the "goal2" to "1" and "goal2 faluire" to "0" and it went away. What actually happened here? What was I supposed to do with the "finances"? Both the castle money and personal money are all high so I'm not sure.

 

[Rein]

Hm, this isn't the first time this is reported. I'll try to figure out what's going on there when we do next release bugtesting.

 

[Semantics]

I would ask, what do you expect Rowan to do in his situation. He is surrounded by enemies, most of them are significantly more powerful than he is, they have is wife hostage, and they can instantly teleport either him or his wife back to them anytime they want. He can't act overtly because he can't trust anyone around him. The reason he doesn't seem dominate is because he is not in a dominate position because he is a prisoner an a slave. Honestly, I think the best move for him right now is to go along with them and appear to either be won over or broken, while watching for opportunities that he can take advantage of and building up a power base that he can eventually use against them all the while.

And I think he is potentially is doing a good job of that (player choices withstanding of course). There are several scene in which Rowan can undermine the twins' efforts, most of them are not in huge ways but that is because Rowan has been dealt a weak hand and the consequences of getting caught would be quite high. He has to try to keep his rebellions subtle and have plausible deniability should anything be found. Also he has been making great strides at making allies among his enemies. At the end of their act 1 arcs nearly everyone important in the castle see him as a friend, respect him, and/or love him. Of course he can't immediate weaponize those feelings. If you just started seriously dating someone and they asked you to help them over throw the government you'd probably back away pretty quickly. However most of these people are not particularly opposed to violence and are not overly loyal to the twins either. Another arc's worth of convincing and an offer of a better deal could go a long way to turning things around.

One complaint I had early (Which has been heavily addressed by newer and re-worked character arcs, but still exists in general) is just that Rowan should have plans, and let the player in on those plans so that it seems more like he's at least trying to set things up to help his cause, even when things don't work out.

Rastedel's Werden plot is a great example of that. Rowan never really thinks about his plan before or after his choice to support Werden. And given

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Rescuing Delane from the Orc camp is another one. It could very easily have been played as a choice to collapse all the orc plots against each other and weaken an ally without (hopefully) anyone knowing, but as I recall the writing is pretty much just that Rowan is just doing it because he's hero, and refuses to let Delane suffer their various planned fates. There's no real planning or thought process involved. And while that's a good enough meta reason for me since she's one of my favorite characters, it doesn't feel like great reasoning from Rowan, someone darn-near worshipped by the Goblins for his planning and trickery.

Those are the big ones, but just in general it sometimes seems like Rowan isn't even trying to come up with plans and ideas for everything and that everything except character arcs just kinda fall into his lap. ...And I'll note that while he realizes the potential of winning allies to his side, he's often not the start of those plots. They often also fall into his lap at the start (Cliohna wanting a sample, Jezera trying to use Shaya to influence him, Liurial searching for a dom), and he just runs with them after that.

Hopefully the second look at Rastedel content actually makes choosing Werden a bit more transparent, not that I'll ever know. And hopefully the Goblin allies questline coming up involves Rowan actually plotting and planning. But there are definitely ways to make Rowan SEEM more in control (He has a plan!) without him actually BEING in control (The Twins knew about his plan and/or the plan mostly failed!)

 

[monk_56]

One complaint I had early (Which has been heavily addressed by newer and re-worked character arcs, but still exists in general) is just that Rowan should have plans, and let the player in on those plans so that it seems more like he's at least trying to set things up to help his cause, even when things don't work out.

You raise several good points.
I think the Shaya plot was a good example Rowan "having plans" being well executed narratively. He was deliberate, thoughtful, and deductive in the meta-plot. You did actually get to feel like he was smart and being active. Or you could go the other path and die on a petard of your own horny in the femdom route of the plot if you preferred that.

 

[4rtimos]

EVeryone's arguing about whatever while I'm just sitting here freaking out about One Piece chapter 1044 spoilers while also patiently waiting for artwork to accompany Cla-Min's impregnation scenes.

man, even on a pirated porn game site I can't escape this, seriously.

 

[lockerxx]

Also it's act 1. One of the things I've tried to do with the Liurial content. And I plan to do with Helayna, is that even a Rowan who is inclined towards being dominant is just not going to be practiced at more over S/m and Fetishistic BDSM type activities. Like with a gay Rowan, a Rowan who is being played as a Dom or Switch is learning about such things.

Thus, by act 2 and 3, a Rowan being played as dominant should be portrayed as more competent and more knowledge about such things, being merely being forceful.

curiosity any change that my rowan makes his personal harem in the game.yep i am that simple.