Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.12a Non-Patreon] [Vénus Noire]

[Jynx_lucky_j]

So, here's a question. Can I betray these fucking demons? Because I like a lot of this game, but I HATE these little bastards. I know that I can't be the good guy, which is fine, it's a porn game, you are almost NEVER going to be the good guy, I like that. But man do I want these fuckers dead or made non-issues.

Almost certainly eventually, but not yet. The story is going to have 3 acts and we are currently near the end of Act 1. So we are still in the set up and establishing the stakes portion of the story. There are however a number of things that you can do now to potentially better your position for your inevitable betrayal, but it is still fairly preliminary. I wouldn't really expect the ball to get rolling until act 2.

Side note: There is a fairly major betrayal that is possible to pull of near the end of the current content to undermine the twins, but the consequenses are fairly harsh and it isn't yet known what the effect or benefits will be long term. There is debate as to wether it is a good play or if doing so is jumping the gun while you aren't yet in a position to really pull off a betrayal.

 

[Oriandu]

I'll be particularly interested to see how having a goblin army changes the Rastedel ending. We don't know much about the wild goblin tribes, but goblins just don't seem as physically aggressive and intimidating as orcs. So I could potentially see the city leadership being less quick to surrender. But I could also see the actual occupation being less overtly violent as well. But I imagine the goblins will still be bad for the city in their own way.

Honestly with how things in video games work, if there is the option to pick between armies then most of the differences between such choices are likely to be largely superficial. The major ones will always wind up with the same result because there will always be too many competing paths otherwise. You're always going to arrive at the same destination so it will always be a matter how what path is taken. I could see the orcs being the "safer" option with it being the more overtly savage choice, which would result in a more quick and brutal take over with large loss of life but a far greater chance of the higher ups within Rastedel remaining alive for corruption and control. Which could potentially give the player more powerful allies. Alternatively due to their smaller size and weaker all around physical attributes the goblins could specialize in assassination and sabotage. Which would result in fewer powerful allies for Rowan but with a large surviving percentage of the population of the city. Two sides of the same coin, they could even put one of the twins as the driving force behind a particular method of conquering with Andras supporting orcine devastation and Jezera supporting goblin lead infiltration.

Ultimately we're probably going to arrive at a similar place with a handful of manageable variables. It'll be interesting to see.

 

[Jean7788]

we need more Jezera and Rowan scenes or Repeatable scenes with her mistress

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

we need more Jezera and Rowan scenes or Repeatable scenes with her mistress

Then have I got some news for you...

Rein is doing Nasim and X'z and moving on to Rowan x Jezera.

 

[Matt19920]

Are cheats still a thing with this update, cause cheats dont work for me

 

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Are cheats still a thing with this update, cause cheats dont work for me

Here are a couple of posts that explain how to enable the console command and have a list of commands.
Command Lines
https://f95zone.to/threads/seeds-of-chaos-v0-3-04-venus-noire.26/post-7496860
https://f95zone.to/threads/seeds-of-chaos-v0-3-04-venus-noire.26/post-3610625

You can also enable console command as well as the developer debug mode with UnRen.bat which you can find here
https://f95zone.to/threads/unren-bat-v0-8-modified-rpa-rpc-extractor-rpyc-decompiler-console-developer-menu-enabler.40836/

 

[downdown2]

This a request for the developers, a plea if you will:

1-For the Clionha route, would it be possible to add a "noncon" choice in which she will mind control/hypnotize rowan against his will?
2-Same for X'zaratl. It would be nice if she rapes you if you deny her too many times and choose specific options.
3-Consequences for messing with too many girls in the form of them going yandere would be fantastic. It would be nice to see them kill each other just to keep you to themselves.

 

[Rein]

1-For the Clionha route, would it be possible to add a "noncon" choice in which she will mind control/hypnotize rowan against his will?

No.

2-Same for X'zaratl. It would be nice if she rapes you if you deny her too many times and choose specific options.

No.

3-Consequences for messing with too many girls in the form of them going yandere would be fantastic. It would be nice to see them kill each other just to keep you to themselves.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, leaning "no", mostly because of the variable hell this would put us in.

 

[monk_56]

No.

No.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, leaning "no", mostly because of the variable hell this would put us in.

To avoid some of the variable hell I think you'd need to kill minor characters and its difficult to think of ones who would have any plot relevance to characters who would make sense as Yandere. You'd still have to deal with an entire Yanedre vs non Yanedre arc unless you were comfortable in a character being 100% a Yandere.

The best characters for Yandere would plots would be Alexia, Jezera, or X'zaratl.

I think the demonic view on sexuality means that you'd have to very deliberately develop that tick over time with Jezera or X and they'd need to feel like they were losing some sort of battle for affection- also Jezera hasn't reached any sort of fixation with Rowan at all yet. Baseline though; sex wouldn't be enough to motivate either of these two into Yandere tendancies.... on the other hand Jezera is petty AF and would probably be happy to kill minor characters for even the slightest flighty whim.

Alexia can be a jealous bitch very easily though- even if she is fucking half the castle she is still covetous of having Rowan's sole affection. I guess you could have her kill off one of the minor Succubus lusting over Rowan or something. The problem with Alexia is she hasn't shown very much tendency towards violence. She has many events where she could solve her issues with a little magical violence, but doesn't show any claws at and just kinda lets minor antagonists walk all over her.

 

[downdown2]

No.

No.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, leaning "no", mostly because of the variable hell this would put us in.

Can I ask why?

 

[downdown2]

Also, I got goal 2 fail or something like that on week 22. It said I failed to secure my financies even though I am pretty sure I had more than 500 treasury. Do you need personal gold at 500 as well?

If you infiltrate the raeve keep how long does it take for the cutscene to appear? Because if you use military you get an instant cutscene with helayna

 

[Rein]

Can I ask why?

Patreon does not allow nonconsensual sexual content.

 

[Nym85]

If I might ask the devs as well, will the goblin/orc plots be mutually exclusive?

 

[downdown2]

Patreon does not allow nonconsensual sexual content.

Didn't Clionha coerce rowan for hypnosis/sex. Isn't that essentially rape or at the very least dubious consent? Besides I think the patreon guidelines say you shouldn't glorify rape and that lolita is allowed on there? So, shouldn't it be fine so long as you don't glorify it

Edit: now that I'm thinking about it, you have a bunch of scenes in this game that are basically rape, so I don't know what you are talking about.

 

[diebesgrab]

Patreon does not allow nonconsensual sexual content.

Do you know what would happen if someone were to make Patreon-based content, and after the Patreon campaign is over release, say, DLC for the content that didn’t comply with Patreon rules? This isn’t a suggestion, I know it wouldn’t work for SOC for various reasons. I’m just honestly curious what the results would be.

Didn't Clionha coerce rowan for hypnosis/sex. Isn't that essentially rape or at the very least dubious consent? Besides I think the patreon guidelines say you shouldn't glorify rape and that lolita is allowed on there? So, shouldn't it be fine so long as you don't glorify it

Edit: now that I'm thinking about it, you have a bunch of scenes in this game that are basically rape, so I don't know what you are talking about.

Patreon rules enforcement tends to be very letter of the law, not spirit, so dubcon is generally fine, and SOC skirts the edge very closely on occasion without ever actually stepping over.

 

[monk_56]

Like 20% of the game's content is rape- and it is definitely glorified. I'm honestly baffled Patreon isn't roasting the game for it; they must have a very narrow definition.

I hate rape content- but I'm also not a big fan of censorship. The situation with Patreon and game Devs is pretty unfortunate.

 

[Semantics]

Patreon rules enforcement tends to be very letter of the law, not spirit, so dubcon is generally fine, and SOC skirts the edge very closely on occasion without ever actually stepping over.

Like 20% of the game's content is rape- and it is definitely glorified. I'm honestly baffled Patreon isn't roasting the game for it; they must have a very narrow definition.

I hate rape content- but I'm also not a big fan of censorship. The situation with Patreon and game Devs is pretty unfortunate.

Patreon basically went the Make An Example Of enforcement method. They were very, very strict at the start, but since then it seems like they've scaled back tremendously both in terms of strictness and enforcement in general. (Hypnosis is a great example, they hit a lot of hypnosis stuff early because of their consent rule, but it's been years since I've seen them go after any.) It's been a while since I've even seen a project under review, even though there are ample popular examples that don't even try to toe the line.

But if you're a dev team relying on Patreon, there's certainly a reason to be wary and try to have some wiggle room.

 

[T51bwinterized]

Our stance is dub-con + coerced is okay. Resisted rape is something we avoid putting into the game.

 

[Oriandu]

Didn't Clionha coerce rowan for hypnosis/sex. Isn't that essentially rape or at the very least dubious consent? Besides I think the patreon guidelines say you shouldn't glorify rape and that lolita is allowed on there? So, shouldn't it be fine so long as you don't glorify it

Edit: now that I'm thinking about it, you have a bunch of scenes in this game that are basically rape, so I don't know what you are talking about.

It means that patreon only ever makes a paltry effort to look into such things and unless someone reports any project with rape in it will probably get away with it. Case in point Milfy City and basically every game similar to it had or have scenes in them in which hte player character sexually assaults his potential partners while they are asleep. Milfy City, during a period of extreme lack of activity and only one release on over two years, was reported and forced to remove that content, but prior to that it had been in development for a few years and no one said anything about it. Incest isn't allowed either but quite a few games feature it as part of the basic content for it and until they get reported it isn't removed and replaced with "roommate" or "landlord" nonsense. There's plenty of leeway with patreon and most of it centers around whether or not patreon is looking.

With that in mind you can't really make the kind of game SoC is without having some despicable situations and straight up violent rape is not a thing that the main cast gets involved in. There's coercion, yes, but it rarely goes past that and basically every character not named Jezera or Andras who has a large sexual role is the victim of it at some point. You'd lose out a lot of content if everything was purely vanilla. Pretty much the only storyline that could reach its current level of completion would be Cla-Min's at this stage.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

Patreon does not allow nonconsensual sexual content.

Are you meaning that if weren't for Patreon rules this game would be a lot much more darker with conditions that demands the player to tolerate for the good of the story? :v