Yes. That's what I meant. I typically don't invest starting point in combat skill. I only use whatever left for combat. Having fun at the bar is very nice. Aslo, scavenging for a good combat bot isn't that difficult. I always manage one for escort and train other bot. MC only need combat skill for training bot.
For skill progression (and working to avoid spoiling anything).
First off, once you know how to play, you could get away with ... nothing.
I have done 0 point starts, you need a bit of luck at the flea market or dump to get a bot going; but it is certainly possible.
So any setup is workable, but some are preferable (edit reworded).
For hardcore point spending, getting E in all skills, and then D for mechanical means you can train BBS tech bots (C mechanical, D Electronics) from the start; which will get you money to make rent and spend time working up your skills further.
And your repairs are good enough to get things done reasonably quickly.
Alternatively, All E but getting the D in Sex could train a C class sex both for BBS or Robosechs for starting cash.
For training, if you need to raise a skill:
Combat/Sex are the easiest to train.
Get a bot and train that bot in that skill and you gain XP (even if the bot doesn't get training from you).
It's reasonably fast (comparatively at least).
Electrical/Mechanical aren't bad (any repairs you do or working in your shop gets you some XP); but if you start at F it's slow going to get anywhere.
The Diner owner in your neighborhood does cheap training in electrical/computers (20-30/AP point spent if he's not busy); which can get you to E or even D with a little time invested... past D you're better off doing your own repairs and work for training.
Mechanical seems to go up well when you fix busted slots for missing parts; that's pure mechanical work on any slot and can help get to D if you didn't start there.
Also, buying parts at the flea market; anything with a red star has a defect, and fixing defects can often give a bit more XP than just fixing parts. Ears/eyes with defects can give you multiple defect fixing XP boosts for electrical; or skin/implants for mechanical.
Just avoid arms/legs with defects as those can be cracked parts that cannot be fixed.
Social is a slow grind, see the girl at the corner store, or head to Robosechs and relax, or go to classes...
It's slow any way you go. Classes are generally the best bet once you have a combat bot who can escort you.
Starting at E lets you unlock D social bots for sales, which is good enough to start (you need a lot more for story stuff later).
Computer skill, no minimum skill is ever needed for anything; but stabilizing goes faster with it's higher.
I never worry about training for it specifically.
For selling bots, and the minimum to do so; Robosechs bots need at least a D sex skill; and a C sex skill is almost required to make any real profit if you're buying Flea Market and doing quick turnaround early on...
But the payout isn't all that good compared to BBS sales.
Learn the BBS sales minimum requirements; your skill can be 1 level lower than the bot you're training.
And the BBS requests repeat 1-2 times a week; so if you miss a sale just hold onto the bot and wait for the offer again.
(Storage space for bots can help with this, and renaming them so you know what they are for)
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Yeah I suppose you have a point there but the game is simple enough only the difficulty comes with grinding the more harder challenge you choose at the beginning. My second playthrough was even smoother because I found a S ranked Combat bot with very good Combat stats from Dump Yards. So what happened is every other day he was demolishing that UFC fight thing in mission in evening. And you can bet like 1k$ and get 20k$ and if you bet 10k$ then you are getting back 50k$. I remember my record was 10-3 or something. So he kinda become my cheat code to get through the playthrough. I didn't even have to work much either I may have done some workshop tinkering and stabilizing for the fun of it. But other than that he took care off the money grinding problem. I suppose I should have sold him earlier but then I was doing increased difficulty one so I was scared to do it.
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You're right about the potentially large impact of luck when scavenging. Both good and bad luck are part of the game. As you increase the difficulty level the chances of finding things at the dump decrease so finding that "magic bot" or "magic part" becomes less likely. You also get less AP from Housekeeper Bots at higher difficulty levels so you get fewer attempts at it. Even so, some people use a simple trick to create their own good luck.
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Oh for sure, and I don't doubt that a lot of people would bounce off an extra layer of grind to unlock use of a 'magic' bot or part. Anyway, neat game. Reminds me of Syndicate a bit. Just less fightey and more the other thing.
Yeah I was really lucky to get that "Magic Bot" on my 18th or 19th day I don't exactly remember but it was really early given how slow my progression was before getting him.
And about that spoiler thing I didn't even actually thought of doing it because the idea of it never came to me. Which is weird because I am a Pokemon player so before shiny hunting I am used to saving my game to make sure I can get it.
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All of the discussion of how to play the early part of SR24 reminds me why I loved DSCS. The early part of SR24 which is trying to pay off debt to the 'Syndicate' is equivalent to the entire DSCS game where you were trying to pay off debt to 'Mitsutachi'. I'm sure Radnor would have put a lot more into DSCS but unfortunately he had to abandon the game too soon.
I've put a lot of stuff into SR24 and I think most of it is pretty good but the best part of the game is still the initial quest created by Radnor. I'd recommend giving DSCS a try to anyone who never played it. You can download it from it's page here on F95Zone or from the Discord site that is shared by both DSCS and SR24. If you've played SR24 you already know how to play DSCS. Be warned though, it's harder than SR24 with the biggest difference being that there is no housekeeper role and no home gym so you never get more (or less) than 5 AP per turn.
I've put a lot of stuff into SR24 and I think most of it is pretty good but the best part of the game is still the initial quest created by Radnor. I'd recommend giving DSCS a try to anyone who never played it. You can download it from it's page here on F95Zone or from the Discord site that is shared by both DSCS and SR24. If you've played SR24 you already know how to play DSCS. Be warned though, it's harder than SR24 with the biggest difference being that there is no housekeeper role and no home gym so you never get more (or less) than 5 AP per turn.
I loved that game myself too and it's unfortunate the creator could not continue with it. But I am happy you made this game because many times I love some and it gets abandoned or no one takes the idea progress with it to their own new game. I am happy you did that .
Yeah I sure love the quality of life improvement here because Housekeeper is so important in early game to mid game of a save. I actually try to get to Housekeeper bots (both having 2 roles if possible) to get as early as possible. About Gym well I actually only worked out once daily in all 3 saves I have on different difficulties I have played. So far my main focus has always been tinkering weirdly. Maybe in my next save I will focus on MC combat thing so strength stamina will become important as in all saves my Combat rating never went above C
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Thanks for the comments. The home gym workouts take a while to have an effect but the effect is large. Two things about it;
1) Your assumption is logical but strength and stamina do not interact with combat skills. Your combat skills are as a trainer not as an actual fighter.
2) The home gym workouts are more important when you play at the higher difficulty settings.
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While I like your version, there are two issues I have, since i've took a time off to play the latest version.
These two things I really don't like about your fork:
A) That the AP after many, many days of workouts reverts back; it doesn't feel like a permanent upgrade, but a buff that demands a constant tax. It seems, at least to me, that the pay off doesn't really matches the effort made.
B) The second one is that if you HAVE to level up Social or invest it upfront during the skill point assignement because the game can lead you into a dead end situation...
Since you just can't guarantee an A+ Social bot for the mob sabotage quest and have to keep delivering higher and higher bots, I got into a cycle.
It just snowballed, if you don't know about it beforehand; I didn't remember about it and lost a whole playthru because I can't revert to a state where there's enough time to level it up before I get in a cycle.
And yes, even the 50k bot didn't help because on my lastest save my Social WAS mid B. Actually, the 50k bot made me lose the game due to the rent!
I know I could cheat, but that kinda defeats the whole point of playing...
It was on normal, though.
I'm going to start again, but forgetting about this "skill bottleneck" made me pretty miffed.
These two things I really don't like about your fork:
A) That the AP after many, many days of workouts reverts back; it doesn't feel like a permanent upgrade, but a buff that demands a constant tax. It seems, at least to me, that the pay off doesn't really matches the effort made.
B) The second one is that if you HAVE to level up Social or invest it upfront during the skill point assignement because the game can lead you into a dead end situation...
Since you just can't guarantee an A+ Social bot for the mob sabotage quest and have to keep delivering higher and higher bots, I got into a cycle.
It just snowballed, if you don't know about it beforehand; I didn't remember about it and lost a whole playthru because I can't revert to a state where there's enough time to level it up before I get in a cycle.
And yes, even the 50k bot didn't help because on my lastest save my Social WAS mid B. Actually, the 50k bot made me lose the game due to the rent!
I know I could cheat, but that kinda defeats the whole point of playing...
It was on normal, though.
I'm going to start again, but forgetting about this "skill bottleneck" made me pretty miffed.
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Sorry you don't like it but you're missing a few things:
1) This one is important: When you had "mid B" social skill you were fine. You can always train a bot to 1 level above your own skill level. Skill level is the LETTER ONLY, the percentage number doesn't matter. For example, if the MC is "(1%) B" and the bot is "(99%) B" training is still effective. Training loses effectiveness only when the bot reaches "(0%) A".
2) Sorry, in real life just like in the game if you stop working out you lose strength and stamina. Fitness works that way: "Use it or lose it" is the simple truth. In the game it's like this: If you want to increase your strength and stamina work out once a day. If you want to maintain your strength and stamina work out once every 3 to 4 days. If you work out less than this you will lose strength and stamina.
3) You can keep giving bots to the mob indefinitely with only "C" level skills until you achieve "B" level sex and social skill. Painful? Yes. Impossible? No.
4) You can go to Raymond's Bot Boutique and buy a luxury bot for about the same amount of money you get for selling 2 to 4 bots on the BBS. Painful but not impossible.
5) If you are still having trouble paying your rent why did you prioritize paying down your debt? You should have prioritized making your business profitable instead.
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Sorry, but you continue to ignore a real life fact that paying off a debt as fast as possible is better than not, especially when that debt came without any benefits. You have previously compared the game debt to a business loan, but it is not the same, because a business loan has a benefit of providing something positive to grow the business, however the game debt is all loss which just gets bigger by not paying it off earlier. The only reason it makes sense to you is that it gives time for the MC to develop skills for the mob quest, but that is seriously flawed logic. Again, the best fix would be to only have the Mob quest trigger once the MC has reached certain skill and money levels, which would represent a reputation to get the mobs attention, not just at the completion of paying off the Framed debt quest.
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Sorry you're unhappy, you have a right to your opinion but you're spitting into the wind.
I know, but at least hope you consider it before taking any more time away from your story content to work on some of your so called QoL changes you have done lately, lol.
Why need to have a certain skill level to trigger mob bot mission? Would that make the game too easy? You logic would be?
In reality, extortion doesn't care about your situation.
Paying down your debt can help you make your business profitable. Paying OFF your debt starts the next sequence of the game. Paying your debt down until you're only paying $1 per pay period and just leaving it there indefinitely can allow you to turn your business profitable, train your character's skills up, and build up some resources. This can be done at any difficulty level (though, obviously, it's easier to do and faster to do at easier levels), but does require some grind.