Vicky Sidhu

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the last i checked i had rights to make a judgment on something i spend my time on and not everything can be interesting to everyone and just like i said before i only stopped playing because i don't like the direction this story is taking and also because i don't like plot holes, specifically the ones that break third wall.

btw if you are going to respond to someone's comment then at least respond directly so the person you are responding to get a notification, i know i am doing the same but you can consider this revenge! XD
 
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the last i checked i had rights to make a judgment on something i spend my time on and not everything can be interesting to everyone and just like i said before i only stopped playing because i don't like the direction this story is taking and also because i don't like plot holes, specifically the ones that break third wall.

btw if you are going to respond to someone's comment then at least respond directly so the person you are responding to get a notification, i know i am doing the same but you can consider this revenge! XD
Wtf are you on about? The other guys comment wasn't specifically to you and doesn't say that you can't judge what you are spending time on. They said it is literally part of the plot, which it is, so not a plot hole. Ava has from the start been untrustworthy.

By the way, it is the FOURTH wall, not third. A movie or tv set has three walls, the fourth imaginary one is where the audience or the camera is. You are breaking that wall if you address the audience directly. It also doesn't happen here, so not only isn't there a plot hole, there isn't a fourth wall break.
 

Vicky Sidhu

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Wtf are you on about? The other guys comment wasn't specifically to you and doesn't say that you can't judge what you are spending time on. They said it is literally part of the plot, which it is, so not a plot hole. Ava has from the start been untrustworthy.

By the way, it is the FOURTH wall, not third. A movie or tv set has three walls, the fourth imaginary one is where the audience or the camera is. You are breaking that wall if you address the audience directly. It also doesn't happen here, so not only isn't there a plot hole, there isn't a fourth wall break.
yup she was but did you even read what i said? how is telling us (indirectly of course) everything while erasing mc memory is not a third wall breaker? and how is it not a plot hole? and btw its not forth wall its third wall, i won't bother explaining the difference so if you want to know go do a bit of research.

you maybe right about that i probably shouldn't have indirectly responded to an indirect reply or whatever it was.

Link to third/forth wall break definition for those who might be interested: ,

(Edit: just provided links to the definition of breaking third/forth wall)
 
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yup she was but did you even read what i said? how is telling us (indirectly of course) everything while erasing mc memory is not a third wall breaker? and how is it not a plot hole? and btw its not forth wall its third wall, i won't bother explaining the difference so if you want to know go do a bit of research.

you maybe right about that i probably shouldn't have indirectly responded to an indirect reply or whatever it was.

Link to third/forth wall break definition for those who might be interested: ,

(Edit: just provided links to the definition of breaking third/forth wall)
Okay, let's break it down.

Firstly, the term breaking the third wall hasn't been widely accepted yet, but let's go with it.
Your second link should be taken with a very critical eye. See how it mentions breaking the first, second and fifth wall as well, which isn't established terms and when you look them up, the few that are speaking of them are saying different things. This discredit the author of the article a good deal.

Your first link is better and it essentially defines the break as this: When a character addresses the medium.

Now you are running into a problem, because Ava isn't addressing the medium, she doesn't acknowledge she is in a game. She is speaking directly to the MC and while it may seem pointless, because he can't remember afterwards, that actually is the point. She is evil and can tell him her plan without him being able to defend against it. It is a power play. Remember the MC did the same thing to Scarlett. Making her aware, but unable to stop the process of her getting enslaved. A power play and revenge for the MC. Ava is doing something similar, we just happen to experience it from the victims side now.

As for it being a plot hole, well a plot hole is then there is inconsistency in the story or something is contradicting. This doesn't happen here. Not only doesn't the event contradict anything, if you look at Ava's behavior before, it falls quite in line with her already shown personality.

It is even more hilarious, when you realize it fixes at the time a presumed plot hole. Multiple people were saying that the way you tackled Bill's problem would be suspicious and was a stupid way to fix the problem, but it turned out that was actually Ava's intend, because she did want to raise suspicion and get caught. So the previous actions made sense, we just didn't know it at the time.
 
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Juerhullycin

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Okay, let's break it down.

Firstly, the term breaking the third wall hasn't been widely accepted yet, but let's go with it.
Your second link should be taken with a very critical eye. See how it mentions breaking the first, second and fifth wall as well, which isn't established terms and when you look them up, the few that are speaking of them are saying different things. This discredit the author of the article a good deal.

Your first link is better and it essentially defines the break as this: When a character addresses the medium.

Now you are running into a problem, because Ava isn't addressing the medium, she doesn't acknowledge she is in a game. She is speaking directly to the MC and while it may seem pointless, because he can't remember afterwards, that actually is the point. She is evil and can tell him her plan without him being able to defend against it. It is a power play. Remember the MC did the same thing to Scarlett. Making her aware, but unable to stop the process of her getting enslaved. A power play and revenge for the MC. Ava is doing something similar, we just happen to experience it from the victims side now.

As for it being a plot hole, well a plot hole is then there is inconsistency in the story or something is contradicting. This doesn't happen here. Not only doesn't the event contradict anything, if you look at Ava's behavior before, it falls quite in line with her already shown personality.

It is even more hilarious, when you realize it fixes at the time a presumed plot hole. Multiple people were saying that the way you tackled Bill's problem would be suspicious and was a stupid way to fix the problem, but it turned out that was actually Ava's intend, because she did want to raise suspicion and get caught. So the previous actions made sense, we just didn't know it at the time.
game is nonetheless completely worthless, because nothing we did was our doing, we aren't even the MC at that point.
 
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game is nonetheless completely worthless, because nothing we did was our doing, we aren't even the MC at that point.
Not true. Firstly we did do things out of our own volition, even if we were being manipulated, most of the time the interests aligned with each other. Secondly we are still the MC. Just because there is another pulling the threads doesn't make them the MC and furthermore it is still possible for the MC to get the upper hand later in the story.
 
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Not true. Firstly we did do things out of our own volition, even if we were being manipulated, most of the time the interests aligned with each other. Secondly we are still the MC. Just because there is another pulling the threads doesn't make them the MC and furthermore it is still possible for the MC to get the upper hand later in the story.
We hope so if not i dont see the point in having a mind control game where we are in fact the one being controlled this type of twists is very hard to pull them off they could be very good or they could make people hate the game also depends how much time this takes if the struggle takes to much time people are gonna get pissed after all we signing for mind control a harem not to be the ones controlled by the main antagonist
 

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Guys how do I corrupt Scarlett? I have 32 corruption point and I can't find a way to increase it? Is there any character I have to pursue first to get going with Scarlett?
 

Juerhullycin

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Not true. Firstly we did do things out of our own volition, even if we were being manipulated, most of the time the interests aligned with each other. Secondly we are still the MC. Just because there is another pulling the threads doesn't make them the MC and furthermore it is still possible for the MC to get the upper hand later in the story.
thats what you want, maybe the stuff MC did off his own volition is on Avas command you just dont know it yet.

Do we even know that MC is MC and that his "own volition" is his own? Memorys make up who we are and how we react to stuff, even if she's only able to let MC forget shit, how do we know any character is what they seem to be? Maybe we just forgot how they really are. Maybe Mc has an abysmal relationship whit them, maybe Kobe is MCs best friend and we just forgot that too. Its Bullshit thats what it is.
 
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thats what you want, maybe the stuff MC did off his own volition is on Avas command you just dont know it yet.

Do we even know that MC is MC and that his "own volition" is his own? Memorys make up who we are and how we react to stuff, even if she's only able to let MC forget shit, how do we know any character is what they seem to be? Maybe we just forgot how they really are. Maybe Mc has an abysmal relationship whit them, maybe Kobe is MCs best friend and we just forgot that too. Its Bullshit thats what it is.
The only bullshit to me is the crap you are spewing here. There is nothing indicating that this is going on and it would require further change than just to the MC. Kobe would for example also have been made to forget.

But if we are putting the tinfoil hat on and begin to speculate, how are you certain that in any story the characters are what they seem to be? You can't, you just have to go with what has been given you. At the moment in this particular story, there isn't reason to suspect that Ava has done things to you except for the times we have seen already. Why try to convince you to do change Bill, if see can easily rewire you? Why isn't she strong enough and has to give control back if see had altered the MC completely already? Heck why do she need to take control, if she already has it?

Your speculations are wild and unlikely, so it is stupid to jump to conclusion from them. See how it goes instead.
 

Juerhullycin

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The only bullshit to me is the crap you are spewing here. There is nothing indicating that this is going on and it would require further change than just to the MC. Kobe would for example also have been made to forget.

But if we are putting the tinfoil hat on and begin to speculate, how are you certain that in any story the characters are what they seem to be? You can't, you just have to go with what has been given you. At the moment in this particular story, there isn't reason to suspect that Ava has done things to you except for the times we have seen already. Why try to convince you to do change Bill, if see can easily rewire you? Why isn't she strong enough and has to give control back if see had altered the MC completely already? Heck why do she need to take control, if she already has it?

Your speculations are wild and unlikely, so it is stupid to jump to conclusion from them. See how it goes instead.
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If Ava was never apart of mc the medieval part in mc's mind made no sense and is a massive plot hole.

The reason given when mc was drug and can't use his powers, but Ava can made absolutely no sense. The only way it would make sense is if Ava taking over magically turns mc's body into hers, but it didn't. Others still see mc's body as mc mind controlled or not. And if Ava was that powerful she would never need mc to begin with. Why would she tell mc he is never getting his body back just to give it back instantly.

The reasons and explainations given by Ava does not make sense given her actions. If you had the key to you cell the entire time, why would you stay in that cell. Ava could of done everyting that mc did but better with less time and effort. We've know she was very powerful on the first day. It just bad writing.
 
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