Fulminato

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I think the twist with Ava should really be removed from the game, because it is revealed that you are not actually building a harem, but literally destroying yourself. Even if there is a later story development at some indeterminate point that may or may not be developed, so far, this is what is happening in the game.

So you can reveal new girls and so forth, but what is really happening is a continuation of your character's unknowing destruction of his own mind.

If you look at similar games with similar story ambitions, they often just end up getting stuck and abandoned. And in this case, it is taking a game which was essentially based on power fantasy and making the player helpless, because the player character doesn't even know he's dooming himself.
you mean a boring and uninteresting story? yea. without any serious antagonist is what you got.
the dev had said it will never switch from a mind controlling game in a mind controlled game (it's a honest fear, after the last update). and i trust him.

having the MC find a way to turn the table with ava will be interesting, because for now, she had the absolute upper hand.
 
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If you look at similar games with similar story ambitions, they often just end up getting stuck and abandoned.
Bit of a false conclusion you arrived to here. Many games on this site gets abandoned regardless of their level of ambition in the story. Unless you can show a link between ambition and abandonment, this is nothing more than you speculating what might happen with little to no merit.
 
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graverobber

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you mean a boring and uninteresting story? yea. without any serious antagonist is what you got.
the dev had said it will never switch from a mind controlling game in a mind controlled game (it's a honest fear, after the last update). and i trust him.

having the MC find a way to turn the table with ava will be interesting, because for now, she had the absolute upper hand.
"boring and uninteresting story"
1. thats your opinion
2. that implies you found the game prior to the ava event "boring and uninteresting"

"without any serious antagonist"
1. you do not need any kind of antagonist in a mind control game
2. you do remember this is a porn game right?

"the dev had said it will never switch from a mind controlling game in a mind controlled game"
that is literally what happened in the last ava update, it being a (apparent) temporary state doesn't change the fact that it happened

"and i trust him"
1. why?
2. "will never switch" a temporary switch is still a switch

"having the MC find a way to turn the table with ava will be interesting"
i agree but it should not be left up in air for the foreseeable future because it goes against the core appeal of the mind control kink which is that of a power fantasy, as a result people who love mind control porn games (aka ME) are not given much incentive to continue playing, it should have wraped up the switch in power a the end of the event (possibly with the implied threat of future attempts by eva & the mc having to do something about stoping her being able to do so), that way it would not deter players who love mind control (aka the main kink & draw of the game) from continuing with future versions
 

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I've always been a little hesitant about the mind control tag. zombie-like women with no will of their own

Is this mental control decisive for the MC to fuck the women in the game?
 

Fulminato

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"boring and uninteresting story"
1. thats your opinion
2. that implies you found the game prior to the ava event "boring and uninteresting"
it's an objective and verificable fact. you can pass over this elements, if for you mean little, but they still remains.
before last update the "apparent" antagonist where the fed, but we see they aren't so fearsom as they were depicted

"without any serious antagonist"
1. you do not need any kind of antagonist in a mind control game
2. you do remember this is a porn game right?
absolutely non relevant. a story is a story. without any antagonist or challenge to overcome the story will be plain, boring and uniteresting. the fact most porn game had terrible and idot story don't mean every porn game should, or we need to stop to ask a better narrative.

"the dev had said it will never switch from a mind controlling game in a mind controlled game"
that is literally what happened in the last ava update, it being a (apparent) temporary state doesn't change the fact that it happened
tell me you don't know nothing about mind control (ing/ed) games without tell me you don't know nothing about mind control (ing/ed) games.

we don't do in a any compulsory way ava bidding. the MC isn't mind controlled to do anything. just what the player/mc want is what ava want for her masterplan. a crucial point in mind control game from the controlled part is doing thing against their will. you cannot turn around that point. it's an absolute requirement. and ava don't mind force the MC to do anything. she manipulate him using a fake sense trust she build with the MC.

"and i trust him"
1. why?
2. "will never switch" a temporary switch is still a switch
because it's the only one with an idea about how the story will develope, other people can only speculate. and there isn't any switch, ava already take the control of the MC body once, you don't see anything she has done, but it's already happen, nor she mind control MC mind, you for real don't have any idea about this genere and its tropes.

"having the MC find a way to turn the table with ava will be interesting"
i agree but it should not be left up in air for the foreseeable future because it goes against the core appeal of the mind control kink which is that of a power fantasy, as a result people who love mind control porn games (aka ME) are not given much incentive to continue playing, it should have wraped up the switch in power a the end of the event (possibly with the implied threat of future attempts by eva & the mc having to do something about stoping her being able to do so), that way it would not deter players who love mind control (aka the main kink & draw of the game) from continuing with future versions
a lot of words to said "my little ego is hurt because the MC isn't a uber power player without any chance to beign outplayed."
because that is what happen.

a lot of mind control game (i think is the majority) have the protagonist succumb external mind control power. they don't stop to cater the mind control kink because the MC isn't the one doing it. i hate them, but my personal taste mean nothing in a genere definition, or the fact some game belong to some genere or not.

the fact you cannot handle the fact it existthe danger to play under an antagonist mind control power it's your problem. it's can be done very well, one of the best mind control game of all time, lilith device, do that a couple of time.
 
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graverobber

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it's an objective and verificable fact. you can pass over this elements, if for you mean little, but they still remains.
before last update the "apparent" antagonist where the fed, but we see they aren't so fearsom as they were depicted



absolutely non relevant. a story is a story. without any antagonist or challenge to overcome the story will be plain, boring and uniteresting. the fact most porn game had terrible and idot story don't mean every porn game should, or wee need to stop to ask a better narrative.



tell me you don't know nothing about mind control (ing/ed) games without tell me you don't know nothing about mind control (ing/ed) games.

we don't do in a any compulsory way ava bidding. the MC isn't mind controlled to do anything. just what the player/mc want is what ava want for her masterplan. a crucial point in mind control game from the controlled part is doing thing against their will. you cannot turn around that point. it's an absolute requirement. and ava don't mind force the MC to do anything. she manipulate him using a fake sense trust she build with the MC.



because it's the only one with an idea about how the story will develope, other people can only speculate. and there isn't any switch, ava already take the control of the MC body once, you don't see anything she has done, but it's already happen, nor she mind control MC mind, you for real don't have any idea about this genere and its tropes.



a lot of words to said "my little ego is hurt because the MC isn't a uber power player without any chance to beign outplayed."
because that is what happen.

a lot of mind control game (i think is the majority) have the protagonist succumb external mind control power. they don't stop to cater the mind control kink because the MC isn't the one doing it. i hate them, but my personal taste mean nothing in a genere definition, or the fact some game belong to some genere or not.

the fact you cannot handle the fact it existthe danger to play under an antagonist mind control power it's your problem. it's can be done very well, one of the best mind control game of all time, lilith device, do that a couple of time.
"it's an objective and verificable fact"
your opinion dose not become a fact just because it's yours

"without any antagonist or challenge to overcome the story will be plain, boring and uniteresting"
again, thats your opinion, not a fact
an antagonist (regardless of severity) is not a necessary element in a porn game

"the fact most porn game had terrible and idot story don't mean every porn game should"
you are yet again confusing opinion & fact

"ask a better narrative"
look for better narratives somewhere other than porn games

"tell me you don't know nothing about mind control (ing/ed) games without tell me you don't know nothing about mind control (ing/ed) games."
1. your opinion
2. weak

"the MC isn't mind controlled to do anything"
ava uses literal supernatural mental powers to get the mc to do what she wants

"and ava don't mind force the MC to do anything"
1. she effectively has the ability to save scum by erasing memories untill she gets a desirable outcome
2. claiming that the moon is green dose not make it so

"she manipulate him"
1. yep and she uses supernatural mental powers to do so
2. manipulation is a form of control

"because it's the only one with an idea about how the story will develope, other people can only speculate."
this dose not explain why you trust him

"and there isn't any switch, ava already take the control of the MC body once"
i was not referring to control of the mcs body, but the switch from moving pieces around a hypothetical board to being a piece on said board

"nor she mind control MC mind"
?

"you for real don't have any idea about this genere and its tropes."
again opinion not fact
 

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I think it's pretty fucking obvious the protagonist will turn the tables on Ava at some point. She's the antagonist.
And she was suspicious as hell since the beginning, I wasn't surprised by her turning on him, honestly.
 
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Your normal life is thrown out of whack after you realize you have the power to control the minds of others.
You will use this power to make all your dreams, desires and wishes come true!
A world with countless quests, figures, plots and locations are waiting to be discovered and controlled by you!​
I would recommend sticking to this. I play Doom games to have fun killing demons, not for moments where it is revealed to the player, but not the player character, that the player character is actually a crazy person killing innocent humans, and then go right back into a huge firefight. Even though the gameplay would still be the same, the immersive feel would be retroactively changed, and it would be pretty much impossible to shake going forward.
 
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does this game require a walkthrough for the choices when interracting with each girl or character ??

That. Do our choices when talking to the girls matter? And if yes, is there a walkthrough or generic guide?
I.e. does being a dick leads to different (or blocked) content?
 
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That. Do our choices when talking to the girls matter? And if yes, is there a walkthrough or generic guide?
I.e. does being a dick leads to different (or blocked) content?
Mostly it can affect how much they are corrupted. You immediately get a notification if corruption has increased or decreased, so you can easily roll back. You won't be blocked from any content, but you may need to grind a little bit to bring the woman in question up to the required corruption level before you can proceed.

Take Sarah for example. Before her last quest, you would need her to be 80 in corruption. If you have picked all the right options prior, she will already be at that level. If you haven't done that, at the end of the penultimate quest, the MC will say that you need to increase her corruption a bit before advancing.

All in all, no guide or walkthrough is really needed, because the game is quite transparent.
 
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HongTeaPot

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Interesting game, but I have some questions:
1.would there be any new stories for those subdued girls?
2.would there be any differences in the story lines, for different personalities that MC choose for a subdued girl?
3.does pregnancy make any difference to the following story lines?
 
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Interesting game, but I have some questions:
1.would there be any new stories for those subdued girls?
2.would there be any differences in the story lines, for different personalities that MC choose for a subdued girl?
3.does pregnancy make any difference to the following story lines?
The dev has already answered those or similar questions on discord:

1) In general no. When a girl is subdued her story is mostly considered done, but there will be some exceptions. Eleanor will have a part in subduing her architect friend, Sofia will likely play a part in Cara's or have shared scenes with her afterwards. Both Sofia and Chloe likely will have some story since you live with them. Luna will have a part in the main story, due to her unique situation.

2) Properly not. I guess they can't be mindless during that time.

3) Likely not.
 
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comacchio

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In what world is around 2 months long? You seem to have no clue how long it takes to develop a game.

You are an example of one of those unreasonable players lipe was talking about.
I don't think it is unreasonable to say what I did. I was complimentary of the game and yes, I do realise that working on such an undertaking is long and arduous, but an update which more often than not lasts no longer than two or three scenes, adds almost nothing to the story. Waiting a bit longer (which is what I said I would be doing) to download say, 4 or 5 updates at one times give the player an opportunity to really get back into (and enjoy) the game.
 
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HongTeaPot

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The dev has already answered those or similar questions on discord:

1) In general no. When a girl is subdued her story is mostly considered done, but there will be some exceptions. Eleanor will have a part in subduing her architect friend, Sofia will likely play a part in Cara's or have shared scenes with her afterwards. Both Sofia and Chloe likely will have some story since you live with them. Luna will have a part in the main story, due to her unique situation.

2) Properly not. I guess they can't be mindless during that time.

3) Likely not.
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I don't think it is unreasonable to say what I did... but an update which more often than not lasts no longer than two or three scenes, adds almost nothing to the story.
If you straight up have to lie, I say it would fall into the category of being unreasonable.

Let's look at the updates:

0.11 included the entire Luna questlines and the second main quest
0.10 Added two Scarlett quests, each having multiple scenes
0.09 Scarlett quest, Sofia and Chloe quest with many interactions with them in different scenarios
0.08 Chloe quest and 2 Sarah quests
0.07 First main, Bill and Sofia quests

Where exactly did you pull out that "more often than not"

To be clear, I don't have a problem with people waiting, downloading and playing multiple updates in one go, instead of playing them as they come out. But there is no way you can say that the updates takes too long or are too short. Their size compared to their frequency is some of the best you will find on this site. You implying the opposite is something I take issue with.
 

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If you straight up have to lie, I say it would fall into the category of being unreasonable.

Let's look at the updates:

0.11 included the entire Luna questlines and the second main quest
0.10 Added two Scarlett quests, each having multiple scenes
0.09 Scarlett quest, Sofia and Chloe quest with many interactions with them in different scenarios
0.08 Chloe quest and 2 Sarah quests
0.07 First main, Bill and Sofia quests

Where exactly did you pull out that "more often than not"

To be clear, I don't have a problem with people waiting, downloading and playing multiple updates in one go, instead of playing them as they come out. But there is no way you can say that the updates takes too long or are too short. Their size compared to their frequency is some of the best you will find on this site. You implying the opposite is something I take issue with.
lets be fair here ,the updates not matter the time for the development,are short,but is true that the dev work at nice speed to develop the game,im also wait 2 or 3 updates for a good amount of playtime, but after all depends who is playing and how...the pace is good and also the script,so for me no matter the lenght of the updates.
 
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lets be fair here ,the updates not matter the time for the development,are short,but is true that the dev work at nice speed to develop the game,im also wait 2 or 3 updates for a good amount of playtime, but after all depends who is playing and how...the pace is good and also the script,so for me no matter the lenght of the updates.
I don't agree that the updates are short. Compared to the other games I play here, they are either similar length or longer. One should also consider that there isn't really any busywork that artificially blow up the play time.

Take the last update, let's say for argument sake that each quest only takes 5 minutes, which is a somewhat low number, unless you are skipping dialogue and if that is the case, can you really complain? There are 5 quests in the update, 4 Luna and a main quest. That means you get 25 minutes out of the update. I wouldn't call that short in any way. Again it is mostly story and little grind. I stand by thinking people are unreasonable if they think this is on the low end. at least half an hour every two months is a good pace.
 
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