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IFortheGloryn

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Yeah that's pretty much the game, the gameplay is good, but the plot is just terrible. It's worse when you know the dev gets offended at the outright idea of people supporting (and rightfully so) genocide, because God forbid that people make their own opinions of a game and its characters. Take MGQ for example, it managed to have a coherent plot, unlike this one.
look the idea behind of genocide route is not "you can't do it" but actually is "you don't want to do it", I mean you have a lot of reason not to get this path, like:some of the enemies have good reason or were good inside,your game gonna crash and everyone will get a really bad ending, so why would anyone suport this just because of freedom?
even if you think that your enemy is a bad guy destroy the whole world just because you want to stop him doesn't make you a good person.
 

SomePerson009

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look the idea behind of genocide route is not "you can't do it" but actually is "you don't want to do it", I mean you have a lot of reason not to get this path, like:some of the enemies have good reason or were good inside,your game gonna crash and everyone will get a really bad ending, so why would anyone suport this just because of freedom?
even if you think that your enemy is a bad guy destroy the whole world just because you want to stop him doesn't make you a good person.
But that's the issue. You either destroy the world because of what lurks inside Kazuya or let unrepentant monsters get away with all the bad stuff they have done and WILL continue to do in the future. All because the dev couldn't think of a coherent story that could address this very issue. Why give the option in the first place if you are going to demonize the player for formulating his own subjective opinion on a dilemma? I think it's very dishonest. Keep in mind that all of this was done because a decent amount of the playerbase supported the genocide of monsters and the dev felt it was a personal attack on his work. As many people mentioned, the game is pretty good, it gets the monster genre right but let's not pretend like the plot was worth praising. The plot is just terrible and at least felt like something that needed to be revised.
 

Noah Neim

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look the idea behind of genocide route is not "you can't do it" but actually is "you don't want to do it", I mean you have a lot of reason not to get this path, like:some of the enemies have good reason or were good inside,your game gonna crash and everyone will get a really bad ending, so why would anyone suport this just because of freedom?
even if you think that your enemy is a bad guy destroy the whole world just because you want to stop him doesn't make you a good person.

Why? Because it's our choice
First time players, who literally know nothing about the game, observe what was shown, and what was that?
Several messages, notes and logs, from soldiers BEGGING for their lives, writing their last words to their loved ones, not a single one of them has anything good about what mg are doing.


And as for what doing the genocide route does to kazuya and the world (still dont understand that), how the fuck am i supposed to know that? I only downloaded this game for the first time, i played it for the first time, so how am i supposed to know that are 'the chosen one' protaganist is actually some eldrich god that destroys the world or whatever.


We lack the knowledge, and we are shown that the mg ARE. BLOOD. THIRSTY.

I don't care that they're being controlled, or that they don't know anything, or are following orders, they are fighting with lethal force, so the answer should be lethal force.
Otherwise, they will keep coming back, over and over again until you decide to 'save' the blood thirsty monsters that are attacking you, or kill every single one of them until they stop coming.
 
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Keep in mind that all of this was done because a decent amount of the playerbase supported the genocide of monsters and the dev felt it was a personal attack on his work.
From what I remember that was the changes to the progression, not the actual storyline itself. There was always a matter of True Mercy being, well, true mercy.
 

SomePerson009

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From what I remember that was the changes to the progression, not the actual storyline itself. There was always a matter of True Mercy being, well, true mercy.
EX4 was basically an entire story about how some "Interveners" (Players) are evil people that made Kazuya suffer the equivalent of hell for controlling him and letting him slaughter demons. So yes he integrated that whole thing into the storyline itself.
 

Cakei

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A sweet sweet talk here.
That why my favorite ending is neutral ending 2.
Kazuya still fight with the monster and he still herself without the chose one thing.
 
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LordofWTF

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Sep 9, 2021
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anyone here got a debug tool for shrift that i can screw around with? i already beat ex4 and filled my monster entry to 100% now im awaiting the black kitsune fox also if i must ask is there anymore codes for the roast chicken
thanks in advance.
 
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Noah Neim

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anyone here got a debug tool for shrift that i can screw around with? i already beat ex4 and filled my monster entry to 100% now im awaiting the black kitsune fox also if i must ask is there anymore codes for the roast chicken
thanks in advance.
You can use mtool, incredibly simple and offers everything you could need
But make sure to save your data before using cause i had a case of it corrupting my game
 

geheim12347

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Is there a way to unlock the merchant? I thought I was gonna get her after I replayed chapter 3 to get her but after defeating Titanaboa she still isn't there...
 

diclo

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Dec 6, 2020
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whats the difference between v8.06 and v7.02 (t2.14)? I see that the DL is now 8.06 (though another link would be appreciated as those keep automatically redirecting me to other sites) but i dont see anything in the thread changelog and the 'update date' is old
 

TheeSonus

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whats the difference between v8.06 and v7.02 (t2.14)? I see that the DL is now 8.06 (though another link would be appreciated as those keep automatically redirecting me to other sites) but i dont see anything in the thread changelog and the 'update date' is old
-EX4 was added and translated, the rest of the EX-s were translated
-DLCs were translated I believe
-Genocide route was made impossible without cheating (actually, if i could make a request, could you upload and share v7.02? would be cool of you, since I don't have it anymore)
Pretty sure that's about it
 

Restia985

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-EX4 was added and translated, the rest of the EX-s were translated
-DLCs were translated I believe
-Genocide route was made impossible without cheating (actually, if i could make a request, could you upload and share v7.02? would be cool of you, since I don't have it anymore)
Pretty sure that's about it
Wait, if you cheat to complete it does anything actually happen or does the game just break lol?
 

TheeSonus

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Wait, if you cheat to complete it does anything actually happen or does the game just break lol?
If you cheat to complete it, I'm fairly sure you still have the options that were there before, either taking the boss' hand and getting the Pardon ending or finishing the boss off and getting the Genocide ending. Unsure though as I haven't done it myself, never felt it was important enough for me to bother replaying the route again.
 

Restia985

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If you cheat to complete it, I'm fairly sure you still have the options that were there before, either taking the boss' hand and getting the Pardon ending or finishing the boss off and getting the Genocide ending. Unsure though as I haven't done it myself, never felt it was important enough for me to bother replaying the route again.
Ah, I see. thank you!
 

xXLost

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Nov 23, 2021
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what do i have to do to fight the giant sphinx, i'm at the ex 3 and I can't find a way to fight her can someone help me please
 

Noah Neim

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I'd be real careful with your cheating cause the save file fucking breaks with any minor change you do
 

Shiryu080

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what do i have to do to fight the giant sphinx, i'm at the ex 3 and I can't find a way to fight her can someone help me please
  • Escape the fight.
  • Talk to the Fairy Queen and Cheshire (if they are there. I already forgot).
  • Leave EX 3 and go to "Memento's Machine" (Machine in Hell with the Scientist) > Memento [Lion Riddler]. You can skip the preamble. You'll notice a new dialogue will happen.
  • When you're done reading all that and left the memento memories, buy supplies of Herbs (5 is recommended) and go back in EX3. Spy the Sphinx with the help of the two fairies now waiting in front of the gate. If the dialogue says to wait a little longer, drink tea using the tea set of Cheshire then spy on the sphinx again. Repeat until the dialogue changes and says you can confront her.

You can proceed afterwards.
 
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Shiryu080

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I don't get it.

I finished the game with the True Mercy Ending, finished all EXs
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Completed the Demon Compedium to 100% and even received
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Yet the 4th red cristal doesn't seem freed and I can't proceed. Can anyone help me? I'm using version 8.07
 
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