RPGM Completed SHRIFT [v8.07] [DEVIL'S OFFICE]

[YouShallNotLol]

Except he didn't use magic in the first encounter. And for the ambush, I'd expect anyone to be in a disadvantage during one. If he'd lost there, it wouldn't be counter to my argument.

He had a fucking gun. I highly doubt that your average billy has a gun at all. Stop disregarding the gun as if it's nothing special.

I don't know about that. People get off with no punishment doing bad stuff all the time and others just go along with it. In this case, they wouldn't have a choice.

Do you even hear yourself? They wouldn't have a choice? That's literally opposite of humans and demons becoming friends. If you make someone listen to you by force that's not friendship, that's slavery.

Besides, don't equate members of our own species misbehaving to literal demons engaging in full on genocide.Also, when an animal does something bad it immediately gets shot to death, so this bias only relates to humans.

I'm talking about in ex 1. And she wasn't only starving, she was also injured to the point she couldn't move and talk. In ex 1, Kazuya tries to get her to open the door but the girl doesn't answer because she's too weak to move. He wouldn't be able to save her in the main game because he didn't know she was there and the door would be locked. Furthermore, because Kazuya befriended Mother Rabbit in the main game, she learned that there was a store nearby she could get supplies from and uses that to heal the girl in ex 1 instead of her milk. The perfect example of a human benefiting from someone else befriending a demon.

That's just a developer's bias. The note in the main game clearly says that the girl went and opened the door to the Mother Rabbit by herself, so she had strenght to both move and talk. Dev retconned it in ex1 to make Mother Rabbit look better in the eyes of players.

If it weren't popular, games wouldn't be copying it.

Games copy it because having several routes and endings increases replayability and makes your game look better, not because people are psychopaths who love to murder everything they see. But if people really were so bloodthirsty, we'd already be waging WW3 instead of playing porn games.

I don't remember her saying something like this but there was still a lethal demon in the facility Kazuya wakes up in, Empuse. And let's not forget that Kazuya defeated Titanoboa, who purely uses attacks instead of seduction, with the help of a demon.

She does. After Kazuya leaves the shelter she explains that entire fucking army of really scary monsters had already moved on and that only rapey vultures like Camazotz remained. Empuse and Titanoboa were fighting him 1 on 1, I doubt that Kazuya has any chance in a fight against an entire squad of monsters of equal to Empuse's strength.

 

[reconazific]

umm so it's like this, I challenged nina in a dance fight got her rating to about 87% and she started singing, buut I lost the fight and i got teleported back to hell, and now whenever i try to fight her, even when i get the ratings to 99% she does not start singing, do i have to start the whole game from the beginning? pls help

 

[Phenir]

He had a fucking gun. I highly doubt that your average billy has a gun at all. Stop disregarding the gun as if it's nothing special.

I don't know where you're from but getting a gun isn't exactly hard.

Do you even hear yourself? They wouldn't have a choice? That's literally opposite of humans and demons becoming friends. If you make someone listen to you by force that's not friendship, that's slavery.

Besides, don't equate members of our own species misbehaving to literal demons engaging in full on genocide.Also, when an animal does something bad it immediately gets shot to death, so this bias only relates to humans.

They don't have a choice because I doubt the people compassionate enough to get along with a demon are going to just let them die.
I don't know why you brought animals up. Animals generally lack intelligence to be reasoned with. Demons have intelligence.

That's just a developer's bias. The note in the main game clearly says that the girl went and opened the door to the Mother Rabbit by herself, so she had strenght to both move and talk. Dev retconned it in ex1 to make Mother Rabbit look better in the eyes of players.

That doesn't change the fact of what happened. Mother Rabbit still blocked the harpies from ambushing Kazuya and the girl, and with the ability to access the store, instead of using her milk, Mother Rabbit used the supplies there to help her. It also doesn't change that Kazuya wouldn't know she was there in the main game so he wouldn't be able to save her there anyway. At best, he might jiggle the handle, see it was locked, and move on.

Games copy it because having several routes and endings increases replayability and makes your game look better, not because people are psychopaths who love to murder everything they see. But if people really were so bloodthirsty, we'd already be waging WW3 instead of playing porn games.

Or people are just capable of distinguishing between reality and fiction. That's literally the point of the game. Despite there being no consequences for you as the player, you are praised for choosing the "good" option without touching the "bad" option. Those that go the other route are reprimanded but nothing else. You can turn off the game, fume at the author, and move on with your life.
You're also misunderstanding what I said. I didn't say it's popular because you get to kill everyone, which is something you can do in plenty of games. I said it's popular you get to kill everyone AND you get a unique storyline out of it. Most games where you are given that option, you still end up on the same track as the person that didn't. We're making the same argument here.

She does. After Kazuya leaves the shelter she explains that entire fucking army of really scary monsters had already moved on and that only rapey vultures like Camazotz remained. Empuse and Titanoboa were fighting him 1 on 1, I doubt that Kazuya has any chance in a fight against an entire squad of monsters of equal to Empuse's strength.

And what's your point here? Multiple demons can beat one human? Not really a shocker. That there are demons that should be killed? I never denied that and in fact stated several times that I would support that. What I'm taking issue with here is that ALL demons should be killed, no exceptions.
Also, neither Empuse or Titanoboa were 1v1. Empuse had help from Hecate so it was a 2v1 in their favor and they still lost. Titanoboa was Kazuya + Hyaki and they won when previously Hyaki had to sacrifice herself to win but by working together they could put out enough damage to make Titanoboa admit defeat.

umm so it's like this, I challenged nina in a dance fight got her rating to about 87% and she started singing, buut I lost the fight and i got teleported back to hell, and now whenever i try to fight her, even when i get the ratings to 99% she does not start singing, do i have to start the whole game from the beginning? pls help

Try beating her anyway and see if she appears in My Room.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

I don't know where you're from but getting a gun isn't exactly hard.

Stop projecting. USA is the only country in the entire world where just anybody can get a gun. There's also places with unimaginably strict firearm control, like Japan where your only chance of getting a gun is while you serve in the police or in the military, and even then your gun is gonna be taken away when you retire.

They don't have a choice because I doubt the people compassionate enough to get along with a demon are going to just let them die.
I don't know why you brought animals up. Animals generally lack intelligence to be reasoned with. Demons have intelligence.


That doesn't change the fact of what happened. Mother Rabbit still blocked the harpies from ambushing Kazuya and the girl, and with the ability to access the store, instead of using her milk, Mother Rabbit used the supplies there to help her. It also doesn't change that Kazuya wouldn't know she was there in the main game so he wouldn't be able to save her there anyway. At best, he might jiggle the handle, see it was locked, and move on.


Or people are just capable of distinguishing between reality and fiction. That's literally the point of the game. Despite there being no consequences for you as the player, you are praised for choosing the "good" option without touching the "bad" option. Those that go the other route are reprimanded but nothing else. You can turn off the game, fume at the author, and move on with your life.
You're also misunderstanding what I said. I didn't say it's popular because you get to kill everyone, which is something you can do in plenty of games. I said it's popular you get to kill everyone AND you get a unique storyline out of it. Most games where you are given that option, you still end up on the same track as the person that didn't. We're making the same argument here.


And what's your point here? Multiple demons can beat one human? Not really a shocker. That there are demons that should be killed? I never denied that and in fact stated several times that I would support that. What I'm taking issue with here is that ALL demons should be killed, no exceptions.
Also, neither Empuse or Titanoboa were 1v1. Empuse had help from Hecate so it was a 2v1 in their favor and they still lost. Titanoboa was Kazuya + Hyaki and they won when previously Hyaki had to sacrifice herself to win but by working together they could put out enough damage to make Titanoboa admit defeat.


Try beating her anyway and see if she appears in My Room.

You are the one who should learn to discern reality from fiction. Humans can't even establish peace between themselves. Wars are keep going on, old ones constantly get prolonged and new ones are getting started every couple years. There's literally not a single chance of humanity establishing peace with literal demons who view people only as food.
People who preach friendship will just be slaughtered without mercy by the very demons they are trying to befriend. Even if you become friends with some of the demons, there's no guarantee that they won't be slaughtered together with you, as we've seen there's monsters like Titanoboa who don't give a fuck about who they kill. From demon's point of view it's like if cattle were trying to befriend their farmers.
Are you really naive enough to think that our xenophobic warmongering species will be able to establish peace with entirely different species of creatures that are to their very core hostile towards us?

 

[Clawfoot66]

Guys guys, please. I understand that this game has a great story, with plenty of in depth details and many nuances. But at the end of the day it is still simply a porn game. Nothing wrong with enjoying/hating the story or its morals, but their isn't any reason to fight over fap material.

So please try to relax, and enjoy the porn(or not) in peace.

 

[ggjohnson4256]

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[Minishotgun]

This entire discussion right now only proves what i've said a dozen pages ago, the issue with the game and it's story is that they try to treat the demons as a "they ain't so bad once you get to know them" story, while also painting them as remorseless killers that gladly suck you dry if they get the chance. resulting in Unintentional Unsympathetic Characters.

bargest? a literal lapdog that does as she is told to find and rape humans, suddenly turns into a lovely house-pet once befriended.
Lampas? acts like the "smarter henchman" compared to bargest, singleminded in their goal to turn you and herself into a lamp, until you befriend her and she acts like a cheeky girlfriend that loves romance comics. and i have to joke "sheesh where was your romance when you tried to turn me into a biological ikea Tableware?"
hell, even some of the more friendly ones like echo are mean to you, fall for her "healing bath" and before you know it she brainwashes you into staying with her.

the result is that it's all too easy to hate the demons and see no problem in killing them all, eye for an eye so to speak, and a bad case of being unintentional unsympathetic. don't get me wrong, i like the game, but it's easy for me to understand why so many gladly do the genocide run, the demons REALLY don't endear themselves to us UNTIL we recruit them and they show their friendly side.

let's look at lampas again, when the event starts to recruit her, we have been hounded by them the entire level, they corner us and still try to turn us into a damn lamp, until we struggle free and her boss decides to roast her some bit before firing her, and then we get the chance to save her or get the hell out of dodge.

what reason besides "having a gentle heart" would we have to spare someone who just tried taking our lives mere moments ago? hell, i nearly did a genocide run on accident because i didn't realize the first time playing that i'm NOT supposed to execute the demons if i wanna get the best ending.

 

[yeassss]

Bro how you gonna argue so much about a porn game :skull: :skull: :skull:

 

[TheeSonus]

Bro how you gonna argue so much about a porn game :skull: :skull: :skull:

because that's... kind of the point of a forum? discussing the topic of it? do you really not know this?

 

[Phenir]

let's look at lampas again, when the event starts to recruit her, we have been hounded by them the entire level, they corner us and still try to turn us into a damn lamp, until we struggle free and her boss decides to roast her some bit before firing her, and then we get the chance to save her or get the hell out of dodge.

what reason besides "having a gentle heart" would we have to spare someone who just tried taking our lives mere moments ago? hell, i nearly did a genocide run on accident because i didn't realize the first time playing that i'm NOT supposed to execute the demons if i wanna get the best ending.

Now she owes you one for saving her. Well, whether you can think that or not depends on if you think demons can be trusted. The player has yet to be betrayed by a demon in game so whether they can trust them or not would be based on prejudice.

Even if you don't befriend them, you still run into demons who won't even touch you. Like Hyaki or the Lampas and other demons at the store.

because that's... kind of the point of a forum? discussing the topic of it? do you really not know this?

Don't think, just consume product.

 

[SymbolicSalad]

The guy who said it's only easy to get a gun in the USA and nowhere else pretty obviously hasn't been out of his seemingly gun-strict home country.

Which would mean that their knowledge of Japan's guns would only come from media they've consumed what whatever they were curious enough to google, which is a pretty flimsy basis for an argument.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Why Daji debuff keeps stacking up even tho I defeat her? Seems like a bug.
I've completed two playthroughs and I got a level of Daji debuff after each of them.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

The guy who said it's only easy to get a gun in the USA and nowhere else pretty obviously hasn't been out of his seemingly gun-strict home country.

Which would mean that their knowledge of Japan's guns would only come from media they've consumed what whatever they were curious enough to google, which is a pretty flimsy basis for an argument.

And you are the gun expert who traveled the entire world and learned about how to get guns in each and every country?

 

[SymbolicSalad]

And you are the gun expert who traveled the entire world and learned about how to get guns in each and every country?

nah I haven't been to any Asian countries.

 

[bwardyunbip]

Why Daji debuff keeps stacking up even tho I defeat her? Seems like a bug.
I've completed two playthroughs and I got a level of Daji debuff after each of them.

fight the slime waltz Daji using her bronze box until you've removed all corruption.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Why Haru and Liz aren't approaching me? It's a new game with NG+ Bonuses turned off. Stupid mutts.

Edit: Reinstalling the game into another folder and copypasting the save seems to have resolved this issue.

 

[Phenir]

Why Daji debuff keeps stacking up even tho I defeat her? Seems like a bug.
I've completed two playthroughs and I got a level of Daji debuff after each of them.

If you're doing the dream scenes, you get debuffs from those too.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

If you're doing the dream scenes, you get debuffs from those too.

I'm not doing any dream scenes. Debuff just appears after I start a new playthrough after finishing previous one. I never recruited Daji, so that might be somehow related.
Tho, after getting milked dry by Lucy, in the scene where she punishes you after recruiting Haru and Liz, Daji's debuffs just dissapeared.


Also, I've been going around and trying out confession scenes out of curiosity, with reloading the save after each confession, when suddenly the Cat warned me about marrying several demons. Will this result in something bad?

 

[Bop107]

Just got the true mercy ending, and it was a pretty good experience overall. Was actually gonna start genocide too, but after seeing the hypocrite ending (aka what you get after doing a mercy run), ain’t sure if I’m willing to do that. Didn’t make me cry or anything, but just from skipping around in a gameplay video, that shit might actually be more fucked up then the geno ending of undetale.

Edit: I also wanted to mention that I think the only thing that’s really stopping Genocide from being the better choice is due to what it means in the story itself (story spoilers) aka the M.O.W leader who wants to use the messiah project to destroy the world; not lead it. So I can’t really say that genocide is the better option or more understandable when we take into consideration that it will literally end the world.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Edit: I also wanted to mention that I think the only thing that’s really stopping Genocide from being the better choice is due to what it means in the story itself (story spoilers) aka the M.O.W leader who wants to use the messiah project to destroy the world; not lead it. So I can’t really say that genocide is the better option or more understandable when we take into consideration that it will literally end the world.

At least that way people will escape the fate of becoming cattle for demons.