Ah, both .2 and .3 short descriptions in patreon/changelogs invokde the hailey name so i was confused.
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Jungles70
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Well, I guess we know who the main focus female LI of the game and will get the most content is: Hailey 
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Nah, i don't think so. I believe that's just the thing for v0.3, i don't think there's even a main focus at all, maybe Linda.Well, I guess we know who the main focus female LI of the game and will get the most content is: Hailey
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Arguably not optional because there's a scene of one of the (I'm assuming potential) love interests getting eaten out that happens (again I'm assuming) whether you view it or not, before the NTR toggle.
I don't mind NTR, but I will bet a large amount of hard currency that someone won't be happy about that.
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Just a weird introduction before you choose to turn NTR on or off, but technically ntr is there if you consider hailey is a possible love interest instead of a random hoe.
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You don't need to consider it, she actually is. Just look at the relationship stats, she is at the bottom of it. With this, many people won't bother, because there is basically already unavoidable NTR. Major screw up for now. Maybe dev will change it, maybe not. For now, I don't have much confidence and will wait the next few updates at the side line before getting back to it.
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Yeah, just hit that bar scene literally a few hours after the gym BJ. She knows the MC is working there (it’s where they literally met), yet she rolls in with some random dude, does the blatant “oops, need the bathroom” playbook, guy follows her, and you get the choice to… keep working or follow. Doesn’t matter if anything actually happens in there or not(something definetively happened, that's blatantly obvious). The staging is typical cliche NTR-beat/swinger set-up. At that point the entire “NTR is optional and avoidable” promise is already dead in the water for a huge part of the player base, toggle or no toggle (and the toggle literally unlocks right after this, at that, just before the v0.3 ends.). For a lot of us, she’s now dead as an LI the second that scene triggers. This could by pure technicality, be the swinger set-up, but, that too, just sits wrong. That's not a "no discussion, just do" kinda thing. Even in games, outside of the ones specifically blatantly aimed at it, where swinging is the core premise of it all.
Parking the game for a few updates and hoping the dev walks it back. If not; I tried it, got rug-pulled anyway, moving on. Too many games in this genre mix do the exact same thing and it’s just exhausting at this point. This is why I never trust harem tagged games with "optional" NTR and/or swinging content. Somehow, it's exceptionally rarely optional, despite what promises the devs toss out.
yes, it DOES matter if you follow. If you follow you're proactively peeping on them and want to see that scene. If you dont, you're just going about your day like a normal person.
Sick and tired of the most socially maladjusted hijacking these narratives. By your definition any game that resembles the real world is chock-full of ntr. Well that's a avn sphere i dont want to live in, where people are so terrified they need to be coddled by endless worlds with 100% male eunuchs. It's one thing if you don't like fetishized ntr scenes like 'bully steals the girl and fucks her in front of him', totally legit, I get it. But this is really reaching, and you see it on a daily basis.
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When a plotdevice like that is used, it's kinda obvious where that character's story goes, is it not? And do not pretend this is not an archetypical cliche when it comes to the setup. Even if nothing were to happen if we just work, the setup is there in the most obvious way, thus making her an instant nope for people lacking those proclivities.
Now, where did you pull that out of? And how does what I wrote make me, and anyone else sharing similar opinions on it, "socially maladjusted"? Please elaborate in vivid detail. I'd like to see you try to psychoanalyze me to a T. Go ahead. I'll enjoy reading even more projection. For all you know, all I do is shitpost, with a sprinkle of actual posts here and there. Or a mix of both in the same. If anything, your response shows you to be the one suffering that particular challenge.
And how is it reaching? Go on, explain. Without strawman arguments.
I do not get why people like you feel the need to "hijack a thread", as you put it, to grandstand over percieved slights in other peoples opinions. All I stated was an opinion regarding my entertainment and escapism as far as AVNs goes, which is, and will always be, subjective. What is the point of escapism, if not playing with fantasies? There's no right or wrong in it. It just is.
Oh btw!: How the fuck do YOU know if it matters or not, that we follow or not, for anyone, besides you? Are you me? Or anyone else that was put off from her route because of the obvious? Or just put off from the game in general, after getting to that point? Are you the scriptwriter for this? Or the Dev? No? Fuck off then. Spend your time somewhere else. Forums are clearly not good for you, if my post, and the one I responded to, is all it takes to set you off like this. You clearly have some issues.
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Simple. The kind of scenes you're taking issue with her are commonplace in many people's lives. They are not commonplace in those with little social experience.
Except these aren't just harmless opinions when they're done in volume. Look, I'm all for open discussion and people expressing themselves and being critical or positive on games, but one would have to have their head in the sand to ignore how often one sees this kind of passive aggressive advocacy on the forums, particularly on slights deemed 'ntr'.
It's 100% totally fine for anyone to say "This is what I liked about this game. This is what I dont like about this game. This is what I wish was in the game, this is what I wish wasnt in the game"
But that's not what's going on here. Try and be objective, take yourself out of combat mode from my admittedly venomous and uneccesary reply earlier. When camerofan above says "Major screw up for now", that's not framing something as a personal preference. It's the exact same as ive seen thousands of times, the garden variety sensitive harem player pretending to speak for the majority in a passive aggressive tone. I'm just tired of it, and you see it hundreds of times a week. Again, by all means, people should say "I like this" or "I dont like this". But not passive aggressive crap like "devs gonna make a lotta players unhappy".
Sidenote, admittedly I'm biased, because to me hailey is probably the least interesting and least attractive cast member, and I'd probably feel differently if that scene was with Linda.
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You are not going to convince people who don't like NTR.
If there's a potential love interest and she has any kind of intimate interaction with another person, they won't be happy. It doesn't matter if it's a married couple that you're stealing one of, it doesn't matter if it's the protagonist's own parent having an interaction with the other parent.
As long as the potential exists for that character to be a love interest, if people don't like NTR, there can be zero intimate interaction with other characters or they're not happy.
In the case of the game it's literally absurd, since I don't think your character has shown any interest in her so why should it matter? But it will to some.
Please note - I'm not judging people for not liking NTR, I just think some of your arguments are crazy sometimes.
*edit* - typo.
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Color me surprised, a response without hyper-combative venom. Still, I want my actual answers. You got so up in arms over my opinion and went off. Now I want my answers. Actual measured answers. Not halfsies, or whatever not-even quarter measure this is. But that's just derailing the thread even more, so please dont. It's just unnecesessesary and tedious for both of us. Though I will respond to the last reply. Spoilered to keep the post relatively compact.
Edit to clarify the above marked with a * a bit: In regards to unmarried/single LIs that is, as netori targets/LIs, by definition, are, well.... married or in a relationship.
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Yep. This. It's called personal preferences for a reason. Highly subjective thing. And as I said, no right or wrong in it. It just is. Subjectively there is though, but, that's also highly subjective. And so goes the loop.
I'm not all that set on it. As I said above in my spoilered relply, I do love me some Netori. IIRC, there was no mention of Hailey having a hubby or partner though. That was the other chick she was with when we met her, IIRC, Carol. The librarian. Which I sure as hell am going after if I do return to the game(which I might, anyhow, not sure yet).
No, not quite. I love if it's FF interactions, as I do love me some lesbian intra-harem action, or even outside sources, as long as it's not just a bunch of randos. For those not absolutely manic(and the manic ones, which I admit, are the real "loud" ones, which I even disagree with quite frequently, I just do not engage with most of them like that.), having it show up like that is the very little, to no tolerance thing, thus just making her both a non-issue, and an issue, either way, as she's considered anything but an LI*, at best, and just a plot device and non-essential side char. Eh, I probably bungled the explanation some, but I think it gets the point/meaning across. I just don't like watching other dudes getting it on with LIs, or potential LIs. It can happen, but I find showing it off like was done to be unnecesessesary with the particular mix of genres this game has. There are better ways to get into those parts of the game.
Edit to clarify the above marked with a * a bit: In regards to unmarried/single LIs that is, as netori targets/LIs, by definition, are, well.... married or in a relationship.
I'd like to think going after Hailey is the same as showing interest, no? And the MC's reaction when she comes to the bar,
also tells us this to some level. And interpeting that is so subjective, that there's no right or wrong in which conclusion someone might come to. He spent an awful long time thinking about it after all(relatively, not for us, but in terms of most the work day after that, for him). Not that I remember shit of the dialogue now though, and I had to go back and check. It's been a couple of 12h days of work since after all. And I agree with your response to varying degrees for the most part. Some things just are what they are. Nothing we can do about that.
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I probably wasn't clear but I wasn't talking about specifically you or any individual for that matter, just the subset of people who are forever adamant about what they're willing to accept in a game and vitriolic about people who enjoy things they do not.
I'm absolutely certain there are people who exist in the entire spectrum between 'loves NTR' and 'hates NTR' such as yourself with your take on lesbian NTR and me with varying degrees of enjoyment. I also prefer that they're kept separate for the most part. I don't think games that combine NTR and non-NTR generally do a good job of it (there are exceptions imo, such as ASWS).
Anyway, this obviously got offtopic and I'll leave it there.