VN Ren'Py SnowStorm [v0.8 BB] [GleenX Studio]

[Crimsonfiend76]

As someone who just played this and Sandstorm right before the new update came out, I'm curious, what all changed in the rework?

The rework came out several updates back. Basically, we used to be able to have access to all the LIs from whatever clan we chose, plus any 2 LI of the other 2 clans we didn't join as long as they weren't the main LI from that clan. After the rework, essentially we are shoehorned 2 girls from outside our chosen clan to act as side LIs. All choice has been taken away, which normally I'd be fine with if it wasn't for the fact that seemingly all our LIs outside the BB's are solo LIs.

Just my luck, the only clan that gives us any semblance of a harem is the one with the least desired 'LIs'... and I use that term broadly, as none of the girls willing to be part of the BB harem come off as true LIs.

 

[Crimsonfiend76]

Had the same problems doing a solo Astrja run. So I removed gallery mod (to make sure that wasn't problem), went back to start and did a speed run. Had to check, cause there has been nothing sexual forced at all and suddenly there is. It didn't make sense.

The Lizgard scene appears to be coding/linking error. After leaving Astrid it should jump to scene (chap5ww4n) instead it's jumping to (chap5ww5). The good news is it doesn't to appear to effect your path (apart from giving Liz a point). The story continues like it didn't happen (so far).

The Astrid one is a bit weirder. But I still suspect it's coding. There should have been a different scene if you didn't get the HJ from Astrid. But I can't find a scene that should be playing instead. Maybe it was accidently left out. Maybe someone with better skills than me (I'm purely an amateur with no coding skills at all) can find it. But, it also appears that after that scene, the path goes back to didn't happen (again, so far).

There was a lot of stuff that worked if you were doing a manwhore run, but on solo paths it was just way off.

My only issue with a manwhore WW run is we are given some hints that despite a sibling rivalry for the affections of the MC, there seems to be options where we can try for both sisters and even somewhat encouraged by a certain sympathetic character. Additionally, there was no real reason for the side LI's paths to suddenly effectively end after this last update. It's not like there was an ultimatum issued by either sister to choose or lose them.

 

[MiltonPowers]

My only issue with a manwhore WW run is we are given some hints that despite a sibling rivalry for the affections of the MC, there seems to be options where we can try for both sisters and even somewhat encouraged by a certain sympathetic character. Additionally, there was no real reason for the side LI's paths to suddenly effectively end after this last update. It's not like there was an ultimatum issued by either sister to choose or lose them.

I do a manwhore run just to check out content. But since I wasn't really interested in most of the BB's decided to do solo paths mainly. It didn't really affect me, but you're right, the sisters weren't pushing MC to choose. MC decided on his own. But what was weird, that if you choose Astrja, you immediately go to Gertrud's and talk about Astrid, agree with it and how she's been in love for ages (when on a Astrja path, she hasn't been). Perhaps another bad linking or bad dialogue? This latest update seemed to have a lot of these problems, that haven't been present before.

Perhaps a certain sympathetic character was thrown in prison for encouraging MC/Astrid, not for the other reason.

 

[Crimsonfiend76]

Yeah that last scene ended on a bit of a cliffhanger and not who I assumed would be responsible for what went down with Torsten. I always thought Candrid was hot... hot and crazy sus... and after playing the WW, she ruined any interest I had in playing the BB path. The only reason I even entertained going BB was for Yrsa, but it becomes apparent that's a solo path only... not sure about Sonja tho.

On the WW path, despite being really good friends with Astrja, or maybe because she is really good friends with her, she doesn't want to get in between the MC and Astrja and will end things before they can begin. My question is, whether we are supposed to NOT get any points with any of the WW LIs if we are aiming for a Sonja romance on the WW path? She enters the story as a possible LI pretty late, not sure if it was even possible to entertain the idea of a throuple.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Yeah that last scene ended on a bit of a cliffhanger and not who I assumed would be responsible for what went down with Torsten. I always thought Candrid was hot... hot and crazy sus... and after playing the WW, she ruined any interest I had in playing the BB path. The only reason I even entertained going BB was for Yrsa, but it becomes apparent that's a solo path only... not sure about Sonja tho.

On the WW path, despite being really good friends with Astrja, or maybe because she is really good friends with her, she doesn't want to get in between the MC and Astrja and will end things before they can begin. My question is, whether we are supposed to NOT get any points with any of the WW LIs if we are aiming for a Sonja romance on the WW path? She enters the story as a possible LI pretty late, not sure if it was even possible to entertain the idea of a throuple.

On Astrja path I had Astrja maxed out, Astrid on 0, Mathilda probably around 4. And Sonja was 1. I still did all the 'Date' stuff and flirting and telling her how hot she was, so there might be a chance. It seemed a bit over the top for just integrating her into WW. If there is a chance for throuple, IMO, it will be Astrja & Sonja they both have a lot of respect and admiration for each other.

 

[Crimsonfiend76]

On Astrja path I had Astrja maxed out, Astrid on 0, Mathilda probably around 4. And Sonja was 1. I still did all the 'Date' stuff and flirting and telling her how hot she was, so there might be a chance. It seemed a bit over the top for just integrating her into WW. If there is a chance for throuple, IMO, it will be Astrja & Sonja they both have a lot of respect and admiration for each other.

I hope so, I have my fingers crossed we might come to an arrangement where Astrja feels bad for her friend losing first her husband... then her clan, and decides she's ok with sharing the MC with her.

 

[FunFuntomes]

I hope so, I have my fingers crossed we might come to an arrangement where Astrja feels bad for her friend losing first her husband... then her clan, and decides she's ok with sharing the MC with her.

I think Astrja might be fine with sharing MC as long as she's the official wife.

 

[Crimsonfiend76]

I can see Astrja being the good friend and sympathetic person she is... would be ok with that. As the next leader of the clan, it would make sense for Astrja to marry the MC and be the official/main wife. Depending on whether they allow polygamy, Sonja could be wife #2, or just the MC's lover/unofficial wife.

Unfortunately, after this update if we don't tell Sonja we love her and not Astrja, Sonja is the one already wanting to end things before even talking to Astrja first. Technically we could just lie and say we don't love Astrja and tell Sonja what she wants to hear, but I don't think that's a good way to try and start a throuple relationship.

 

[Crazonian1]

Well, on the plus side, the story is pretty good, and the visuals are captivating as always. That said, the lewd scenes were underwhelming, as per usual imo, which is especially tragic cause you get lewdness with Liz, Mathilda, Astrid and Astrja, basically the four best girls in the game (once again imo). Those scenes were bitterly disappointing, zero faps out of 10. Dev needs to work on his animations i feel.

I did quite enjoy the Taming of the Shrew aspect of Mathilda's scene, though it pissed me off when Candrid shows up, cockblocking round two. And all to just act like the proverbial serpent in the garden of eden, trying to entice Adam and Eve to bite the apple. Who is she trying to fool with her blatant patronizing and empty platitudes. Like, i know, storywise, Mathilda is probably going to join the Candrid faction, as one character in each Clan, (including Candrid herself) seems to be doing so, I just wish it was handled better. My MC, in the Mathilda playthru, was actually a pretty nice guy all things considering, right up until that important choice, and suddenly he's dark side. I don't know, i didn't care for it. I'll probably continue with it to see what happens, but my canon playthru now is leaving BB with Yrsa. I still hope i take my thrall Helga with me, but i guess we shall see.

 

[Krytax123]

I played Sandstorm a long time ago and well ... my expectations for this one were pretty low.

The beginning was a bit slow until the mc got a grasp of the language but afterwards i really enjoyed it and think its a great avn and has a intriguing story.

I really like all the LI's but Katja and Sonja (still like her but not as a LI), they are all unique from each other and even the sidegirls are fun.

My favorite path is probably Astrid or a Astrid/Astrja "throuple" if possible.

I think its awesome that were able to play as part of both conflicting factions and can get both perspectives (more or less) which is very unusal.

I did read a bit in this thread and saw Candrid getting a lot of hate while i like her considering the circumstances. Were talking about a culture where taking slaves and completly humiliating and murdering them is normal.

You have to be deceptive if you want to reach/change something esp as a women (if youre not a half-god like Astrja) and i respect her deception skills and ambition, she reminds me a liiiiiitttle bit of Gracie of the Deluca Family. And when you play her path i believe her that she is all in with the mc when she gave him her virginity.

And about her conflict with Sonja, she was kinda right, Sonja had literally no backup from the bb's. And if there is a way to turn our MC into a famous Viking Warlod, its the Candrid path, i think its hilarious how she hypes him up Draug Slayer!!!


About the Story, just to make sure i got it right:

So it was the father of Astrja and Astrid who plotted to kill Ragnar but i still dont really get why he did that? Ragnar was a valuable Warrior on his side and to think the next bb leader would be better for the white wolves is kinda far fetched isnt it?

He tried to play the mastermind and involved Candrid as a assasin who saw a opportunity and got rid of both of them at the same time and make her move.

At some point she made a alliance with Katja and Mathilda to overthrow the current leadership. And can you really blame them? Ragnar and the white wolfs leader sucked and got played like fools while Nox is a religious nutjob (from their pov) its fair to try to rebell in a viking culture. So imo even the "evil" side has reasonable intentions/goals as of now which i really like.

But how were they able to make the Draugs attack? This is a part i didnt really got tbh.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

So it was the father of Astrja and Astrid who plotted to kill Ragnar but i still dont really get why he did that? Ragnar was a valuable Warrior on his side and to think the next bb leader would be better for the white wolves is kinda far fetched isnt it?

He tried to play the mastermind and involved Candrid as a assasin who saw a opportunity and got rid of both of them at the same time and make her move.

At some point she made a alliance with Katja and Mathilda to overthrow the current leadership. And can you really blame them? Ragnar and the white wolfs leader sucked and got played like fools while Nox is a religious nutjob (from their pov) its fair to try to rebell in a viking culture. So imo even the "evil" side has reasonable intentions/goals as of now which i really like.

But how were they able to make the Draugs attack? This is a part i didnt really got tbh.

He killed Ragnar because he was the leader of bb clan. He knew Sonja was capable of leading the bb clan to a war but not capable to lead them. So he assassinated Ragnar and framed a trade competitor of his. Two birds with one stone. After Ragnar, he could influence bb clan even make them to join his clan in long term by influencing new leader. That's why he heavily invested in warriors and send Astrja to show he got revenge of Ragnar, therefore respect of bb clan. Also by eliminating trade competitor he was going to be rich enough to unite all the clans and move towards bigger goals. Ragnar was good warrior but poor leader, he was an unruly oaf who cannot be controlled or tamed, so getting rid of him was crucial.

Candrid's chalice scene was important at this front. It was funny but gave an important information. Everyone was seeing Candrid as greedy, yet stupid one. So, I think Torstein saw her perfect candidate. She had no loyalty to Ragnar, stupid enough to betray him and greedy enough to be sway by wealth which he had plenty. But Candrid was none of them and played him.

Candrid is playing the long game. If you think about it Torstein, Nox and Candrid have the same goal uniting all the clans under their leadership. She knew it was near impossible to overthrow Nox so she took her people. Brought outcast to her side. Now, if she can make Mathilda the new leader of the ww clan, she practically manage to unite all the clans.

Probably Draugs can be controlled by magic. If I had to guess, Candrid figured it out how. Also, another guess of mine, like the Sandstorm evil gods are helping her. After the last update, maybe Astrja's step-father helping her.

 

[SlowGoesSlow]

Candrid's chalice scene was important at this front. It was funny but gave an important information. Everyone was seeing Candrid as greedy, yet stupid one. So, I think Torstein saw her perfect candidate. She had no loyalty to Ragnar, stupid enough to betray him and greedy enough to be sway by wealth which he had plenty. But Candrid was none of them and played him.

It also showed how durable her asshole is. Sonja yoinked that shit out with zero blood. Candrid is built different.

 

[camube]

He killed Ragnar because he was the leader of bb clan. He knew Sonja was capable of leading the bb clan to a war but not capable to lead them. So he assassinated Ragnar and framed a trade competitor of his. Two birds with one stone. After Ragnar, he could influence bb clan even make them to join his clan in long term by influencing new leader. That's why he heavily invested in warriors and send Astrja to show he got revenge of Ragnar, therefore respect of bb clan. Also by eliminating trade competitor he was going to be rich enough to unite all the clans and move towards bigger goals. Ragnar was good warrior but poor leader, he was an unruly oaf who cannot be controlled or tamed, so getting rid of him was crucial.

Candrid's chalice scene was important at this front. It was funny but gave an important information. Everyone was seeing Candrid as greedy, yet stupid one. So, I think Torstein saw her perfect candidate. She had no loyalty to Ragnar, stupid enough to betray him and greedy enough to be sway by wealth which he had plenty. But Candrid was none of them and played him.

Candrid is playing the long game. If you think about it Torstein, Nox and Candrid have the same goalm uniting all the clans under their leadership. She knew it was near impossible to overthrow Nox so she took her people. Brought outcast to her side. Now, if she can make Mathilda the new leader of the ww clan, she practically manage to unite all the clans.

Probably Draugs are can be controlled by magic. If I had to guess, Candrid figured it out how. Also, another guess of mine, like the Sandstorm evil gods are helping her. After the last update, maybe Astrja's step-father helping her.

yeah Snowstorm has a great outline but the elaboration of those story beats left a lot to be desired. I think the focus to target 2025 to launch their third game Duststorm may have contributed to this rush to finish line.

I wouldn't mind playing Snowstorm until at least 2025 or even 2026, i don't mind if the dev milk Snowstorm story quite some more instead of sprinting to finish line like this.

I really like the character designs in Snowstorm, definitely in my top 10

 

[Krytax123]

He killed Ragnar because he was the leader of bb clan. He knew Sonja was capable of leading the bb clan to a war but not capable to lead them. So he assassinated Ragnar and framed a trade competitor of his. Two birds with one stone. After Ragnar, he could influence bb clan even make them to join his clan in long term by influencing new leader. That's why he heavily invested in warriors and send Astrja to show he got revenge of Ragnar, therefore respect of bb clan. Also by eliminating trade competitor he was going to be rich enough to unite all the clans and move towards bigger goals. Ragnar was good warrior but poor leader, he was an unruly oaf who cannot be controlled or tamed, so getting rid of him was crucial.

Candrid's chalice scene was important at this front. It was funny but gave an important information. Everyone was seeing Candrid as greedy, yet stupid one. So, I think Torstein saw her perfect candidate. She had no loyalty to Ragnar, stupid enough to betray him and greedy enough to be sway by wealth which he had plenty. But Candrid was none of them and played him.

Candrid is playing the long game. If you think about it Torstein, Nox and Candrid have the same goal uniting all the clans under their leadership. She knew it was near impossible to overthrow Nox so she took her people. Brought outcast to her side. Now, if she can make Mathilda the new leader of the ww clan, she practically manage to unite all the clans.

Probably Draugs can be controlled by magic. If I had to guess, Candrid figured it out how. Also, another guess of mine, like the Sandstorm evil gods are helping her. After the last update, maybe Astrja's step-father helping her.

Yeah but killing Ragnar doesnt really did anything for Thorstein when we consider the next people in command at the bb's (not counting Sonja) who are just worse versions of Ragnar and probably even less valid to reason with. Ragnar's second in command was the worst guy in the whole avn imo.

Thats kinda the only part i dont really get, Ragnar was (or could have been) a valuable puppet for Thorsten and he has to had known about the bb tournament and their leadership decisions.

And really literally all the bb guys are just worse versions of ragnar worse fighters and more brutal/barbaric and probably less standing in the viking world

Hmm but yeah maybe he intended to manipulate the tournament in the same way Castrid did but its hard to imagine for an not bb member to accomplish that. I see your point with the framing of the trade competitor but ... Ragnar didnt seem to be the kind of guy who would have been against this raid anyway, would he? He seemed always very up for raiding everyone.

Candrid deception skills amazed me thats a big part of why i "like her" or more like think shes a very interresting character. Even the way she looked all the time was a carefully crafted disguise after we saw her in the end. And playing the dumb bimbo slut while in fact being a cunning virgin

Even while dying due to the poison Thorsten thought it was Nox who poisoned him, unable to comprehend how much Candrid played him.

Astrja's step-father? Did i somehow missed content? I dont think i encountered him, only her mom

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

yeah Snowstorm has a great outline but the elaboration of those story beats left a lot to be desired. I think the focus to target 2025 to launch their third game Duststorm may have contributed to this rush to finish line.

I wouldn't mind playing Snowstorm until at least 2025 or even 2026, i don't mind if the dev milk Snowstorm story quite some more instead of sprinting to finish line like this.

I really like the character designs in Snowstorm, definitely in my top 10

I was hoping much more elaborated story but we'll see what dev gonna do. Like you said Snowstorm has such a good story I wanna see much more of it. Though, branching must be terrible for the dev. All 3 clans, 9 LIs. Also should consider Sandstorm LI, though not much influence to the story yet. I am guessing we'll only see Rion at the end. So it's a very hard think to handle.

Astrja's step-father? Did i somehow missed content? I dont think i encountered him, only her mom

It was a joke about the god Njord. Astrja's mother Skadi's wife.

Yeah but killing Ragnar doesnt really did anything for Thorstein when we consider the next people in command at the bb's (not counting Sonja) who are just worse versions of Ragnar and probably even less valid to reason with. Ragnar's second in command was the worst guy in the whole avn imo.

We don't know what he was planning after Ragnar but we have seen how easy for Candrid to trick them to choose someone Candrid approve. He may have a better candidate or another plan for them. Ragnar's death was his first move in his scheme.

Hmm but yeah maybe he intended to manipulate the tournament in the same way Castrid did but its hard to imagine for an not bb member to accomplish that. I see your point with the framing of the trade competitor but ... Ragnar didnt seem to be the kind of guy who would have been against this raid anyway, would he? He seemed always very up for raiding everyone.

Ragnar would not need much conviction true but what would be their casus belli? If he was seen as a guy who kills his competitors he would lose trust and maybe even more. It should be big, so they can do the raid. Ragnar was not a puppet, he was all about bb pride. Torstein may outsmart him, trick him but he could not be under his influence entirely.

I am more interested about his plans second half. We don't know nothing about it but he was planning to eliminate Nox too. Maybe he was planning to use Katja too, though outcasts refine taste in ww members make this harder.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

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[Krytax123]

It was a joke about the god Njord. Astrja's mother Skadi's wife.

Yeah looks like im slow today, could have inferred that. And could actually be true, we saw Candrid starring at the ocean a lot in the beginning of the story.

We don't know what he was planning after Ragnar but we have seen how easy for Candrid to trick them to choose someone Candrid approve. He may have a better candidate or another plan for them. Ragnar's death was his first move in his scheme.

I mean yes but it was only easy for candrid because she was a) fooling and manipulating everyone the whole time and b) part of the clan herself. But yeah it could be possible that Thorsten prepared Ivar for example i guess? I just kinda think that Ragnar was the perfect puppet already for Thorsten's goal (yet not for candrid's) which still kinda confuses me.

Ragnar would not need much conviction true but what would be their casus belli? If he was seen as a guy who kills his competitors he would lose trust and maybe even more. It should be big, so they can do the raid. Ragnar was not a puppet, he was all about bb pride. Torstein may outsmart him, trick him but he could not be under his influence entirely.

I mean they only found a not-fitting compared to the wounds weapon of the other clan and immediatly completly destroyed them, i doubt this is a valid casus belli for whoever judges this (the king?). And arent they raiding other vikings all the time without a casus belli?

It seemed more to be used to enrage the other members of the bb clan i just dont really get the logic as they are the ones always happy to raid anyway but whatever.

I am more interested about his plans second half. We don't know nothing about it but he was planning to eliminate Nox too. Maybe he was planning to use Katja too, though outcasts refine taste in ww members make this harder.

Yeah him allying with the outcasts seems to be out of the picture, he is a shitty guy but his love for his daugthers is real im pretty sure, at least for Astrja.

His goal was obviously to unite the clans and Astrja becoming their future leader, just his steps to achieve this are at some points somwhat strange, but maybe he was just a wannabe mastermind making bad decisions.

 

[WarriorSteel]

I mean yes but it was only easy for candrid because she was a) fooling and manipulating everyone the whole time and b) part of the clan herself. But yeah it could be possible that Thorsten prepared Ivar for example i guess? I just kinda think that Ragnar was the perfect puppet already for Thorsten's goal (yet not for candrid's) which still kinda confuses me.

He wanted Sonja to take over, not Candrid

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

And could actually be true, we saw Candrid starring at the ocean a lot in the beginning of the story.

Never thought about that way, maybe yeah.

I mean they only found a not-fitting compared to the wounds weapon of the other clan and immediatly completly destroyed them, i doubt this is a valid casus belli for whoever judges this (the king?). And arent they raiding other vikings all the time without a casus belli?

It seemed more to be used to enrage the other members of the bb clan i just dont really get the logic as they are the ones always happy to raid anyway but whatever.

They mentioned very early in the game, they were left alone by others as long as they don't cross the line. So instead of official casus belli, when they asked about why did they attack. They can say they killed one of the clan leader and show the weapons if need be. Since Candrid slaughtered entire opposing side, they have nothing to disprove. In this way, target being Ragnar makes even more sense. If target was low level, not a clan leader then it would not have any weight.

I mean yes but it was only easy for candrid because she was a) fooling and manipulating everyone the whole time and b) part of the clan herself. But yeah it could be possible that Thorsten prepared Ivar for example i guess? I just kinda think that Ragnar was the perfect puppet already for Thorsten's goal (yet not for candrid's) which still kinda confuses me.

Could be Ivar, yes. We still don't know how he got the weapons and other stuff.It's easy to assume related to Candrid but as we know Torstein gave weapons and stuff to raiders. Since Ivar was not a warrior makes no sense he gave to him unless he has some ulterior motive. Though, like I said it may not be even about choosing a puppet leader. He may wanted to integrate entire clan to his by using his wealth. Remember how surprised Sonja when she saw MC's mere inn room. Iirc, not all the bb members were happy about living in such shitty conditions. He may very well, gave a speech about how he was able to take revenge of Ragnar. Ragnar's real cause of death was not the enemy but the division between clans. He is happy to share ww wealth etc. Remember Torstein's real ability is convincing people. With that speech, he can touch to Dark Ravens too. Make Nox the evil one who withheld the wealth from Dark Ravens while she is staying in a tower. Promise of more wealth through trade, promise of more power through fights under his leadership. These stuff could have easily sway everyone under his banner.

Yeah him allying with the outcasts seems to be out of the picture, he is a shitty guy but his love for his daugthers is real im pretty sure, at least for Astrja.

His goal was obviously to unite the clans and Astrja becoming their future leader, just his steps to achieve this are at some points somwhat strange, but maybe he was just a wannabe mastermind making bad decisions.

Tbh, I think Mathilda gonna be the new leader by Candrid's schemes regardless of MC's choices. Astrja, Astrid and others who loyal to them, along with MC in some paths, withdraw somewhere else. Maybe to Nox's new village, or the abandoned village, or Astrja's mother's place(unlikely) or somewhere else but Mathilda will be the next leader. Whole town under Candrid's rule supported by evil, Astrja and others supported by good fight as a final stand. At the end, whoever MC supports gonna win. If MC stays with Candrid, no chance to meet with Rion. If MC fights against Candrid, after the fight they offer MC to stay or send him back to Rion. Both Katja and Mathilda paths merging into Candrid path kinda indicates this. Probably Katja and Mathilda will have to share MC with Candrid, but for them having their own endings they will probably have a chance to betray Candrid with a twist.