I guess that's probably true, though I also doubt they had the same view of sex that the Christians had, the vikings where probably still more liberated in that regard, so I wouldn't be surprised if their views of sex were more in line with modern times then the rest of Europe of that time.
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Never said you wanted both? Sounded like you wanted to try to salvage a relationship with her after starting the harem and breaking her trust, no?
Did you actually read any of the dialog between Yrsa and MC in their interactions? Because it seemed obvious to me anyways exactly where Yrsa felt the relationship was going, and MC encourages that concept implicitly throughout their contacts. He initiates pretty much every level of intimacy (up until she jumps him in the haunted ruins) and she's made it quite clear exactly what she's looking for. Why would she ever believe he doesn't feel the same as her and/or accepts her conditions when she spells out what she's looking for and he responds by advancing the relationship?
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Playing BloddyBears week 3 quests: Sonja: Got "intelligence + 1" BUT on the table INT REMAINS at 11 as at the end of "outcasts".
No, that's just you assuming. What I want is to be able to let yrsa down gently. Obviously I don't know what the devs have planned for this, but I don't want to have to choose between apologising and trying to repair the relationship or just cutting her off completely. Ideally, I want the MC to explain that they never talked about being in an exclusive relationship and if she isn't interested in the harem plan that he'd like to remain friends. Becouse I like yrsa and I'd like for the MC to keep helping her, even if a relationship is of the table.
You ask me if I've read the dialogue, but I'd like to ask you the same thing. Let's go over the events, we'll ignore the first meetings and the ritual becouse they're not very significant.
So the first event is the stone thing, which starts of with being able to compliment her, but she actually prefers if you don't and ends with a friendly conversation and a classic hand on boob accident, nothing that directly points to either of them being interested in a relationship with the other.
The second event is meeting her daughter, obviously you're growing closer, but nothing happens here that wouldn't happen the same with a normal friend. Then you meet nox with her, you get some options to compliment her or peek at her in the bath, let's say you didn't compliment her, but you did peek at her, like any young man would. Then the MC did the only thing so far that might indicate a desire for a relationship, which is kiss her cheek. Certainly proof that he's interested, but not a declaration of undying love either.
Then they go hunting for that cave, nothing interesting happens here.
Then the ruins, the MC compliments her once and you can ask about the poem for various reasons, let's say we choose viking cultural interest. Draugr happens, leading into, as mentioned before, a steamy, adrenaline induced kiss, initiated by yrsa, not the MC.
Next thing comes after being captured, yrsa visits the MC, tells him she's falling in love with him and the MC doesn't answer.
Then he leaves for the raid, meets yrsa, she tells him she's starting to like him (which seems weird considering she said earlier she's falling in love, but that's neither here not there) and then she catches him in the act and runs away.
Now, what I see in all this is two people slowly growing closer, doing some light flirting, sharing an yrsa initiated kiss after almost dying and yrsa having clear feelings for the MC that he never confirmed to share. In all this, the MC has never been more than a good friend who has an appreciation and some interest for a beautifull woman. Nothing here, indicates to me an exclusive relationship, if that's what yrsa wants, then she should have locked the MC down instead of just assuming he wouldn't want anyone else but her, which is just stupid. She's obviously free to not want the MC anymore after realising that he isn't pursuing her exclusively, but crying, running away and discarding any and all affinity between them is a gross over reaction, becouse he's been nothing but a good friend to her and hasn't been leading her on by pretending she's the only one for him.
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You conveniently leave out both examples I gave of her directly stated views on relationships. I get they didn't support your angle, so well done?
You're welcome to interpret however you like, but I think it's quite clear, and totally unsurprising, that if you literally get caught with your pants down you're not going to get any sort of "let her down easy" because you've already crushed her hopes and feelings, as was totally predictable by your interactions with her previous. (And, by the way, that's EXACTLY what Candrice wanted.)
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The same is true with Dex for WW. Both these clans can't rise their weak stat more than 11.
Lol? You gave no examples? You just stated your views on their interactions, no examples of such interactions where given. Except the haunted ruins kiss, which I did cover.
And the very problem is that yrsa considers her "hopes and feelings crushed" when there clearly wasn't any real relationship between them. They where skirting around a relationship and slowly getting to one, but they weren't actually in one yet. And the fact that yrsa thought their non-relationship would stop him from going after other woman is her own fault. I'll say again, if an exclusive relationship is what she wanted, she should have actually locked the MC down, instead of just throwing her feelings in his face and assuming that means he won't go after anyone else, just becouse he is somewhat receptive.
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As I said, interpret however you like. As am I. IMO it was quite clear how Yrsa felt all through her storyline, so if you aren't interested in a relationship with her, so be it. But it also seems IMO quite clear that she isn't going to accept "well we never said we'd be exclusive, so let's just be friends" so I wouldn't hold much hope for salvaging a relationship if you got caught with your pants down when she at least felt there was more of a relationship there than you obviously wanted there to be.
I'm more inclined to think Candrice doesn't really give a damn about anything except what she wants at that moment, but if someone denies her whatever that is, she's happy to see the whole world burn in exchange.
I agree. And I think Sonja will eventually deny Candrid of something. Which will lead to conflict between them.
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To add this, Yrsa was quite clear what she wanted and MC accepted when he said you have me. Not exclusive defense won't hold much in that regards too. So at that point, either Yulla or Yrsa, you cannot have both. Also it was already clear Yrsa was thinking they have exclusive relationship when she heard slave girl thing. She got overly jealous when she heard girl was staying with you and she basically came to MC's tent for defining her own territory.
Lol? I don't know if things are different if you pursue yrsa on the raven path or maybe you made different choices, but my MC never said she "has me".
And being overly jealous and trying to claim your territory on a man, does not mean you're automatically in a relationship, if that where the case, the yandere's of this world would be overjoyed. Again, it doesn't matter what yrsa was thinking or feeling if she doesn't actually utter the words
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Obviously her feelings where clear, I never denied that, but she assumed the MC was in the same place as her without talking about it and is now blaming him for her own assumptions.
Anyway, I kind of dislike how the story basically pushed the MC together with her anyway, I mean in all my choices with her I was just being a nice guy and peeking on her in the bath and yet things ended up this way. I would have liked some more choice in actually starting something with her or not.
Do what I do, help get but fail to get the third affection point. This will make you help her but not make her fall in love with you.
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There is draugr scene when she says she needs a man and I want you MC says I'm here she was very clear what she wanted and MC responded with I'm here and it's not a choice based response either then there is a scene in the tent she mentioned that she thought they have a special kind of relation and MC responded with we do. Also MC said to her you are the person I trust most here etc. Yrsa also said she is in love with MC, MC did not say the same thing but did not dismissed it either. Also also, in the tent conversation if I am not mistaken she said she wants MC for herself. So you cannot deny Yrsa was being clear what she wanted from MC.
Maybe I was not clear enough but I did not say they were in exclusive relationship. I said Yrsa was very clear what she wanted from MC and thinks they were exclusive. MC never denied what she was saying, when she was saying she is in love with or she wanted him for herself etc. So we weren't exclusive won't hold as an excuse from MC.
Yeah, that's what I did in the end to, but I would have preferred to be able to make the choices I like and then choose wether or not to actually start a relationship. But, oh well.
Well first of all, "you have me" is very different from "I'm here". Furthermore, she was in the MC's arms, clearly turned on, to me, in that situation "I want you" means, "I want your mouth on mine" not "let's make babies and spend the rest of our lives together".
To be specific, she said "A special relationship of trust", which can mean a hundred different thing, including "best friends" or "friends with benefits" or "non-exclusive lovers". Saying you have "A special relationship of trust" means less then a fart if you don't elaborate. Hel, I'm in a special relationship of trust with my mother, am I supposed to be fucking her now? Exclusively?
And not answering a declaration of love is a pretty clear message of where he stands.
Lastly, she didn't say she wanted him for herself, she said "when you appeared, I started wanting everything for myself". That, just like the relationship of trust thing, can mean a hundred different thing and is far from a clear message, so saying they where not exclusive is still an incredibly good excuse, becouse the fact is, that it's true. Yrsa kind of tip toed around such things and the MC never said anything about it.
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A lack of choice in the ysra story is actually a common thing, for example, when she asked about wether or not the MC plans to have sex with Helga, it would have liked a choice between "No" or "only if she wants to", instead of the scripted response
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Well I am not sure why are we dragging this, we basically are saying the same thing and reaching 2 different conclusion. Were they exclusive? No. It is even hard to say they have a relationship. Was Yrsa expecting something different? Yeah, clearly. So when she saw MC balls deep in Yulla, whatever they had was over. I believe whatever MC says after that point, including we weren't exclusive will not be enough to save it. You seem to think different about it.