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DanMachiFan

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you shouldn't let patrons control the direction of the game
Holy words. The worst thing that can happen to a game is a developer that loose passion toward his creation.
If you (dev) have a story in mind, tell that story.
God knows, in one way or another, there will always be people who will complain.
 
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j4yj4m

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Holy words. The worst thing that can happen to a game is a developer that loose passion toward his creation.
If you (dev) have a story in mind, tell that story.
Patreons in SS have very little influence on the story anyway and as far as I'm aware DC knows more or less how the game will look like in the end and has a basic story and quite a few details ready for every character. All patreons get to decide is which content gets introduced first and who will have to wait. I think that's actually quite a good compromise.
 

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This is a free market economy. If people like his working style, they will support him. If his supporters started to dislike his working style, then they will stop supporting him. At the end no one puts a gun on supporter's head.

But yeah i agree that people also have the right of criticizing things as much as they want, they even have this right even if they are not backers and have nothing to do with SS.

I personally also think that incest issue was obvious and serious threat (i was the one who wrote this issue long before all the shit goes down) so DC or others cannot say that "we didn't know incest rule of patreon". I believe that DC kept incest parts on purpose for his page to be taken down to justify additional few months in the eyes of his supporters, and i don't recognise this as an ethical action.

But who cares what i think? Ethics and morals are relative things and depends on every person, so yeah..
 
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There isn't much arguing with the quality of the product itself (in regards to you mentioning this as a "average amateur porn game"), it's a great drawing and writing quality overall, considering how much the game grew over it's development, I'm honestly impressed that it's basically still just considered .15, shows how big this is gonna be at one point or another.
Arguing happens about the things that are sorrounding it. For me (this is personal experience, therefore subjective) it's the lack of information on the main platform, namely patreon, which is why I hang around here, talking about the sorrounding factors. I mean, when information is scattered around several media like a blunderbuss, I hate to sift through every platform to gather a couple pieces of information.
And while I'm already here, I get to hear that the dev can drop an ironical shitpost about the "soon" post, yeah, that part again. Regardless on how it's supposed to be taken, if it was considered ironical, or just a random swing, someone, somewhere, is gonna get offended in our crazy time, and takes it to a point of being so pissed about it that they have to vent their frustration. This then goes over to other media platforms, where they talk about it, like on this forum and cause annoyances to the mods there, the other viewers and so on and so forth.
Then, there's always the money argument, about how much he makes, and for me personally, it's not about how much money he makes, but how he handles the aforementioned stuff in regards to consider how much money he is making. Is a developer really supposed to shitpost about something that is clearly bugging a big chunk of his community? What level of professionalism has to be on display for how much money he is making? I can't tell you that, because I can't see the whole picture, it's as simple as that. I wouldn't even mind if he were to make double the money, more money means more QA and potentially more staff.

So, short and boring story shorter - I'd just like to see more centralized information, regular updates and information, and some more of a professional behaviour, if you could call it that.

p.s. I know I'm probably waaaay to hung up on the shitposting thing, I guess I got offended as well, which is why I'm posting this stuff here, again and this is my way of venting frustration maybe? wow, meta.
Don't know man, as i posted before the deleting, i think we ussualy blame the wrong target. As it happens in the game industry lately too, we, the users are the ones to be blamed for. These things happens because that "pay-the-product-before-is-finished" goes the wrong way. I know, i know, this is "free" those are "donations", but at the end it's the same. There are lots of scammers out there making a life, and sometimes when things don't go according to plan (as with this last patch) some people feel like they have been fooled. I Think DC have his heart at this project and he deserves the benefit of the doubt, he even gave us a secret patch last year's halloween out of the blue. Probably his problem is bad schedulling, and lot's of people expecting results. Also, he should probably hire more people.
 

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Holy words. The worst thing that can happen to a game is a developer that loose passion toward his creation.
If you (dev) have a story in mind, tell that story.
God knows, in one way or another, there will always be people who will complain.
Thanks!
PS: I got a like from a Mod! *grinning from ear to ear*
 
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So Dog(coder) got in VC in the discord and explained that they did a "high quality" revision of the dialogue instead of just searching and replacing certain words, he said he wouldn't be surprised if the update got pushed out today if there's no more bugs.

Edit: there's at least 80 people in this single voice room lmao
 

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While polls are interesting you shouldn't let patrons control the direction of the game. I mean, if you run out of ideas take a poll. First, make sure you complete most of the existing story lines. For example: Judith, Mrs Bissette, Ronda, Cassie, Eve, Jane, Annie, Principal Smith (school cult) , Coach Bridget, Liu Wang, Eve's sister. All unfinished stories, BUT we have new teachers? MC should have the option to "night swim" with Cassie if you know what I mean.

Lastly DC needs to hire a manager to supervise staff and maintain a work flow chart and time schedule. Let DC be creative. He enjoys hosting live art sessions, let someone else manage. Somebody F'd up over there at Kompas Productions and DC is having to step in and clean up the mess. Unfortunately it's his name on the game so he ends up getting the blame (deserved or not).
The polls are to determine WHEN content comes out. DC established he has a story in mind and the time it comes out is what's in store for this.

In regards to the second question, the first iterations of code were DC's spaghetti code. He's since hired people from the community that has been created out of this game and that creates problems and bottleholes.

As has been stated numerous times, DC's bottleneck is the fact that he's the only artist. No one else has his style and he'd have to share a lot to hire another artist. As it stands, I understand what you're saying, but the reality is different from what you're assuming here.
 
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Patreons in SS have very little influence on the story anyway and as far as I'm aware DC knows more or less how the game will look like in the end and has a basic story and quite a few details ready for every character. All patreons get to decide is which content gets introduced first and who will have to wait. I think that's actually quite a good compromise.
Dc has plotted out the storyline to the end. And also has visualized the art. Basically all the polls are for is which content is to be drawn next. In his streams he asks for input about his drawings but generally has it already figured out.
 

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Just back watching Youtube videos of developing game, from amateur to pro.
It seem $30k is Amateur Standard. $100k for Indie Developer standard & $300k for Pro standard.
In this video I've watched, they pretty much listing the numbers, not just estimating.

Then you asking ... "many developer in Patreon are $1k~5k ... and that already a lot !"
Well shieeet ... those developer is like seeing a jews in nazi's camp concentration ...
 

DanMachiFan

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Patreons in SS have very little influence on the story anyway and as far as I'm aware DC knows more or less how the game will look like in the end and has a basic story and quite a few details ready for every character. All patreons get to decide is which content gets introduced first and who will have to wait. I think that's actually quite a good compromise.
Sorry, my post was a little OT because I was speaking for games in general. What you says make sense but, like RegularJoe pointed out before, I wouldn't put other characters in the game when others have very little content just to make my patrons happy. I also understand that this is a business, so my way of thinking is the wrong one. Nevermind me. :)
PS: I got a like from a Mod! *grinning from ear to ear*
PS: He's the founder! ;)
 
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j4yj4m

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Sorry, my post was a little OT because I was speaking for games in general. What you says make sense but, like RegularJoe pointed out before, I wouldn't put other characters in the game when others have very little content just to make my patrons happy.
I think that's a basic decision which is handled differently from dev to dev. You can either do it like DC and bascially introduce most characters pretty early on so you get a rather lively world, many people will find their favourite character and there's always the chance to let MC interact with them in case they are needed for other character's stories. That has of course the large downside that most characters will have to wait for ages until they will get their story told, which is something that can be criticized.
On the other hand you can do it the way most devs do it and introduce only very few characters at the start (in case of the twist only 2 for example), elaborate them and then start to add more and more characters sooner or later. The big downside is of course that the world will look very sterile and boring and that there will be quite a few people who won't like any of those characters and thus won't care about the game.

So I think it's not only done to make patreons happy but a basic decision DC made at some point. I mean it's indeed somewhat odd to have school and almost no teachers so it's good that he introcuded them. And once they are introduced there is little reason to not let patreons vote on them. At least that's how I see it.
 

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Patreons in SS have very little influence on the story anyway and as far as I'm aware DC knows more or less how the game will look like in the end and has a basic story and quite a few details ready for every character. All patreons get to decide is which content gets introduced first and who will have to wait. I think that's actually quite a good compromise.
I couldn't disagree more. I would argue that the reason story lines are not completed is partly because of the polls. If you push one story to the front of the line, other existing stories get pushed back or out. It's simple math, his time is limited polls choose where he spends his time.

Why introduce Judith if nothing is going to happen? I would have hooked her up with Eric instead of introducing a new gamer girl (forgot her name). Perhaps Judith for example should move away, be put in a coma, dies a mysterious death? What another murder? But we haven't solved dad's yet! Too many new story lines.

Its the shiny quarter syndrome. Do you want this shiny new quarter (character) or a beat up old dollar (old character). I'm sure it's more fun for DC to draw new characters then work on old ones. But unfinished is just that...unfinished, not complete. To quote the famed philosopher Larry the Cable Guy. Gitter Done!


PS: Polls are kind of a gimmick... and the winner is.... Whoever I choose! It's a win-win. I let you think you picked the next story but I continue the way I want. I'm not saying that's what happened but who would know?
 
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j4yj4m

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Why introduce Judith if nothing is going to happen? I would have hooked her up with Eric instead of introducing a new gamer girl (forgot her name). Perhaps Judith for example should move away, be put in a coma, dies a mysterious death? What another murder? But we haven't solved dad's yet! Too many new story lines.
So you have people to interact with? Can you imagine how boring the story would be without any of the students and all those very minor characters? It adds flavor, realism, diversity and the important possibility to develope small side stories and better quests. Of course you are right that there are people who will get frustrated but a school without for example Judith, Roxxy, the latinas, Rhonda etc. (none of them would have been necessary until now) would just be empty and the story certainly would suffer. The game would lose more than half of its characters and I don't really see anything positive in that.
 

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well the wait is over, its 100% on patreon page. DC has stated himself that 0.15 is out, just waiting for download link.
 

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I believe that DC kept incest parts on purpose for his page to be taken down to justify additional few months in the eyes of his supporters, and i don't recognise this as an ethical action.

But who cares what i think? Ethics and morals are relative things and depends on every person, so yeah..
I feel this is a pretty crappy thing to say, when there hasn't been any indication that the devs are like this, and your only "evidence" is that this release is taking forever.

DC said on stream that this update is more than twice the size of any update before it. If you take his word on that, and given the amount of stuff on YouTube it looks that way, then this release is pretty much consistent with previous releases. Most releases are in the 6-7 weeks range, and we are at 16 weeks, so that's pretty close.

I get that people get frustrated with the wait times, but calling DC lazy, or saying he is milking is a dick move IMO. He streams like 5 (or more?) times a week, so you know he is consistently working. And he doesn't charge for the game, so he's not holding any "product" hostage. I myself dropped my monthly pledge when I realized there wasn't a release on a monthly basis.
 
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So you have people to interact with? Can you imagine how boring the story would be without any of the students and all those very minor characters? It adds flavor, realism, diversity and the important possibility to develope small side stories and better quests. Of course you are right that there are people who will get frustrated but a school without for example Judith, Roxxy, the latinas, Rhonda etc. (none of them would have been necessary until now) would just be empty and the story certainly would suffer. The game would lose more than half of its characters and I don't really see anything positive in that.
I understand adding new characters but you're missing the point. You're making out with Judith after you ask her to take off her pants, She says I don't feel comfortable yet. Yet. That's many many updates ago. Unfinished. Cassie, she gives you a handjob or sex with or without a condom. You can only choose handjob. She's another one that goes way back. Unfinished. Mrs Bissette flirts with you (offers reward for A's) but can't do anything without Version 3 of the French book. Again very old story but... Unfinished. Roxxy is DC's avatar but it took Forever just to get the shower scene. Thank god for the shower scene! Mia. People were getting really pissed off because he kept putting off working on Mia's story. Her story is super old too.

All I'm saying is add new characters But complete the really old stories first or at the same time.
 

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The download should already be with patreons, one of them could put the link here! HEHE
 

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well the wait is over, its 100% on patreon page. DC has stated himself that 0.15 is out, just waiting for download link.
Based on a dev comment, it appears they are currently ULing the file.

I'm getting my popcorn ready for the shitstorm that happens when the game breaks on the first version, like the Alpha always does. Usually the second version that comes out later in the day is the version worth downloading.

EDIT: I'll probably still DL it because I am a Munson.
 
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