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jufot

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Jufot...THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I'm glad you liked it! It's a very promising game.

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This game frustrates me. On one hand, the writing is fluent and witty, the central mystery is going really well, and I'm invested. I love the references to horror literature. The MC's misanthropic emo-with-an-attitude personality is very alluring.

On the other hand, I find all LIs to be dreadfully boring. The teacher's pet, the succubus with a heart of gold, the quirky manic pixie dream girl, and the sworn enemy falling for the hero are all just tiresome and uninspired. I can't bring myself to care about any of them. And Brianna? Hers is a disgusting storyline and the less I say about it, the better.

On yet another hand, I like the villainous women. They are all quite entertaining. Silver, Odette and Swansong are all unimpressed with MC. They toy with him, use him and dump him. Marie is the wildcard, and her reference to MC's past suggests MC will turn the tables on them eventually. But until then, I'll keep enjoying their dynamic with our poor hero :)
 

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I'm glad you liked it! It's a very promising game.
Indeed it is, but I'm kinda surprised that it makes the list, because as much as I prais what I praise, I feel like the creator is focused more on making visual art than anything else with all of its montages.
 

bacienvu88

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Wow, first time I've seen this topic go without a reply for several days.
It happens I guess.

I have been playing The Alchemist of Ars Magna . I have mixed to negative feelings about this one. It features the most stupid reason for MC having sex with LIs I have ever seen.
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Because liking each other surely isn't enough to have sex. :rolleyes:
 

realjitter

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Not that much going on in the AVN world right now. I played a couple of games who I deleted, pretty much, right away again because they were just boring/generic copycats of things you've seen a million times already. Well, ok, in one of them I had the MC giving some random hobo a stack of money in order to impress an LI :p. I mean, that's something new i guess?. Gotta have some balls to put something like that into your game imo.. Not gonna lie, that scene and a couple of others i've encountered recently "inspired" me to write my own dumb version of white knighting, but I couldn't come up with something "funny" since it's all been done already. Oh well, so it's just a dumb summary of all the AVN's i've read lately..


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Other than that, I finally started reading Mythos and I do like it so far despite it being fantasy themed which is usually not my cup of tea. Mad world would be a good example for a fantasy story that i don't like. Even though the AVN, as a whole, is pretty good, I still had to start skipping all the academy stuff later on which is basically 30% of the game :p
 
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Not that much going on in the AVN world right now. I played a couple of games who I deleted, pretty much, right away again because they were just boring/generic copycats of things you've seen a million times already. Well, ok, in one of them I had the MC giving some random hobo a stack of money in order to impress an LI :p. I mean, that's something new i guess?. Gotta have some balls to put something like that into your game imo.. Not gonna lie, that scene and a couple of others i've encountered recently "inspired" me to write my own dumb version of white knighting, but I couldn't come up with something "funny" since it's all been done already. Oh well, so it's just a dumb summary of all the AVN's i've read lately..


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Other than that, I finally started reading Mythos and I do like it so far despite it being fantasy themed which is usually not my cup of tea. Mad world would be a good example for a fantasy story that i don't like. Even though the AVN, as a whole, is pretty good, I still had to start skipping all the academy stuff later on which is basically 30% of the game :p


You know, I don't play many games these days. I'm extremely picky with what I play, as I have almost no free time. (As it turns out devoting 8+ hrs a day on a game, PLUS working on the side for actual cash, PLUS trying to... you know sleep and stuff leaves not a lot of free time!), so I can't say I've ever played any games like the little mockup you provided....

But it saddens me that it is 100% believable there are a multitude of games exactly like that out there..... Ok maybe without the months bit.... god at least I hope without that.

Idk which is sadder to me. That games in that exact vein actually exist, or that there's enough demand that more than one does. (This is assuming they do, but something tells me they most definitely do.)
 
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realjitter

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You know, I don't play many games these days. I'm extremely picky with what I play, as I have almost no free time. (As it turns out devoting 8+ hrs a day on a game, PLUS working on the side for actual cash, PLUS trying to... you know sleep and stuff leaves not a lot of free time!), so I can't say I've ever played any games like the little mockup you provided....

But it saddens me that it is 100% believable there are a multitude of games exactly like that out there..... Ok maybe without the months bit.... god at least I hope without that.

Idk which is sadder to me. That games in that exact vein actually exist, or that there's enough demand that more than one does. (This is assuming they do, but something tells me they most definitely do.)
Oh, you'd be surprised about all the things you can find here. When I started reading AVN's i just downloaded them without checking screenshots or reading the summary or anything.. Well, that was a bad idea...
 
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bacienvu88

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Oh, you'd be surprised about all the things you can find here. When I started reading AVN's i just downloaded them without checking screenshots or reading the summary or anything.. Well, that was a bad idea...
On the other hand I love the rare times where I download some random thing expecting it to be drivel, but then it turns out to be pretty good.
 

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On the other hand I love the rare times where I download some random thing expecting it to be drivel, but then it turns out to be pretty good.
which one in your opinion is better and/or you like more? Sicae or MBML?

I tried to go through MBML beginning several times but it's hard to go through it given other alternatives because the beginning script is kinda rough and makes me drop it and play other games instead
 

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which one in your opinion is better and/or you like more? Sicae or MBML?

I tried to go through MBML beginning several times but it's hard to go through it given other alternatives because the beginning script is kinda rough and makes me drop it and play other games instead
the beginning is very rough but the rest is well above average in my opinion. is sicae rough at the start too havent tried it yet
 

bacienvu88

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which one in your opinion is better and/or you like more? Sicae or MBML?

I tried to go through MBML beginning several times but it's hard to go through it given other alternatives because the beginning script is kinda rough and makes me drop it and play other games instead
I like both Sicae and MBML, but for different reasons. Sicae is more about action, violence and death. MBML is more about the heart wrenching and has me crying a lot. :)

I'd say MBML really starts to pick up in Episode 4 with Gwen and even more in episode 5 with Emma's backstory. Sicae starts pick up with the reveal on what MC really is. Niichan has really improved on his story-telling every episode and it shows in that the quality is much better now.

Personally I probably would play MBML first, mainly because Sicae contains a lot more lore that can be hard to get on first playthrough (there is a reason I have a character guide :)). On the other hand the lore also gives interesting background info on stuff that happens in MBML.
 
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EndlessNights

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On the other hand, I find all LIs to be dreadfully boring. The teacher's pet, the succubus with a heart of gold, the quirky manic pixie dream girl, and the sworn enemy falling for the hero are all just tiresome and uninspired. I can't bring myself to care about any of them. And Brianna? Hers is a disgusting storyline and the less I say about it, the better.
While Zero End's principal appeal definitely lies in its mysterious story and excellent worldbuilding, I find most of the characters interesting as well. I'd say Selena and Rayne are my two favorite of the assumed LIs so far.

I like Selena's intelligence, conscientiousness, and aura of mystery. I get the sense that she keeps things from Caleb (just as just about every single other character in the game does) not so much because she has an agenda but more because she is caring and worries about the consequences of revealing too much information to someone who might not need to know it just yet. Interestingly, the plot and one of the characters who definitely does have an agenda is pushing Selena directly into conflict with Caleb, but I have little doubt that she'll choose to do what she thinks is right rather than mindlessly follow authority.

Rayne offers a nice personality contrast with most of the other characters in the game, including the MC, because she is so warm and open. At the same time, her dual nature mirrors Caleb's own (which we still don't understand very well) so potentially those two -- those four?! -- could understand and relate to one another in a uniquely profound way.

I struggle with Alice and Keira a bit because in the real world there's basically no way I can imagine someone who approached me out of nowhere in a weird and even hostile way becoming immediately and seamlessly integrated into my social circle. It happens in VNs all the time, sure, but in real life I'd be actively avoiding both of them until graduation after those terrible first impressions. However, Stolen Rose wisely pivots quickly with Keira and makes her into a much more reasonable character. I think she's going to be much more than a generic tsundere -- there have already been several good scenes with her IMO. Alice on the other hand desperately still needs some more development. Right now she feels like a comic relief character who is also almost certainly going to betray Caleb in a horrible way so I'm not exactly hearing wedding bells chiming...

The Brianna storyline took me completely off-guard and I can understand why it disgusted you. I felt like there definitely needed to be more choices to let Caleb either offer to protect her without the need for sexual favors or back away from her completely. My guess is this path will either be similar to Fairy's storyline in Desert Stalker and allow Caleb to choose to try to help her heal or freely abuse her OR Brianna will turn out to have her own agenda and her submissiveness will simply turn out to have been a ploy she used to get closer to her target. At least given the state of the world in Desert Stalker it's semi-plausible to believe Fairy might actually be better off with Zaton than not, but in Zero End Brianna would almost certainly have better results if she sought professional mental help instead of relying on Caleb's magic dick if she is genuinely troubled.

On yet another hand, I like the villainous women. They are all quite entertaining. Silver, Odette and Swansong are all unimpressed with MC. They toy with him, use him and dump him. Marie is the wildcard, and her reference to MC's past suggests MC will turn the tables on them eventually. But until then, I'll keep enjoying their dynamic with our poor hero :)
I was actually a bit disappointed with how things went with Silver and Swansong. Silver has interested me ever since her first meeting with Caleb on the bus, but when they actually had a chance for a real conversation it was all mockery and threats from her. Caleb was perhaps too presumptuous in the way he demanded answers, but he's understandably frustrated with the way people keep fucking with his life (Silver seemingly included). As for Swansong, she seems to be a very predatory type of vampire who views humans as little more than walking blood bags...not sure there's much scope for any sort of "relationship" there, but we'll see if anything is motivating her beyond bloodlust. I wonder why Caleb's dick was out in the flashback if you accept her dance offer -- I hope she didn't sexually assault him while she had him under thrall. (There's also one scene with her I haven't unlocked yet which might be enlightening. I have so many Zero End saves that I'll likely be replaying the game for the next week or two.)

On the other hand, I did quite like Odette. She's like the vampire rocker equivalent of Quinn from BaDIK: she's horny, hates lovey dovey moments, and has evil associations. She's also a blast to spend time with and might not be all bad deep down.
 
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which one in your opinion is better and/or you like more? Sicae or MBML?

I tried to go through MBML beginning several times but it's hard to go through it given other alternatives because the beginning script is kinda rough and makes me drop it and play other games instead
Those two names mean nothing to me. I presume they are games.
 

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I'm surprised that "This Time" is not in the list? (well maybe not surprised, I just found out about it) The early game is a bit generic and can be offputting to some but it develops into a very strong thriller with heavy focus on storytelling instead of porn.
 

boobsrcool

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I'm surprised that "This Time" is not in the list? (well maybe not surprised, I just found out about it) The early game is a bit generic and can be offputting to some but it develops into a very strong thriller with heavy focus on storytelling instead of porn.
if you like what the latter part of the current version turned into you'll love the parts that haven't been reworked yet
 
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