Recommending Story-first games

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Yeah, the line is definitely subjective. I haven't played The Arson Betrayal, but the other two do satisfy the criteria for me.

Keep in mind that, while the list in the OP reflects my tastes, the thread doesn't, which is where the real value is :)
I'm pretty sure you would like it (because it's story-first). It's one of the more memorable games for me, and that's also a medium bar to clear, I enjoy reading stories and gets easily immersed but "being memorable" is not an easy feat for me.

On the other side, you may not like Arson Betrayal because outside of that 3 female characters, the other characters have scenes with MC just because he's MC. The reasons for others are more of a stretch. I do feel that way even with BaDIK though.

There are some girls that do it with BaDIK MC where their reasonings are a stretch.

Speaking of a stretch, I really want to clear My Bully is My Lover because it's highly recommended, but I checked out the moment the first scene happened because the reason of why that scene happened is the very definition of a stretch. It's so stretchy it becomes immersion breaking.

And speaking of immersion breaking, I can't for the life of me forced myself to continue Where The Heart Is further than Chapter 3 because the writing is just extremely unengaging. I feel like the more I play these AVN games, the less and less tolerance I have for incoherent writings.

As in the writing doesn't even try to have any semblance of in-world logic to give players the reason "why" the female characters would have scenes with MCs.

Where The Heart Is, Depravity, and Lancaster Boarding House are 3 games where I just checked out and close the game because the writings isn't writings.
 

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I'm pretty sure you would like it (because it's story-first). It's one of the more memorable games for me, and that's also a medium bar to clear, I enjoy reading stories and gets easily immersed but "being memorable" is not an easy feat for me.

On the other side, you may not like Arson Betrayal because outside of that 3 female characters, the other characters have scenes with MC just because he's MC. The reasons for others are more of a stretch. I do feel that way even with BaDIK though.

There are some girls that do it with BaDIK MC where their reasonings are a stretch.

Speaking of a stretch, I really want to clear My Bully is My Lover because it's highly recommended, but I checked out the moment the first scene happened because the reason of why that scene happened is the very definition of a stretch. It's so stretchy it becomes immersion breaking.

And speaking of immersion breaking, I can't for the life of me forced myself to continue Where The Heart Is further than Chapter 3 because the writing is just extremely unengaging. I feel like the more I play these AVN games, the less and less tolerance I have for incoherent writings.

As in the writing doesn't even try to have any semblance of in-world logic to give players the reason "why" the female characters would have scenes with MCs.

Where The Heart Is, Depravity, and Lancaster Boarding House are 3 games where I just checked out and close the game because the writings isn't writings.
My bully is my lover and where the heart is have rough starts but get better
 

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That's totally reasonable. I mentioned Steam because my only experience on that platform was with Tlaero's 'Life Changes for Keeley' and, during the few weeks it stayed online, it was indexed by a Spanish ero-games curator with +3k followers and it got some positive reviews from Spanish-speaking players, so I think having the translation had an impact in overall sales. I can't quantify that impact, though. Of course, a pro translation is out of reach for most of devs in this forum
This is easy for me to say, since I'm beyond lucky enough to have one of the best Spanish localizers around translating my stuff, but I think that a human translation must be better than not translating at all. If the player is able to play in English, they will. If they're unable to play in English, then you really lose nothing by having it translated. Best case, you get more players. Worst case, you get someone who wasn't going to play your game to try it, and due to a bad translation, they stop playing it.

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I gave One Night Stand a shot recently and have some mixed feelings. On paper it should be perfect for me and I love the ideas behind the corruption path, but it never blew me away.

I'm not sure why. Possibly it's just too early in development for me. I often have to play for awhile before I start to vibe with a AVN. There's also some places where I'd have liked an illusion of choice, although I can understand why the devs don't want people to get confused between the options that do and don't matter.

Still going to keep an eye on it, hopefully it does click for me once there's more content.
 
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Well paced is subjective so YMMV, but just from a quick look:

- A Long Journey
- Blackberry Honey (+)
- Cardinal Cross (+)
- Elvensang
- Intertwined
- Oathbreaker 1 & 2 (+)
- Price of Power
- The Bite: Revenant
- The Warrior's Heart (+)

The ones with (+) are completed.
Sorry for the delay, but thanks for the recommendations, appreciate it!

I was browsing releases today and happened upon A Shot In The Dark. A game, in my opinion, worth keeping an eye on. Despite at first glance appearing as your run of the mill cookie cutter college AVN, it has a 2nd plot layer that involves kidnapping of one of the potential LI. How important that particular plot thread is too early to say, as the game has barely moved past what is essentially prologue but it seems to be fairly...
I dig the visuals, hope it's good.


TheimmortalP you can have multiple quotes in a single post, no need to make 5 separate ones :)
I just saw this, alright, my bad. Thanks.


Anyway, it's obvious to everyone by now that The Entrepreneur is a story-first game and has therefore been added to the OP :)
Both your words, and the screenshots certainly make me wanna check it out. How's the pacing?

I just finished playing the demo of Your Story. I'm a sucker for hand-drawn VNs and the gorgeous artwork on the game page grabbed my attention.
I'm a sucker for hand drawn animation too, but god, this looks so bland.


Thoughts on The Hellcat Lounge? It's a slice of life VN set around a rock bar. It's early days for the game, and the central premise is quite porny (Two best friends have a crush on MC, so four girls have a contest to pursue him and break the stalemate) but I'm really enjoying it :)
That description makes it sound interesting, but the fact that it's slice of life scares me. After taking like a year to read through Melody, I'm super afraid of super slow pacing.


Don't ask me, I like the game! Perhaps others will chime in.


Acting Lessons is in the OP. I don't remember why I didn't include it in the list I gave you. It's an older game and I don't fully recall what I did or didn't like. Give it a shot :)
Thanks, appreciate it.

Edit: Ok, I at least thing that I combined them all into one, and deleted the rest. And yeah, caught up with this topic.

Edit 2: Or not, I accidentally deleted one. I wanted to know, how's the pacing on The Enterpreneur?
 
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TheimmortalP you can have multiple quotes in a single post, no need to make 5 separate ones :)

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[The Entrepreneur] How's the pacing?
I'd say it's pretty good, though not all characters get equal screen time.

[The Hellcat Lounge] After taking like a year to read through Melody, I'm super afraid of super slow pacing.
It's nothing at all like Melody and is definitely not slow.
 
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This seemed like an announcement of something some of you might like: https://f95zone.to/threads/arabella-a-text-based-vn-in-development.134468
I'd love to see more period settings like this, particularly if the dev has the chops to get the historical context right.

There are a few pirate games, but most of them are terrible... and have zero connection to the actual golden age of piracy in the 1600s. A story-based adult game in the style of Sid Meier's _Pirates!_ would be brilliant.
 

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I've started playing Between Two Worlds after a couple of recommendations here. I'm just past demon lady's second appearance. That's chapter 3, I think? So far, I'm not sold. It seems like the game is just an extended, self-insert wet dream for the developer? I mean, the MC is a late teens AVN developer who is in to anime and DnD, but also a social butterfly who has "always had a girl on each arm". How much more on the nose could you get? :D
 

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There's a significant amount of suspension of disbelief required there...
Oh, I wish it was just his background, but there is so much more:

- MC only has eyes for his girlfriend (because he is a gentleman, of course), but sadly has to consider forming a harem because it's what she wants. How could he possibly say no? He loves her!
- The girls have all originally considered DnD to be "weird nerd shit" (their words) but immediately upon playing once with MC's party, it becomes their favourite hobby.
- In a 7 person DnD party, MC is the only straight man and wouldn't you know it, all the girls are into him (and only him) including the NPCs! :D
 

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- MC only has eyes for his girlfriend (because he is a gentleman, of course), but sadly has to consider forming a harem because it's what she wants. How could he possibly say no? He loves her!
- The girls have all originally considered DnD to be "weird nerd shit" (their words) but immediately upon playing once with MC's party, it becomes their favourite hobby.
- In a 7 person DnD party, MC is the only straight man and wouldn't you know it, all the girls are into him (and only him) including the NPCs! :D
Sigh. So many devs (and members) on this site evidence very little real world experience with over half of humanity. How else could they create such boring, passive, submissive female LIs? This particular dev seems to have spawned a MC caught in a narcissistic fantasy, which is about as appealing to me as a trip to the dentist.
 

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Sigh. So many devs (and members) on this site evidence very little real world experience with over half of humanity. How else could they create such boring, passive, submissive female LIs? This particular dev seems to have spawned a MC caught in a narcissistic fantasy, which is about as appealing to me as a trip to the dentist.

While I agree boring/passive/submissive female LI's generally suck (I won't speak on the game in question since I haven't played it so it wouldn't be fair to comment one way or the other), there's also danger in going the other way.

I actually tried to go out of my way with my story and characters to give much of the strength and power to the women - I didn't want to create your typical "White knight male MC comes to the rescue of the helpless females in his harem" type of thing, I wanted the women to have a lot of power and say over their own destiny - but in doing so I ended up making the MC somewhat bland. It very quickly became "The MC sort of goes along for the ride while other people do things" which I had to make sure I at least attempted to correct a bit - which, without actually changing anything important, is more difficult than it sounds once you've gotten started.

I'm not defending poor characterization or anything like that, I'm just saying there's a definite balancing act when you're trying to create things within the confines you've set for yourself (the confines usually being the story you envisioned), and it's definitely easy to go too far in one direction or the other.
 
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It seems like the game is just an extended, self-insert wet dream for the developer? I mean, the MC is a late teens AVN developer who is in to anime and DnD, but also a social butterfly who has "always had a girl on each arm". How much more on the nose could you get?
I wonder if games like this could ever be enjoyable from a story-first perspective. Especially harem games have this problem, at least for me, where the blatant wish fulfillment always takes away from the story. I mean, I can see how "lifestyle" games could be interesting, but that's usually not what harem games are about. Like, I could see some kinks used as plot devices, but with other kinks there seems to be a fine line, where the cringy wish fulfillment quickly starts to take away from the story, even for games with obvious effort put into it.

There's games like Confusion, where a coming-of-age story is made more interesting by the fact that you play as a trans girl. I suspect that it will be fetishized in future updates, because, for a trans girl that's been on blockers since even before puberty, the PC still has very "healthy" erections. But this fetish will still make for an interesting story with the added benefit that the sex scenes won't feel out of place.

And a game like A Long Journey is story-first in the sense that the sex scenes are basically equivalent to action scenes from non-porn movies. The only real difference to the source material "Passengers" is that the sex scenes are explicit.
But from what I can read in the planned tags and the dev's comments, this is only supposed to be the beginning of the game and there'll be many more characters (all of them women, from what's being teased so far) and there's going to be incest and harem and I can't help but feel like it's going to go down hill from here. I wonder if the story-first status, at least for me, hinges on the fact that the game is vanilla so far and if other kinks might ruin it for me.

But even an almost entirely vanilla romance game like Leap of Faith has me conflicted, because half of the game is basically just several short romance novels without much connection to the main plot. Purely as a script, without the expectation of this being a choice game, only Steph's path really makes sense and is satisfying (and, surprise, only Steph and Cece got qualitatively good endings honestly). All the other paths seem like fan service and almost turn the suicide plot into an out of place cheap tear jerker.
Like, what was Cece even supposedly saving the PC from, when he always had his very supportive best friend by his side and the first three women he talks to in two years immediately fall for him? Did the PC really need help getting over Steph, when the players already have to pick a LI even before hearing Steph's full story? Weirdly enough Cece's first jump is, when her best friend Linda is at her worst, but she decides that it's the PC out of all people that needs help before she jumps again. Only Linda, Cece and Steph needed saving, really, but the getaway with Lexi would have happened without them either way.

Now Rebirth on the other hand, to me, is a game, where even the low amount of sex scenes can't hide the fact that all the plot points are nothing more than maledom and harem tropes. Things seem to happen just because and only if I'm very charitable can I find any plot relevance in most character arcs.
The PC has no motivations or inner monologue and he just does things randomly without any conflict, so his harem can incidentally fall into place. People that like the game very much seem to excuse this by saying that the PC is a pretty cool guy and eh doesn't afraid of anything, but that's not even concretely established in the story and it would be boring anyway.
I guess there's the blatant wish fulfillment again. Only this time without the payoff of actual explicit sex. And maybe that's the crux. Maybe some kinks lend themselves more to bland power fantasies that would never make for a good story.
 
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which is about as appealing to me as a trip to the dentist.
Actually, I quite like my dentist and the trips there :D

Now that I'm playing the game with a more critical eye, I keep noticing lots of annoying details. Minor on their own, but together they form a pattern. Take this scene I'm reading right now: The girls (MC's GF + her 2 best friends / future harem members) are doing yoga in MC's living room under his watchful eye. They are talking about boys, because of course they are. The sexually forward one is pressuring the shy, wallflower virgin to talk about why she keeps turning down all the boys at school. Well, you see it's because every single one of those boys want one thing only, and it's disgusting! Not the MC, of course, he's a gentleman. He will fuck her too, of course, but he's totally not like those other guys :)

I actually tried to go out of my way with my story and characters to give much of the strength and power to the women - I didn't want to create your typical "White knight male MC comes to the rescue of the helpless females in his harem" type of thing, I wanted the women to have a lot of power and say over their own destiny - but in doing so I ended up making the MC somewhat bland. It very quickly became "The MC sort of goes along for the ride while other people do things" which I had to make sure I at least attempted to correct a bit - which, without actually changing anything important, is more difficult than it sounds once you've gotten started.
I like most of your women. They have their own lives, and don't really need MC for anything. Even Erin doesn't need him, now that Stacey is in the picture. MC does come across a bit bland. I think it's because his life consists of showering and hanging out with the LIs. He doesn't really have anything going on. He needs to get a life :)
 
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I actually tried to go out of my way with my story and characters to give much of the strength and power to the women - I didn't want to create your typical "White knight male MC comes to the rescue of the helpless females in his harem" type of thing, I wanted the women to have a lot of power and say over their own destiny - but in doing so I ended up making the MC somewhat bland. It very quickly became "The MC sort of goes along for the ride while other people do things" which I had to make sure I at least attempted to correct a bit - which, without actually changing anything important, is more difficult than it sounds once you've gotten started.
You're making an important point, Noping -- there was quite a lot of discussion, back in the early days of this thread, about passive or (worse) tabula rasa MCs. Some players like malleable or personality-free MCs, because it allows them the freedom to play either a white knight or a sociopath. But jufot and I think that sort of MC archetype is incompatible with a compelling story-first game.

I do not think that writing distinctive female LIs forces the MC to become passive... the best games have both distinctive, well-written LIs AND a compelling MC who players enjoy role-playing.

Your MC is not personality free at all, but... he doesn't exactly grip me (at least, not in the way that your LIs do). I don't have a sense of what drives him... of what he finds compelling or repulsive... of his hopes and dreams.

In that vein, it's worth considering what we know about Rockford, the MC from Impious's promising new game. We know he is desperate to start a family of his own, but is afraid of doing so. This is, in part, because he has difficulty becoming emotionally intimate with anyone, due to his tumultuous, sad, lonely childhood. He finds meaning in obsessively pursuing justice, overworking himself in the process and drinking too much; he used that inner drive to achieve near-greatness as a young athlete, but was forced to retire due to injury. He dislikes and resents his father for abandoning him and his mother, but has sought for years to track him down. Despite this emotional wreckage, he is charismatic, a good and loyal friend, and inspires friendship in return.

I mean... that's a lot of hinterland, and light and shade, for the MC... and we're only on Chapter 2! I like role-playing the guy: not because I can get him to do anything I want -- his personality won't allow that -- but because I might be able to nudge him in directions that are compelling.
 

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I do not think that writing distinctive female LIs is incompatible forces the MC to become passive... the best games have both distinctive, well-written LIs AND a compelling MC who players enjoy role-playing.
No, it definitely doesn't - but when you're focus is on writing certain characters one way, it becomes all too easy to overlook anything outside of that purview. I'm not saying it's great, but it is easy. You're right, the best games DO have both. I didn't mean it was a balancing act in terms of one or the other, but rather where your attention as a dev is focused.

Your MC is not personality free at all, but... he doesn't exactly grip me (at least, not in the way that your LIs do). I don't have a sense of what drives him... of what he finds compelling or repulsive... of his hopes and dreams.

To be fair to me, that's intentional - neither does he. A number of times he's commented about how he really needs a job - because to him, "a job" is what defines him and gives him purpose, he hasn't really found anything outside of that. Spoiler alert (not really) that's where the title comes from.


I still haven't looked at imps game, but it is on the list of "check it out at some point". So far I haven't heard anything bad, which is rare. Most games ppl find *something* to complain about.
 

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[A Long Journey] But from what I can read in the planned tags and the dev's comments, this is only supposed to be the beginning of the game and there'll be many more characters (all of them women, from what's being teased so far) and there's going to be incest and harem and I can't help but feel like it's going to go down hill from here. I wonder if the story-first status, at least for me, hinges on the fact that the game is vanilla so far and if other kinks might ruin it for me.
Seconded. I'm quite worried about the future incestual stuff. The game has been completely realistic so far and I wish the dev would just stick with Selene. Still, if it does go in an excessively porny direction, I can always remove it from the list. It wouldn't be the first time :)

Now Rebirth on the other hand [...] nothing more than maledom and harem tropes. Things seem to happen just because and only if I'm very charitable can I find any plot relevance in most character arcs.

[...] People that like the game very much seem to excuse this by saying that the PC is a pretty cool guy and eh doesn't afraid of anything, but that's not even concretely established in the story and it would be boring anyway.

I guess there's the blatant wish fulfillment again. Only this time without the payoff of actual explicit sex. And maybe that's the crux. Maybe some kinks lend themselves more to bland power fantasies that would never make for a good story.
I like Rebirth, but I'm not a fan of the MC. Sharon is supposed to be the leader who took the inexperienced MC under her wing, but at this point the dynamic has entirely changed and MC is running the show. It feels completely unearned. It's very much a male power fantasy.

The one saving grace (and the reason it's on the list) is that the game is almost entirely plot. IIRC there has only been one sex scene so far, in 3 years of development. That one was pure maledom, with dubious consent. I wasn't a fan :/

Still, on balance I'm invested in the story and the downsides have been tolerable.


But even an almost entirely vanilla romance game like Leap of Faith has me conflicted, because half of the game is basically just several short romance novels without much connection to the main plot.
Yeah, I think it's time for LoF to be booted off the list. I've been disappointed with it for a while now.
 
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To be fair to me, that's intentional - neither does he. A number of times he's commented about how he really needs a job - because to him, "a job" is what defines him and gives him purpose, he hasn't really found anything outside of that. Spoiler alert (not really) that's where the title comes from.

I still haven't looked at imps game, but it is on the list of "check it out at some point". So far I haven't heard anything bad, which is rare. Most games ppl find *something* to complain about.
Interesting -- I'll just have to keep playing! (I was planning on doing that, anyway... some of your LIs are great.)

On LDNA: I initially feared that the MC was a Gary Stu. Fortunately, he very much isn't... his feet of clay are subtle, but serious, and make him feel human.
 

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Seconded. I'm quite worried about the future incestual stuff. The game has been completely realistic so far and I wish the dev would just stick with Selene. Still, if it does go in an excessively porny direction, I can always remove it from the list. It wouldn't be the first time :)
Still a shame, though, because the current version is one of my favourite games on this site. I just can't see how a potential harem wouldn't be a detriment, even if done well. That's just not the mood I'm getting from it.
 
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