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Nov. 19th? Between that and Camp Buddy dropping the 11th (assuming it doesn't get pushed back again) that will leave my Nov busy.
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Heh, chills are a good thing. Means your invested, to me. I'm glad you had the reaction you did. I wanted drama--heavy drama and some suffering during this part of the story but things really had to feel uncomfortable and get stretched out for awhile otherwise there would have been no consequence. If things had been quickly resolved the impact of Zack's story about his girlfriend would have had no real reason to be included. It would have felt like one of those cheesy sitcomes where the story arc happens and everything is quickly resolved back to normal. I hate that and it does nothing to move the story forward. I know a lot of peole were irked by the girlfriend scene and saw it as an obstacle. Hopefully, when v012 hits, you'll understand the gravity of what's been going on. I try and answer a ton of questions in v012.
And yeah, October was a bitch. I was soo frustrated and things were taking days to render rather than hours. Everything just fell apart. But when I finally got caught up with the new system and went back through the re-read and editing process; I was like "holy fuck, this is actually pretty good..." It felt good to one of the most crucial parts of the story actually hit the way I wanted to. But yeah, stay tuned... However, I'll remind you that I release the game for free, too. Don't set yourself back financially just to toss me some cash, bro. I appreciate the support but I'm also not a greedy person and I'd hate for you to be strapped because you donated to my porn game
But, serious: if you want to support on Patreon, go for it. Don't destroy yourself Hell, just advertising or recommending the game helps a lot. Encouraging others to play it or posting about it in places you think may be interesting to others usually gets me supporters. That's always helpful rather than strapping yourself Heh, yeah...i'll remain skeptical about an actual Camp Buddy release...although, let's be honest, they're UI blows my shit out of the water because I still suck at programming
Jesus the amount of cockteasing in this game is excruciating... You could rename it to Cocktease: The Game.
That said I'm about 99.9% sure the only partner we can have in this game is Braden, and I'd kinda kill for that not to be the case at some distant point in the future when the game is more or less fully completed, lol. I could literally write out an entire premise myself for getting together with literally all the other guys we were introduced to over the course of the game. Now it's practically BEGGING for a fourway orgy between Zack, Braden, Mikhail and Mom-Fucker... Like...bitch make it happen lol.
That said I'm about 99.9% sure the only partner we can have in this game is Braden, and I'd kinda kill for that not to be the case at some distant point in the future when the game is more or less fully completed, lol. I could literally write out an entire premise myself for getting together with literally all the other guys we were introduced to over the course of the game. Now it's practically BEGGING for a fourway orgy between Zack, Braden, Mikhail and Mom-Fucker... Like...bitch make it happen lol.
lol, I like the teasing because it feels real. In contrast to many of these games where you have an unlikely situation for two characters to hook up (ie. brother/sis, etc.)... I like that this is an unlikely situation between a gay and straight roommate. That's a lot of distance to cover to actually have them hook-up. Part of the fun in that is actually playing out how it could happen. Thus, you see the cockteasing but I feel like it gives you insight into how difficult it is for the characters. I can't tease them briefly then give it to you--there's no drama or build-up there. The important thing to me is finding a balance between build-up and realism without being annoying. Some may argue whether I've pulled that off or not.
In terms of dateable guys. Dude, I've sooooo gone back and forth on having the story include routes for the other guys. I had around 5 different characters in mind when I started this. I wanted to finish up Braden's route first because, if the project ever got scrapped, I wanted to have something finished unlike most of these abandoned games on here. Thus, it would just exist as a standalone. In the process of making that first route, things just got sooo big that I don't even know if it's feasible to do another route. I've never done any of this before so these are all amateur discoveries for me. While I write the game as I go, I feel like v0.12 is the halfway point. Even then, the game would clock in at 7 or 8 gig for one route! I have ideas where I'm going to go with things but I haven't confirmed thing yet. I like to keep my options open and write things as I go. It's kinda nice to enjoy the surprises of the story along with the community sometimes. I've had a lot of things happen in the story that surprised me and weren't planned.
The problem with adding other routes now is they would have to be as detailed as Braden's. I can pull that off but that's a HUGE investment to announce a new route. I mean, we're one year into the game now and I'm maybe halfway through...that would push this bad boy into years!! And other characters would definitely deseve the love that Braden's got (mostly thinking Mikhail cause he's my dude).
Yeah I do fully understand the need to have a realistic game instead of a fapquest, but with how little gay stuff we have to begin with compared to straight games out there I'd want a fapquest lol. I'm a guy, can ya blame me? :| But in all seriousness you're doing fine. You have your own thing you wanna do and are ACTUALLY doing it (in this world of dead games that's almost more than enough) so I guess I can't complain TOO much~
I hear you on the dateable guys too. Right now the game does feel a bit too dragged out for me in terms of excessively long conversations, but I guess the realism thing justifies it somewhat. But what about even just one-night stands or solely sexdates and fuckbuddies, not necessarily fully dateable romanceable characters? The cockteasing might be a bit easier to bear in that case.
I hear you on the dateable guys too. Right now the game does feel a bit too dragged out for me in terms of excessively long conversations, but I guess the realism thing justifies it somewhat. But what about even just one-night stands or solely sexdates and fuckbuddies, not necessarily fully dateable romanceable characters? The cockteasing might be a bit easier to bear in that case.
Not sure if I'm way off base with this, but if you wanted to add more sex, you could always do a cliche wet dream sequence and have it be with a different guy. Let the player choose from a few different options. This could give you an easier way to introduce that if you really wanted. It would also make the "jump to the next day" part of the game less of a process and more of a fun thing to do. Also, this wouldn't have to happen every night, or could be triggered by an event from the previous day. You could also introduce some inner dialogue with regards to this like "this is so confusing, why would I dream of getting fucked by Mikhail when all I want is Braden".
Then again, it might be a silly idea.
Then again, it might be a silly idea.
One of the major reasons I don't have this game as a "fapquest" is because I don't find that as stimulating tbh. I'm writing a game that I would like to play in a way that's never been done before. Even if I'm watching a porn video, I always enjoy those with a story or a lead-in before they just fuck. I find the relationship interesting and how the characters really interact with one other--otherwise, it doesn't really seem like a "visual novel." If there's no story, what's the point of calling it a "novel?" That being said, when I first made this game, it didn't really have an identity. I feel like anyone can write a game where people just fuck with no personality (there's a ton of examples on here right now). I feel like my approach is unique and I like that. Don't worry, there will be fapping material...but it all has to be part of the story for it to work.Yeah I do fully understand the need to have a realistic game instead of a fapquest, but with how little gay stuff we have to begin with compared to straight games out there I'd want a fapquest lol. I'm a guy, can ya blame me? :| But in all seriousness you're doing fine. You have your own thing you wanna do and are ACTUALLY doing it (in this world of dead games that's almost more than enough) so I guess I can't complain TOO much~
I hear you on the dateable guys too. Right now the game does feel a bit too dragged out for me in terms of excessively long conversations, but I guess the realism thing justifies it somewhat. But what about even just one-night stands or solely sexdates and fuckbuddies, not necessarily fully dateable romanceable characters? The cockteasing might be a bit easier to bear in that case.
I thought about this, too. It was an actually an earlier suggestion by someone else (I can't remember if it was on the this forum or not). The problem with that, to me, is --as your said-- it feels cliche af. One thing I've tried to do is surprise people with the story so that it's not as predictable as you may think. When I do use something cliche, I want that to still feel like a surprise because you were expecting something not cliche. That being said, I'm not master of writing here so I know I'm amateur. But: like I've consistently said, I wanted to inspire people to change up the approach again. In reality, there's one route in this story because ultimately I'm writing this game for a specific reason and to interject more guys into the mix my distract from the original intent of the story and point of what I'm doing. Ultimately, I can't let my dick write the story.
However, I haven't ruled out even brief side-routes like you're suggesting---but, they have to work with the characters. I have no plans to put them in as of this reply but I've changed my mind a litany of times already so who knows. While I may want that as much as you do sometimes, I can't compromise the integrity of the character. Honestly, the majority of my following are people that dig the slow build and the story. In all the messages I've ever gotten, I think counting these last 2 posts suggesting more sexual content bring the total to like 4 people. But, I'm with you. God knows I've made my share of dirty pictures on my computer for my own guilty pleasure but when the ink dries--I gotta be consistent to the story
That being said, long-term: I gotchu guys--I'll embrace my pervy side. I'm just not compromising the project for it. I know my approach isn't for everyone and I'm sorta ok with that. Sure, it would be sweet to make millions writing a Patreon story that caters to what people want, but I gotta take a little pride in what I do and the story part of this is what I enjoy doing the most.
- Nov 18, 2017
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I hear you on the dateable guys too. Right now the game does feel a bit too dragged out for me in terms of excessively long conversations, but I guess the realism thing justifies it somewhat. But what about even just one-night stands or solely sexdates and fuckbuddies, not necessarily fully dateable romanceable characters? The cockteasing might be a bit easier to bear in that case.
That would corrupt the whole storyline.
I'll just say Zack loves Braden, and then he won't do or dream anything like that, except his character would have changed all of a sudden and he now belongs to this kind of gays that I personally can't stand.
That would ridicule the whole romance in this story.
It's a no-go, guys.
I totally get that, I wasnt necessarily advocating for it, just spitballing ideas if it was something Aaryn wanted to implement in the future. I love the story and I am definitely more invested in that aspect than the fapfap at this point. I would never want you to compromise your vision because your vision is what makes you motivated to write this story, and at this point it is definitely more of a story than anything else. Like I said in a previous post, I have loved all of it so far!
On another note too though, people cant control what they dream, and even if you are madly in love with someone, brains can do stupid things contradictory to what you feel while awake. It doesnt mean you love a person any less, and you for sure would feel guilty about it, even angry, but it happens. This is again not me wanting this to happen, just saying that it does.
I mean if that's how you wanna put it, then I personally can't stand the type of gays that are desperate hopeless romantics who believe they'll grow old and die alone at age 21 after getting dumped by their first boyfriend of 2 months and they weren't even a great catch to begin with. I don't see any potential corruption whatsoever if Zack had one-night stands even if he was head over heels with Braden.
...In fact, correct me if I'm wrong here, but over the course of the game we've learned that Zack doesn't do well communicating with other people and Braden is pretty much the very first person he came out to, and I believe the first person he fell in love with as well. This was pretty much immediately after meeting him as his roommate and fully accepting the fact that he's straight. He then proceeds to specifically go out of his way to try and make it so he changes his mind and turns gay by CORRUPTING him in various ways, and it would be mindblowing if he ever had sex with someone else during this time? Or potentially admitting the fact that Braden is straight and he should find someone else to date? So what does that say about Zack then, and what type of gay he is? We've also had ourselves explicitly reminded throughout the active storyline that this all takes place in COLLEGE, a place basically designed for the sole purpose of experimentation, and sex doesn't fall under that? There are a multitude of reasons why anyone would do it regardless of any sort of feelings they might have for someone else but I don't need to go into depth with that unless you really insist I do.
Again, it's completely up to Aaryn to decide whether or not he would ever go that route and that's totally fine, either after fully finishing the current main route or just throwing some scenes in on the side doesn't matter. But you can absolutely NOT tell me this would "corrupt" the story in any way when it would barely even graze it, or even if it did damage it in the slightest, it would be capable of mending itself with ridiculous ease.
- Nov 18, 2017
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That is only my personal opinion not more. I don't think it's right... at least not in this storyline. I understand your opinion... but the story has progressed so far that I don't think it's right. And so far, Zack's character is very similar to a person I know.
Think what you want, honestly....
Think what you want, honestly....
You claimed it's a "no-go" as if you were absolutely adamant on it never being acceptable in the game in the slightest. But it most definitely would be. And I'm confident enough Aaryn could pull it off more than appropriately. I could literally do it myself if he needed assistance but it's his game so I have no intention of doing so, lol. I'm just saying overall it can definitely be done without any sort of negative effect on Braden's "perfect run".
Pretty heated for a porn character debate
But seriously...
One thing that may be throwing things off here is that @elleo may be referencing some potential parts of v0.12.1 that may squash some of the suggestions here for the interim. Without doing spoilers: Zack disclosing things about his character that may make some of the fantasy suggestions a little less consistent with his character based on what we know of his character now.
That being said, I'm a fan of development--of change within characters, too. I wouldn't put it past me to do different things with the characters depending on the length of the project. I've entertained several ideas but I'm still always open to see where the characters take me. I will agree that @Sierrus has several points that I have entertained regarding Zack's attachment to Braden given that he's the first person he came out to. This can create a level of attachment that very well could mask as love. Who knows? Additionally, Zack is 19 and the definition of love can vary greatly based on one's experiences. Honestly, this is a tough debate to have right now prior to the v0.12 release because a lot more happens in that update that gives additional context to this debate we're having now. What I'm not going to do is advertise my paid version and encourage people to go snag it. However, I will say this could be an interesting conversation after the public release of v0.12. I feel like @Sierrus makes some good points that are almost counter to what we've seen so far but there's added depth to Zack that comes out in v0.12 that may change these suggestions for the time being.
But seriously...
One thing that may be throwing things off here is that @elleo may be referencing some potential parts of v0.12.1 that may squash some of the suggestions here for the interim. Without doing spoilers: Zack disclosing things about his character that may make some of the fantasy suggestions a little less consistent with his character based on what we know of his character now.
That being said, I'm a fan of development--of change within characters, too. I wouldn't put it past me to do different things with the characters depending on the length of the project. I've entertained several ideas but I'm still always open to see where the characters take me. I will agree that @Sierrus has several points that I have entertained regarding Zack's attachment to Braden given that he's the first person he came out to. This can create a level of attachment that very well could mask as love. Who knows? Additionally, Zack is 19 and the definition of love can vary greatly based on one's experiences. Honestly, this is a tough debate to have right now prior to the v0.12 release because a lot more happens in that update that gives additional context to this debate we're having now. What I'm not going to do is advertise my paid version and encourage people to go snag it. However, I will say this could be an interesting conversation after the public release of v0.12. I feel like @Sierrus makes some good points that are almost counter to what we've seen so far but there's added depth to Zack that comes out in v0.12 that may change these suggestions for the time being.
- Nov 9, 2017
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@Aaryn I guess I just don't buy into the idea that a guy would be desperate for the very first person he ever came out to, consider him a God he needs to worship or die trying, and would be able to completely and utterly disregard any potential temptations that might come his way in the form of dozens of hot gay/bi guys out of which some openly invite him to pursue relationships or sexual offers (cough Mikhail cough). Of course it would work for the main route that's written out for Braden, but to have his route automatically block off any potential other dates that could hypothetically be added at some point? I don't buy it. But we'll see~
Heh, yeah. I know what you're saying. I chose Braden as the main route for a ton of reasons that I haven't disclosed yet completely. One of these days I'll get to the purpose of the project and share it. v012 won't completely refute the possibilty of what you're saying but it may clue you in some more and maybe why it hasn't happened yet.
And hopefully I didn't come across as defensive on the feedback and suggestions, too. Text doesn't always convey the right emotion. I get some people wanting more sex content. Shit... there's a few games on here that I I've conducted business to. lol. God knows I didn't want to read any more than I had to cause I had a purpose when I downloaded that shit. Hell, when it came to nudity on this game, I teased it forever but then was scared how to actually present it. You can build something up for too long and spoil the tension. Once I do a reveal on sexual content, it's out and I can't put them back. Braden's dick is a good example, we waited on that for months into the game. The wait, to me, caused us to build tension and really feel what Zack may have felt. This is partially why I never had Zack dream about Braden because the reveal would have been early. I did consider doing a dream at one point and having Zack do his own imaginary version of what Braden would look like but have it actually be incorrect. For example, he may have pictured Braden's dick looking like his own but then when we actually see Braden, he's uncut...things like that
Nah don't worry, you're fine on the feedback and suggestions. It's usually some other folks that might have a more defensive stance than the creator himself, LOL...
I get it, though. I mean, people throw money behind projects like this and they form their own expectations. The visual novel genre also lends itself to more control by the reader, allowing you to have the outcome you want through choices--something I'm still struggling with writing/coding because I have my own biases about the story. This game is also long af, it's an investment. I think people have a write to defend their position and interpretation of the game because they've spent time reading so much of it. Plus, I've really tried to set things up to get attached to the characters
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