claus001
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49% of commenters are bots, other 49% of commentors are just passing by, and remaining 2% actually fund the game.
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Are you talking about the original dev?Why did he sell the game? Anyone can link to the post explaining? I really liked this one.... didn't pay for it though
Edit: Never mind, looks like he just didn't earn enough for it.
If yes money was the the problem and I don't even know why you'll think that.
Here's his message.
Hasbromate
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- Dec 28, 2017
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I am curious how much was he making on this? I just found this game and it's unfortunate due to the state it's in right now.
The new update has ruined the game! The main character looks like a retard, to put it bluntly. I don't feel like describing the rest of the disaster. I deleted it and forgot about it. It's a shame, it used to be a good game.
"go watch a movie" - how about you just go to the hub an watch porn? Why are you playing adult visual novels if you just want to beat the meat? You'll never be happy.
Akra77
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About the rollback option, I didn't check the latest update but usually bringing up the console and entering config.rollback_enabled=True deals with the issue. If the code actively set this variable to False every time the scene changes then just enter it again. Of course, the rollback option could be blocked on purpose and changing the variable could mess with the game, so save before this change.
English is not my first language, feel free to ask for clarification if needed
man.... what happened to this game?? This was one of my favourite ones( if not the most favourite). I mean, it went from a great experience to a cheap knock-off. It is really very unfortunate. When I earlier commented about not leaking this game until the public release, so that dev can earn some money, a lot of people on this forum were offended. Well, now you have it... enjoy whatever is left of this game...
Deneuve
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Well from their Patreon, if that is the original Patreon, they're making 500 bucks a month.
Patreon (and other sites that do this) takes a big cut, and depending on where they live, that's literally not enough for a job or a living wage.
I just made it to S2 so I can't speak on quality, but that's the problem fucking idiots on this site who endlessly bitch and complain.
Most, if not, 99% of these H-games don't make enough with the work they're doing.
They'll just see that it's making 5000 a month and think that's enough for pay or living expenses, nevermind if they're a team that have to divide that.
Like I look at the quality of S1 and think wow these guys must be getting paid good coz this quality is pretty high for this genre.
Then you look at what they're making and its peanuts.
Then you look at this forum and it's just freeloaders bitching like they're owed the world.
Being a gamedev is hard enough on an official corporate setting and that's you getting an actual contractual pay, but if I was an H-game dev and have to deal with this while making chump change? I'd honestly just load lead and hair trigger on myself with these kinds of comments.
Hasbromate
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- Dec 28, 2017
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I hope you don't mean that the original dev was making less than the new team that took it over...
Been playing since the early in the orig game and I think this S2 is just fine...and if i remember correctly the orig dev didnt quit over money but some harassment from shitty people....keep up the good work new dev I like the updates.
BigCosyStoryFan
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I only started after this patch (by the new devs), and while the model changeover was jarring, and the writing dropped a bit, I'd say it's consistent enough that it's not the huge deal people are making it out to be. I got over the model change fairly quickly (when I worked out who everyone was), and the only gripes I have are either addressed (animations skipping so text made little sense) or are related to being unable to force-enable rollback (rollback is important to have in these kinds of games).
I suspect some of the angst is caused by people having romanticised whatever was coming next, so that even if it was Flynn's original concept/story, they'd be annoyed at any change.
Problem #1 is the expectations devs have with these games. During the pandemic, people were throwing shit tons of money at these games for a couple of years (wouldn't you know it, everyone being told to stay home and avoid other humans led to increased porn consumption. Shocking!) Some of the devs were pulling in huge amounts, and everyone got it into their head that they are entitled to make 6 figures from developing a porn novel on the side.
Despite what they would have you believe, I do not buy for a second that 99% of these devs are legitimately working on these games full time. Nor do they commonly have years of professional education and many years of experience in game development and design. They should not have this expectation that it will be a full income, unless they actually form a studio out of it and have multiple successful games under their belt.
Honestly, there are a lot of indie game devs who would be fucking stoked to hit 500/mo in reliable income from one of their early games. At 1, 2, 3 thousand a month... they would be straight up crying tears of joy. And those are games that have actual gameplay, mechanics, complex code, and take months to years of development effort before a single dollar gets earned.
Porn game creators are just extremely greedy. They expect a massive return quickly, from part-time work with virtually zero up-front investment. Don't forget, to all those people crying about how we are all freeloaders here... guess what the devs are too, they are all using a bunch of pirated shit like Honey Select to make these fuckin games in the first place!
Despite what they would have you believe, I do not buy for a second that 99% of these devs are legitimately working on these games full time. Nor do they commonly have years of professional education and many years of experience in game development and design. They should not have this expectation that it will be a full income, unless they actually form a studio out of it and have multiple successful games under their belt.
Honestly, there are a lot of indie game devs who would be fucking stoked to hit 500/mo in reliable income from one of their early games. At 1, 2, 3 thousand a month... they would be straight up crying tears of joy. And those are games that have actual gameplay, mechanics, complex code, and take months to years of development effort before a single dollar gets earned.
Porn game creators are just extremely greedy. They expect a massive return quickly, from part-time work with virtually zero up-front investment. Don't forget, to all those people crying about how we are all freeloaders here... guess what the devs are too, they are all using a bunch of pirated shit like Honey Select to make these fuckin games in the first place!
It is not that far off to call it a cashgrab. Or at least it would not be illogical. Because with a new project, you would have it harder compared to taking over someone elses work if you want to make money - you already have a world, you have characters and you have potentially backing and it is more likely that people will pledge on Patreon when they did it before under the old Dev.
However, I would not say it is a cashgrab, I think the new Devs really tried to work on something. And I would also agree, if people are unhappy, they should not pay.
However, I feel like the new Devs already dropped the ball and it will be hard to recover from this. I was skeptical anyway, simply because taking over another project is not easy and bringing one Update is easier than bringing multiple Updates, because the longer it continues, the further it goes away from the original vision. And if people are already unhappy about it, this could mean that the project might not be meant to be completed...
Personally, I will probably not play the new stuff and keep the game as abandoned.
Mr Kris
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- Aug 4, 2019
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Just played the update and I only can say... I don't understand why some people are being so dramatic.
I mean, it was obvious that the new devs weren’t going to be able to maintain the same level of quality as Flynn (if I’m not mistaken, the new devs are newbies). I guess maybe a lot of people got too hyped and were expecting the second coming of Flynn or something like that. Maybe that’s why some are now saying: "this is trash, they should’ve just let the game end when the dev abandoned it" :v
I mean, while the renders are generally ok, there are many things I hope the developers fix and polish:
I mean, it was obvious that the new devs weren’t going to be able to maintain the same level of quality as Flynn (if I’m not mistaken, the new devs are newbies). I guess maybe a lot of people got too hyped and were expecting the second coming of Flynn or something like that. Maybe that’s why some are now saying: "this is trash, they should’ve just let the game end when the dev abandoned it" :v
I mean, while the renders are generally ok, there are many things I hope the developers fix and polish:
- My overall impression while playing was that it felt rushed.
- I think there’s a general sense that several scenes are missing renders.
- It might be necessary to add more scenes and dialogues to give context and explanations, for example: why aren’t Yumi and Centoria with them when they meet the crown prince, and instead show up afterward? Or adding more dialogue for the prince before asking him why his guards don’t have weapons… You know… It’s polite to greet first.
- Some transitions feel abrupt and/or strange. Plus, when combined with the lack of renders, it feels off that certain scenes don’t have more transitional renders. For example, a scene of the protagonists arriving at the city, or more in-between scenes during the tournament fights.
- Maybe add more miscellaneous scenes? For example, from what I saw in some script notes, it seems the idea for Illya’s first appearance greeting Centoria was meant to parallel Thorr’s arrival in her city and hers family greeting her. However, as it is now, that scene is pretty forgettable. I would’ve much preferred an animated scene there rather than the animated scene of the elf guard blowing up the training dummy.
- I don’t really know how to explain this point… But to summarize… Improve the characters’ "presence"(? Like I mentioned earlier, there’s no reason given for why Yumi and Centoria aren’t at the audience with the prince, and I didn’t notice until later when some time passed without seeing them. Then, at the start of the tournament, when Illya asks the protagonist and Yumi to participate, I was like "Did the devs mess up and mean Centoria instead of Yumi?" only for Yumi to suddenly pop up as if she "was there the whole time", and I was like, "Wait! She is here after all".
- Also: stop bullying Yumi! She never wins! She’s literally only won once… And that was against Candy >:V
- The facial expressions. Besides the fact that in some scenes a character is speaking with their mouth closed, there are also some facial expressions that look weird (especially with Illya).
- Some scenes are poorly executed. For example, I think they tried to make a meme when the protagonist is asking about the goblins in the palace, but it just came out weird.
- Related to what I mentioned earlier about context and explanations, it would be nice to flesh that out better for character development. For example, with Illya she currently just comes across as extremely friendly, but outside of that we don’t really know much about her—like her motivations or anything deeper.
- Speaking of Illya… Yeah, Illya. I mean, Centoria is supposed to be her copy… And even though they say that she changed her style (like her hair color), I feel like her face doesn’t look very similar at all. In fact, I think her chest size might actually be a bit bigger than Centoria’s.
- And while we’re on that… They should fix the last scene with Illya and Centoria… I mean… Where are our wild ahegaos? And where’s the classic mark that shows up on the girls when the protagonist cums?
Hasbromate
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I think the space has evolved. You can still make bank doing this if your game can cater towards normies instead of niches.
Also I don't agree with throwing shade at developers for trying to pursue a solo endeavor. Games like these for the most part (lower budget) aren't technically intensive to do so the negative scrutiny of adding them to your portfolio is going to out weigh the positive. Making a couple hundred on a game is definitely a milestone most solo developers don't achieve, but there's an expectation to maintain a game versus branching out when you're done. You may have improved and want to develop a new game but it'll destroy your image if you just abandon a game or rush a conclusion, so you can sometimes feel tied down.
Anyways, there's a lot of inconveniences that you aren't giving them enough credit for when they tackle one of these games. No sane person would make these games thinking it's a get rich quick scheme, and those with that mindset don't make it past their 3rd update.
Haggis McMutton
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As already posted by the user above, it was not because of harassment or anything. But, one big part was that the last few Updates leaked very, very early here, which most likely also caused the Dev to lose a good chunk of money. It leaked very quickly for a game of this size/support, games in this kind of support range really need a bit of exclusivity to survive. I think at some point it got leaked like 2 days or so after being released on Patreon... And it is just not Eternum, which gets leaked in minutes and the Dev over there is still doing great, since their backing is large enough.
It is a piracy site after all, so nobody can really be completely mad about it, but it played a huge part in the downfall.
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