VN Ren'Py STWA: Unbroken [Pt. 7] [STWAdev]

[Walter Victor]

I understand that Kana needed to get comfortable with the MC. My problem is that she'd clearly passed that hurdle by the time she asked him for training; at that point she knew full well the MC wasn't the way he was described in the tabloids (though the amorphous nature of the MC is its own problem), yet she still had no immediate interest in boning him. I took that as an indication that she just wasn't interested in "no strings attached" sex and thus wanted to wait and see how things played out.

In the end, however, she abruptly reversed course and all but begged the MC for no strings attached sex as soon as he buys her that cat - and even with the added backstory from Part 6, that still makes no sense to me. Worse, we can't ask her about it in game; the two agree to revisit the issue later if you accept the offer, but the fundamental question of why Kana changed her mind so suddenly and what she wants out of a relationship is studiously avoided no matter what you pick.

Lastly, you say you can keep things friendly with Kana, but I don't think that's true in a practical sense. I had played the MC's interest as non-sexual as I could up to that point (without outright snubbing her), and yet in the event it still felt like I'd have been leading her on if I turned her down. Again, because when the moment arrived I had no idea what the hell was going on in her mind and no ability to clarify the situation.

Spoiler: You and me both, Kana

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I understand this was intended to be a fun subversion - where Kana doesn't wait nearly as long as we expected. Unfortunately, it was a very badly executed subversion because her actions leading up to the twist don't seem to match her later motivations which meant my own actions apparently didn't mean what I thought they meant, either.

IMHO, of course.

All I will say about this is, just because you misread what was happening doesn't necessarily mean that it was "badly executed".

 

[RoryTate]

Bruh, I swear, as a man myself, I'll never understand the masculine need to look down on promiscuous women, reprimand or bash them for liking casual, no-strings-attached sexual relationships (

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) or hookups, instead of taking advantage of this 'modern woman' mentality and filling that conquest list till they don't have any more space left to write new names on. I never will, for real now.

To each their own, but there is a reasonable explanation for why men largely prefer women with low body counts. At the group level, both sexes are attracted to features in each other that indicate a good chance at reproductive success. For men this can be things like wide hips (for child birthing), while for women it can be things like access to cultural resources (which improve offspring's status). Meanwhile both are attracted to symmetrical features (signals good genetics/health). However, for men (once again, this is at the group level...I repeat, at the group level), there is a special consideration that does not exist for women, namely parental assurance. If being attracted to external indicators of low body count gives men even a small 1% better chance at having their genes move forward into the future, because they are more likely to be the fathers of those children, it means that the vast majority of men after a couple hundred generations (and the human race has been around for a lot longer than that) would be the products of those men's genes. That's just how evolution and statistics work.

So I understand why many players of this game are instinctively attracted to Vi and Amrit, since those two characters naturally display strong indicators of innocence and inexperience. Such men don't consciously decide who and what they like in the opposite sex, any more than their cavemen ancestors who didn't even have language do. And the most important point here is that not being attracted to someone isn't "bashing" or "looking down" on them. It's just being uninterested in them. And to that end, no woman deserves a man's attention, no matter how much some might try to gaslight you into believing otherwise (though truth be told, gaslighting is the nicest response I've gotten to turning a women down, but that's drifting too far off topic for this forum thread).

 

[Krytax123]

Bruh, I swear, as a man myself, I'll never understand the masculine need to look down on promiscuous women, reprimand or bash them for liking casual, no-strings-attached sexual relationships (

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) or hookups, instead of taking advantage of this 'modern woman' mentality and filling that conquest list till they don't have any more space left to write new names on. I never will, for real now.

I understand a guy not liking promiscuity, for whatever reasons, and I completely understand and agree with them not wanting to marry a promiscuous woman, for obvious reasons, but ffs, not even wanting something casual with one or more and avoiding them like the plague is simply ridiculous. As long as both parties involved are tested for STDs and STIs and use protection or birth control, I see no problem whatsoever with enjoying life as a young or older person and wanting to have some fun too after all the hard work and stress at work.

Yeah this is just weird, these are usually really fun girls and you can have a great time with them. And you arent forced to marry them lol but if they commit, they at least had their experiences already and dont somehow realise with 35 that they lacked experience in their youth and want to make up for it.

I think 90% of the guys with such a mindset (in reality, not nessecarily as youre favorite AVN LI's) are just insecure little bitches who dont get any pussy. So the girls having sex with other guys but not with them can obviously only be worthless whores lmao.

How do you even know if the girl is promiscuous? Neither me nor any of my friends ever asked a girl about her bodycount when fooling around lol, who does something like that? And pretty girls get attention alllll the fucking time but somehow these guys expect them to decline all advances because they should wait for them

To each their own, but there is a reasonable explanation for why men largely prefer women with low body counts. At the group level, both sexes are attracted to features in each other that indicate a good chance at reproductive success. For men this can be things like wide hips (for child birthing), while for women it can be things like access to cultural resources (which improve offspring's status). Meanwhile both are attracted to symmetrical features (signals good genetics/health). However, for men (once again, this is at the group level...I repeat, at the group level), there is a special consideration that does not exist for women, namely parental assurance. If being attracted to external indicators of low body count gives men even a small 1% better chance at having their genes move forward into the future, because they are more likely to be the fathers of those children, it means that the vast majority of men after a couple hundred generations (and the human race has been around for a lot longer than that) would be the products of those men's genes. That's just how evolution and statistics work.

So I understand why many players of this game are instinctively attracted to Vi and Amrit, since those two characters naturally display strong indicators of innocence and inexperience. Such men don't consciously decide who and what they like in the opposite sex, any more than their cavemen ancestors who didn't even have language do. And the most important point here is that not being attracted to someone isn't "bashing" or "looking down" on them. It's just being uninterested in them. And to that end, no woman deserves a man's attention, no matter how much some might try to gaslight you into believing otherwise (though truth be told, gaslighting is the nicest response I've gotten to turning a women down, but that's drifting too far off topic for this forum thread).

Dude this is bullshit, kitchen psychology, are you from 200 years ago? Some of your points have a little bit of truth but its not like you consider to marry every women you have sex with. You could even turn your theory around, these girls have low(er) bodycounts because of less interrest of attractive guys in them, which could indicate that they are less fit to "give birth/attract males" or whatever you consider so utmost important.

And the discussion wasnt about "being not attracted to them" which is obivously fine, you can be attracted to whoever you want, its about looking down on girls who enjoy to have a lot of sex which just sucks and is insecure incel behavior.

But im pretty sure all of these guys would go along with fooling around with a girl like that if shes sexy and fun anyway when they are single, they usually just doesnt get the chance.

And its pretty obvious that having lots of sex and doing it for pleasure, doesnt reduce your chances of childbirth if thats what you want to reduce the discussion about lmao, a woman with a high libido could be helpful if you need a lot of offspring so badly.

 

[ename144]

All I will say about this is, just because you misread what was happening doesn't necessarily mean that it was "badly executed".

Perhaps not, and of course I can only state my own take on things. Still, that scene made me seriously debate whether to continue playing the game despite Kana still being my favorite LI (narrowly edging out Elspeth). In my opinion, that's a strong indication something went seriously awry.

 

[Ilhares]

Famous last words.

Some goals are worth dying for! I don't mind if she becomes an absolute freak behind closed doors, that's perfectly OK, but look at those genetics. She's beautiful, and I usually prefer the off-white options. At worst, I expect her past to include fooling around with a few other girls at school, as Vi's commentary made it pretty clear she'd had no male conquests as yet. She's definitely awkward with her flirting/seduction attempts.

 

[RoryTate]

And its pretty obvious that having lots of sex and doing it for pleasure, doesnt reduce your chances of childbirth if thats what you want to reduce the discussion about lmao, a women with a high libido could be helpful if you need a lot of offspring so badly.

You must have misunderstood my point about paternity assurance. The issue I am raising is that a significant number of children are not the biological offspring of their fathers in such cases. In short: maternity is guaranteed, while paternity is not. Any innate preference in men that is able to give better odds that their mate's offspring are theirs – i.e. by being attracted to younger and more innocent appearances in adult women – is going to have a significant effect moving forward in terms of human reproduction and the genetic makeup of the human race as it exists today.

And I don't make any moral claims about this attraction being right, wrong, natural, unnatural, or otherwise. This is simply the observed state of human sexual desire and reproduction at the level of populations and lineages, along with a reasonable explanation for such observations (this "attraction to chastity and sexual fidelity" is a long-standing hypothesis that has already made several novel predictions that have been borne out by experiments...for example, this preference was found even in the unlikely situation of men's choice of prostitutes in Indonesia from data analyzed back in the early 2000's). So...yeah. Of course individual variation in human sexual desire exists, which is why I make such a big deal about noting that the discussions I am attempting apply only at the group level.

If there is good evidence that suggests otherwise, then please share it briefly (this is already straying beyond the thread's topical boundaries, and other people should be able to discuss aspects of this VN and the upcoming update without a lengthy side debate making it harder for them to do so). I promise I'll be more than happy to look into it at a future date. I've always had a strong academic interest in human sexuality, like categorizing the primary and secondary sexual characteristics that develop when our bodies mature into adults, all the way to the intriguing ways that scent and "disgust sensitivity" can affect human mate selection. Sex is a very exciting and stimulating subject, and there's still a lot left to be explored and understood about ourselves and our desires.

...insecure incel behavior.

*Sigh* You probably don't realize it, but you're the flip side of those you think you are fighting against. Replace "incel behaviour" with "whorish behaviour", and you sound just like them. Indeed, both of these slurs resort to using ad hominem fallacies about a person's supposed sexual desirability in an attempt to undermine their position. Though, unlike how a smear of "whore" is immediately called out for the ignorant attack that it is, being called an "incel" is allowed and even encouraged, so much so that it's just a day ending in "y" for people online by this point. So...it's unfortunate you've chosen to perceive me in that manner, I guess?

 

[xXwankerXx]

I don't mind if she becomes and absolute freak behind closed doors, that's perfectly OK, but look at those genetics. She's beautiful, and I usually prefer the off-white options.

Can't argue with that, you make a solid argument. Physical beauty, femininity and good genetics always win. Just imagine how sweet her dirty talk sounds like in French when the MC's doing his thing making her cum again and again.

I sincerely hope we'll get some more progress with Ines in this update and maybe even fuck her, cuz she looks like she's curious enough to do a lot of 'exploring' with the MC to see what she's missed out on so far.

She's definitely awkward with her flirting/seduction attempts.

But sweet and pretty funny too. Maybe we're lucky enough to get a throuple ending or at least a 3some with her and V, and if we don't, she's still a pretty good female character worth romancing and settling down with.

You must have misunderstood my point about paternity assurance. The issue I am raising is that a significant number of children are not the biological offspring of their fathers in such cases. In short: maternity is guaranteed, while paternity is not.

You make a good point there with which I mostly agree, man, BUT nobody said men should drop normal women with low body counts and/or traditional values to marry whores and sluts. We just said that some men take all the slut-shaming to ridiculous new heights just cuz they probably can't score even a whore like the one they shame lol. Don't know how all the harmless, responsible fun, after taking the necessary precautions like STD tests, birth control, mutual consent and all that shit equates to what you said there, but whatever.

About the paternity part of the quote, I'd argue that anyone who's in doubt about it better get a DNA test ASAP to make sure he is the biological father of that kid than to find out after years that he's not and raised another guy's kid all that time (see

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,

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and

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for more information), and if he isn't the dad, he should immediately divorce the cheating bitch or break up with her and move on with his life. Can't do anything about it except this, and constantly being afraid of being cheated on by your woman and risking raising another guy's kids doesn't do much helping either, so it ain't worth stressing yourself too much about it and just enjoy life to the fullest. My two cents on this topic.

 

[RoryTate]

About the paternity part of the quote, I'd argue that anyone who's in doubt about it better get a DNA test ASAP...

I know, it sounds so simple, right? But in practice, that level of certainty is not available to the majority of the world's male population (either in present day, or in the past). Commercial DNA tests are only a decade or so old. And even now, not everyone has access to them (they are only available in wealthy countries), nor can everyone in those specific parts of the world afford them. Also, there is intense social stigma against suspecting your spouse of infidelity. And there are countries (such as France) in which DNA tests to check for paternity fraud are strictly against the law (only a judge can order one to be performed).

So the reality for the majority of people in the real world is much different than your simplistic advice suggests.

We just said that some men take all the slut-shaming to ridiculous new heights... (Note: Emphasis mine)

Sounds reasonable. Though I do find it strange when people seem to focus so much on just a few bad apples in a massively large orchard. That huge stretch of healthy trees and fruits should be much more widely discussed, don't you think? And I do note that your initial words painted with a fairly broad brush, and I quote (again, emphasis mine): "Bruh, I swear, as a man myself, I'll never understand the masculine need to look down on promiscuous women...". There's a pretty big difference between highlighting "some men" versus describing a widespread "masculine need" to act in such an immature manner, and stereotypes are something I think it is always important to challenge. Wouldn't want anyone falling into the hateful "One Good Man" syndrome, now would we?

Don't know how all the harmless, responsible fun, after taking the necessary precautions like STD tests, birth control, mutual consent and all that shit equates to what you said there, but whatever.

I was responding to someone else claiming that I was incorrect in stating that certain aspects of male sexual desire are driven by the need for reproductive success. So I presented some evidence in support of that. That's how things drifted off topic into that more academic discussion. Even I have to admit though that Sexology can be a bit dry at times despite its wealth of taboo subject matter.

 

[Ragnar]

About the paternity part of the quote, I'd argue that anyone who's in doubt about it better get a DNA test ASAP to make sure he is the biological father of that kid

Yeah, that's forbidden in France

 

[maroek]

Yeah, that's forbidden in France

Why am I not surprised by that

 

[cxx]

Why am I not surprised by that

frenchies are weird.


here 1 dad finally got court to declare that he isn't baby's (now teenager) father (after years of fighting) since after he heard that he isn't bio-dad (it was ex-wife's new hubby) he was too shocked to deny his paternity inside time limit (and after divorce ex-wife was against his appeal (totally big surprise (NOT)).

 

[Joncik_Ko]

I finished today The Author. Is this one similiar to the Author? Plot, interestng characters?

 

[cxx]

I finished today The Author. Is this one similiar to the Author? Plot, interestng characters?

well sorta similar but still different type, chars are interesting and i think we have still few things to find out on girls. plot is quite interesting (far from oscar movie).

 

[ElectronicRoberts]

Discord Sneak Peek

 

[Blueray]

Why is there no part 7 in this year YET?

 

[cxx]

Why is there no part 7 in this year YET?

and why should it be?

 

[DarkKiller]

Discord Sneak Peek
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So, still nowhere near release? Lmao

 

[Joratox]

So, still nowhere near release? Lmao

As Ava asked earlier...

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[Matt2012021]

Love Elspeth but how about the dev focus on getting a update out instead of preview pictures

 

[Cameo]

Love Elspeth but how about the dev focus on getting a update out instead of preview pictures

because uploading one in-game render to the Discord totally distracts developer