VN Ren'Py STWA: Unbroken [Pt. 7] [STWAdev]

cxx · Jun 25, 2024

Mr. Muscles said:
Yeah, idk, that "when it actually happens" is exactly where I was stuck at.

The mini-drama between El and Vi is so good, ngl. I'll choose El for my canon playthrough anyway, but I didn't know if I could keep the conflict between the two going after this episode, it felt like the dead-end had just arrived.

if girls want to fight then it's easy to arrange since mc has ring in his house where those 2 can hit and kick each other as much they want.

mc would bring popcorns for rest.

Dr.TSoni · Jun 25, 2024

cxx said:
if girls want to fight then it's easy to arrange since mc has ring in his house where those 2 can hit and kick each other as much they want.

A woman with military training against a girl with trauma from aggression.....
Doesn't seem like a fair fight

cxx · Jun 25, 2024

Dr.TSoni said:
A woman with military training against a girl with trauma from aggression.....
Doesn't seem like a fair fight

don't underestimate other. mc teaches her basics.

Dr.TSoni · Jun 25, 2024

We could let Vi choose a champion, like Amrit

Krytax123 · Jun 25, 2024

RoryTate said:
As someone who considers my "Elspeth Exclusive" playthrough to be game canon, I agree with your assessment 100%. As Ines said about Elspeth: "She's final boss status.", and she's more than enough for any man to consider himself the luckiest guy alive. Though I'm still strangely hopeful my carefully crafted "Elspeth + Kana" alternate set of saves will lead to a wild and unexpected ending, as crazy as that sounds.

Concerning the conversation quoted by DarkKiller though, I initially read it as a possible subtle warning from Els. Sort of a: "Go ahead and sleep around, but be prepared for some consequences if you do" kind of intimation. Since then I've thought differently for the most part about her words, even though Els has been known to play verbal games for many different reasons. In the end, she definitely doesn't feel like high maintenance or prone to fits of jealousy (two of the biggest turn-offs in any woman ngl), so her words can safely be taken at face value I think. She's just that open and easy-going about things. Besides, I doubt the dev would lock players out of her ending when she's such a popular love interest. It would be frustrating for people to have to play through the entire game again just because of some previous dalliance.

I disagree, imo these avn's are about consequences. Its the one thing makeing the big college avn this successful, the characters feel real and immersive because of their different reactions and consqeuences towards the MC's behavior.

Els not being concerned/pissed/whatever at all after she realises valentine fucked Vi too on their trip is just bad writing if it would happen like that. Its kinda lazy and the only intetion is to get rid of branching and therefore consqeuences. Otherwise these Girls are just cardboards ready to go along with anything these different versions of valentine do .. which just sucks as characterization

Imo it wouldnt be only illogical, it would damange Els character too (some for other girls to a degree, i can see it with some like Amrit but yeah..)

I really disliked how it was manager in the Author, feel way too much like a 12year olds fantasy with none of the girls haveing any troubles/jealousy or whatever with it.

maroek · Jun 25, 2024

Ooooh, we're talking about cat fights. Let's see...

Els is huge, compared to other girls. She also has a background in every type of combat.
Amrit is petite, yet pound for pound the best fightter.
Vi was taught by the MC and her brother in early childhood, and she picks up quick. Yet, apart from her breasts, she's tiny and at best a talented amateur.
Kana is just an American wrestling girl, and shown how showy and useless her skills are in a real hand to hand combat.
Ines has no interest in fighting, apart from watching.
Serena would sue anyone who lays a hand on her, but that's it.

So the finalists would be Els and Amrit. And that would be one hell of a fight to watch. A nimble pro vs a giant fringe-pro. That can go in any direction.

And this is only if the fight was clean. Els would destroy every single woman if she decides to fight dirty.

RoryTate · Jun 25, 2024

Krytax123 said:
I disagree, imo these avn's are about consequences. Its the one thing makeing the big college avn this successful, the characters feel real and immersive because of their different reactions and consqeuences towards the MC's behavior.

This is the old "realism vs escapism" argument in art/entertainment. And the interesting thing here is that no one who defends the escapism position (like myself) has ever wanted zero realism in a game (although many on the other side do lobby for zero escapism unfortunately). From realistic and believable characters to realistic mechanics, I – and many others who enjoy escapism in our stories – always appreciate the time and effort taken to make something feel authentic. However, there is a point at which "too much" realism ruins the enjoyment of fiction. Because if a story or game offers nothing different than what we experience in our day-to-day lives, then there is no reason to engage with it.

The best stories are able to find a good balance between the two ideals. They have a reasonable amount of realism, but provide a comfortable escapist framework that minimizes frustrating consequences or limitations that people often wish weren't present in the real world. I think STWA: The Unbroken is pretty much a perfect mix of the two. For example, most people aren't nearly as tall as Valentine (I think he stands close to 2 meters tall, which is something that not even a very tall man like myself – standing at 191 cm – can claim), and it is enjoyable for many to imagine themselves without that limitation of having a set height for a brief period of time in their lives.

Krytax123 said:
I really disliked how it was manager in the Author, feel way too much like a 12year olds fantasy with none of the girls haveing any troubles/jealousy or whatever with it.

I can't speak to whatever general problems you had with other VNs, but given that Els and the MC aren't dating and aren't exclusive at this point in the story – which is the subject of discussion at the moment – it shouldn't be a "fantasy" to expect that she is adult enough to deal with any feelings of jealousy or dislike she might experience when the MC takes her at her word regarding their non-exclusive status. Once the two become involved in a more serious relationship, then yes, of course she has every right to expect him to be faithful to her (and the same in return from the MC). And while you may choose to characterize this type of fiction with the pejorative of "a 12-year-old's fantasy", the reality is that this is many adult men's fantasy, because – and I'm going to put this fairly bluntly – there is absolutely nothing childish, problematic, gross, harmful or wrong with enjoying imagined situations in a fictional story that can't or are unlikely to occur within our limited timespans upon this Earth. /end rant

Ragnar · Jun 25, 2024

It's out.

annal · Jun 25, 2024

Need a Hero !

Krytax123 · Jun 25, 2024

RoryTate said:
This is the old "realism vs escapism" argument in art/entertainment. And the interesting thing here is that no one who defends the escapism position (like myself) has ever wanted zero realism in a game (although many on the other side do lobby for zero escapism unfortunately). From realistic and believable characters to realistic mechanics, I – and many others who enjoy escapism in our stories – always appreciate the time and effort taken to make something feel authentic. However, there is a point at which "too much" realism ruins the enjoyment of fiction. Because if a story or game offers nothing different than what we experience in our day-to-day lives, then there is no reason to engage with it.

The best stories are able to find a good balance between the two ideals. They have a reasonable amount of realism, but provide a comfortable escapist framework that minimizes frustrating consequences or limitations that people often wish weren't present in the real world. I think STWA: The Unbroken is pretty much a perfect mix of the two. For example, most people aren't nearly as tall as Valentine (I think he stands close to 2 meters tall, which is something that not even a very tall man like myself – standing at 191 cm – can claim), and it is enjoyable for many to imagine themselves without that limitation of having a set height for a brief period of time in their lives.

You really dont have to write a research paper about simple topics like that (if you enjoy it fine).

Im obviously not for "zero escapism" as (as you explained yourself) im fine with the mc being a gary sue player who's handsome, rich and a chill, cool guy. So i really dont see the point about all the people advocating for zero, every avn has escapism do a degree and everyone is fine with it.

But this is an AVN where the main aspect is the relationship building (with additinional mma) so its kinda important to potray this aspect somewhat believeable.

For you its apparently wholesome or whatever when a LI doesnt mind the mc fucking other girls all the time, for me its damaging (or even destroying) the character of said LI.

If you arent hurt/jealous/pissed/whatever when the person you crush on fucks other people .. how is anyone even supposed to believe there are feelings in the first place at all involved?

And im not nessecarily saying that Els (in this example) should "break up" (i know they arent really a couple yet) about it with valentine but there should be at least consequences even if its just a talk/discussion or whatever about it.

Otherwise all these girl are just dumb wish fullfilment bots and feel like that. And we already have harem avn's for that itch (collecting girls like pokeballs).

RoryTate said:
And while you may choose to characterize this type of fiction with the pejorative of "a 12-year-old's fantasy", the reality is that this is many adult men's fantasy, because – and I'm going to put this fairly bluntly – there is absolutely nothing childish, problematic, gross, harmful or wrong with enjoying imagined situations in a fictional story that can't or are unlikely to occur within our limited timespans upon this Earth. /end rant

Depends obviously at the fantasy but even if youre right it usually still makes storys very boring whichs seems to be your thing.

cxx · Jun 25, 2024

annal said:
Need a Hero !

it will be here this week.

Deleted member 7099329 · Jun 25, 2024

Now we wait

Driver22 · Jun 25, 2024

Can we just post a link in the comments if we have it?

Deleted member 7099329 · Jun 25, 2024

Driver22 said:
Can we just post a link in the comments if we have it?

Yes

Driver22 · Jun 25, 2024

Ah well I need a few more posts first.

Driver22 · Jun 25, 2024

And one more.

Driver22 · Jun 25, 2024

There we go.