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They mentioned on Kickstarter today they'll have a more comprehensive post on their plans going forward soon. So just a matter of time.
Unreal Engine Subverse [v0.9] [Studio Fow]
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The description of the ban goes far beyond being "political correct"...
I bought into many early access games over the years, beta tested mmo's etc. Even engaged in conversation with devs in games I where passionate about. If you want to get anywhere, you need to offer constructive criticism, and be polite. Or at least don't act like a jackass. No one will take you serious then.
That's not a good comparison. Most people would draw the line at living creatures.
People don't care if their wives use toys to pleasure themselves; however 99% would NOT be okay with their wives fucking the family dog, even if we assume "mutual consent" took place.
Same thing in this game. No one would give a fuck if the women used vibrators or toys to pleasure themselves.
The second you introduce animals and other sapient things in there, obviously people are going to get upset. As long as your lover is fucking something that's not you, there's jealousy involved and people will scream NTR.
Studio FOW fucked up here by not making this optional. You advertise this game as "waifu-harem collection," obviously you're going to have Steam casuals self-inserting, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MEDIUM. You don't think people are self-inserting when they read Harry Potter? They definitely do; I know my nephew loved to imagine himself as Harry Potter and painted a scar on his forehead.
That's why people always bitch about VNs with asshole protags; no one wants to relate to or control such a character.
Just hide the problematic dialogue/scenes under optional setting. The vanilla-lovers and monster-fetishers can go on their merry way, everyone's happy, case closed. (Ignoring the fact that the sex absolutely sucks for a porn game. Sex with no buildup or dialogue is so disappointing.)
They did the worst possible solution by putting all sex scenes under Pandora, yet still leaving the hints of "NTR" in the story. Like WTF so uninspired.
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People should be able to see the difference between like the family dog and some out of this world xeno beasts though. Its fiction and fantasy. I see this nothing worse than tentacle stuff. Been a while seen I saw someone express they suffered ntr from tentacles...
You have some buildup though to the first "recruitment" scene. In the simple terms of "you do this for me and I let you screw my holes"...
Also there is many options that could become available in the bar when dating the girls. How that end up we can't say for certain now, we just have to wait and see. Also the pandora isn't that terrible in regard of lewd stuff in the long term. If they just tied sex scenes into dialogues and interactions/scenes, it could be very hard for them to inject new sex scenes later, while in Pandora they can just keep pile on a whole clusterfuck of sex scenes without have to worry about such.
The keys were issued much earlier. You could add the game to your library months ago.
Dammit, that's 100% right, ma dude! I'm really glad to see comments like this here and on the official SFOW's discord. I'm glad that there's many people who feel and think this way. My only hope is that SFOW would really freakin listen to us and not take their success on steam along with positive reviews there (many of which are just silly jokes like "hehe I got a blowjob from a robot in this game lol, 10/10") as a solid reason to keep treating their game as they did with v0.1. Because their v0.1 is a way too questionable product in comparison to what they promised and how they advertised it. They need to freakin listen and re-work/change some crappy parts. Otherwise this project would be a big disappointment which is very sad to me because I like this game and I goddamn love those waifus
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Judging from their other works, I expected at the very least light NTR from the very beginning.
Surely no one would think a studio that does nothing but extremely hardcore sex scenes would shy away from hitting as many mainstream hardcore fetishes as possible right?
Surely no one would think a studio that does nothing but extremely hardcore sex scenes would shy away from hitting as many mainstream hardcore fetishes as possible right?
Yes, it's fictional. People cried while watching Spirited Away, and that's also fiction.
You can't rationalize this stuff; viewers will always self-insert and sympathize with fictional characters.
You're right people don't cry about tentacle hentai. But that's because works with tentacles are heavily advertised as such. Every doujin with tentacles will have them front and center, so people know what to expect. If you have a vanilla romcom work then suddenly it ended with tentacle rape on your love interest, 100% sure there will be endless bitching in the comments.
The problem is Studio FOW advertised their game as "waifu collector." Some peeps enjoy seeing their waifus defiled, others are more protective. But the existence of complaints meant that some people surely felt misled about what's in the game.
I'm not surprised there's tentacle/beastiality crap (since it's Studio FOW), but not every casual on Steam would know this. They see waifu collector porn game and go "Oh neat, time to romance some waifus." Then the waifu they're chasing mentions how last night was so awesome with a certain eldritch abomination and yeah, cue them saying "fuck this cuckold shit."
I don't actually care for quantity of scenes... I just want them well-integrated into the story for more sensuality and character-developing. Character randomly being anal-drilled on a table means nothing without proper context. Subverse can have five scenes total for every character and I wouldn't care, so long as they have leadup and are FAPPABLE.
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There certainly is a loud bunch (minority?) of people that keep moaning about it. And why does it always feel like it's the Anti-NTR crowd that needs to exaggerate like this? Maybe that's just selective perception on my part but I'm not even a fan of NTR. And if you just look around on this site there's lots of game with darker themes that are very popular. Different strokes for different folks. This is all just fantasy after all. Just look at the trainer genre. It basically always has and needs an asshole protagonist.
Well that would/could be one of the advantages of the whole Pandora thing. Having the Xeno stuff neatly separated. Although the concept art posted earlier in the thread was better in that regard.
What NTR is there even in the story? Isn't that only Lily? Maybe I can't remember some details, the writing/story got fairly boring for me so I might not have paid attention to everything. And for Lily that's like her whole shtick as Xeno-researcher/geneticist. You could just ignore her devotion quests. She's one of how many others?
While I certainly stick to my review (some words might have been a bit harsh) I still hope they either manage to make something I can enjoy in the end or have success despite of that. I don't understand the people that want this to crash and burn. There's a lot of eyes on this because of how successful the kickstarter was. The outcome will affect many others in the adult game space. This can pave the way for many others and ultimately result in more of what you want even if Subverse isn't. If this has a lot of people searching for other adult games on steam and getting traffic to games like CoBD or Love of Magic that alone would make it worth it for me.
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I cam here for my daily dose of drama and people are still talking about NTR.
Common we want BRAND NEW drama.
Be Original !
Common we want BRAND NEW drama.
Be Original !
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For a game that i spent $26 , this is pretty meh . But its early access so cant really rate that much, but my first impression towards this is really bad .
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If you thought it couldn't get any worse - think again.
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And? Yes, cryptocurrency is now in a trend, as well as blockchain technology in general. Even Microsoft touch this with stick. I see nothing wrong with it.
EXPLAIN!!!! MY INGLISH KNOV NOT!!! MY ANDERSTAND NOT!!!!!!
The problem with "waifu" is that there are different meanings. The intended one here I'm pretty sure is "X is my waifu" which is something also said about characters in anime with no sex, romance, or even any male protagonist/character at all. At least for the Kickstarter, I think it should have been clear what the intended meaning was, considering the stretch goal for xenos for the waifus to get fucked by. If that doesn't scream "this is not a pure love story with pure waifus" I don't know what does.
But people thought it was, anyway, and here we are. Light references to debauchery, but no integration with the story or even sidequests. I don't think the story part is fixable without a massive rework which I hope they won't go for, because that would take too much time and burn too much money. What they could do, however, is integrate the sex with sidequests. Then ask the player at the very beginning what kind of content they want to see, and whatever was not selected, you never get to see the sidequest or any scene of that kind in pandora. Considering there are already the recruitment scenes which are directly tied in with the VN part with no loading screen, it's not like they'd have to do a fundamental rework on the technical level to get that working. Additional script writing and VA work, yes, but that doesn't seem like a massive undertaking.
It's just too bad that due to trying to thread the needle, they can't fully go in either direction for story integration. No whoring out the girls on a senator's party to get him and the guests on the captain's side and such. Could have nicely tied that into the story, and later have a scene where one of the girls gives the captain a blowjob while he watches the video of the party. Could even have made the camera tiltable in the vertical direction for that one to switch between looking at the screen and looking at the girl. The dialogue you could add to that... yeah. If the opposite is your jam, the same applies in that direction, although I guess you'll get the devotion quests. I guess their plan was to add so many individual scenes that it would satisfy most players even if there was no story integration or any context at all for most of them. I hope they don't stick to that plan, at least not entirely.
And yet Steam DB bases "copies sold" on rating/playercount numbers. And those numbers are always wrong for prerelease early access because when you've presold/backed a project as you get far higher community engagement than your typical game.
Subverse doesn't index in steams own search, is only viewable if you've allowed AO titles to show in your settings, has no on platform marketing unless you've already viewed it or bookmarked on steam. Outstanding copies presold is ~60,000. Thats our only hard number. 1 in 10 reviewing instead of 1 in 40? Yeah pretty likely. View the timeline objectively. Vast majority of reviews on steam of the game happened first day, first hours. Follows it's all preorder backers, considering so many ratings came down before the ~4 hours it takes to finish the game even had lapsed. It slowed to a trickle and has teetered lower and lower ever since.
For "next week" Subverse isn't going to be on the board, much less no2 in "estimated" sales. The algorithms are already starting to even out the longer data is being collated; only number in the realm of potential accuracy for total purchasers was day1 "active playerbase" which was close to the actual "active playerbase" we know exists via backers.
This is why unlike steamDB, steamcharts doesn't track early access games at all. It knows it cannot give accurate metrics.
FOW sure isn't acting like they just made a windfall with the official "we'll do better" statements, damage control, anticonsumer moderating, and internet defense force.
Shouldn't affect the placement on the Steam top seller list unless Valve made some really dumb decisions. That's a very real possibility, but absent evidence, I don't think that's the case. I doubt they got the 380.000 that SteamDB shows on the high end, and it's hard to say how many copies that placement on the top seller list translates to, but I think it was a significant amount, at least. I do know a lot of people had it wishlisted because they'd missed the Kickstarter campaign. And to the rest of your points, neither all backers nor all buyers play the game the moment it's released.
If you act like an asshole, expect to be treated like one. There are threads open on the steam forum that are very critical of the game. Including one that says the porn in the game sucks compared to most everything else, including short animations you can find on a random porn site. What does get a thread closed is it devolving to the "I hate NTR, fucking cucks" "no fuck you" "no fuck you" shit you can see in this thread.
Did you notice they're opening a distribution platform of their own? I think that implies they have more plans than "squeeze all the money we can out of this, take it and run." Advertising a porn platform is hard unless you either have a lot of money or can rely on word of mouth. They don't have the money, and they need the game to be good to get free advertising from fans. Makes sense they'd listen to the feedback. What they'll do with it remains to be seen.
Steam top sellers is curated to your account, interests, settings, and search metric. And yeah, going into early access and having 60,000 presales is how it works. Preorders count as sales. Community engagement counts as interest. They went into this with a floor. The "top 2 slot" though is specifically referencing steamDB's weekly chart which is based off the statistical model that 6000 reviews means half a million sales and FOW making like 12 million dollars gross in an afternoon, which simply hasn't happened. They early accessed it for a cash injection, which very well could have happened to save the game and get something released, but most likely that is going to be 3 more "6 chapter" builds coming out to a disappointing 12 hour long videogame made up of 5 hours of repetitive assetstore shmup and 7 hours of talking.
As to "they're only censoring meanieheads" just wew. Losing to the Streisand effect, not being able to stem the tide, and *now* allowing open criticism does not erase their past response.
It is not usual, but extremely pleasant to see a post with a well and honestly stated idea and a text that is pleasant to read.
I also prefer Vanilla. And for most people, this is acceptable and preferable. And it is obvious that for commercial success, you need to look for a larger audience.
As I understand it, the author of the post is the developer of the Champion of Rilms? Good game.
I would also like to clarify something: why do people so often use the term Fetish? Wouldn't it be more accurate to use words like Perversion, etc.
When someone likes a certain part of the body, for example, Breasts or Feet, or, say, turns on a particular piece of clothing like Stockings or Latex, this is a fetish. But to call this word such things as necrophilia, bestiality, etc. is clearly not true.
Although English is not my native language, is it possible that our concepts are so different?
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A truly abhorrent display of fake news.
The wikipedia article clearly states:
" A fetish (derived from the
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fétiche; which comes from the
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feitiço; and this in turn from
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facticium, "artificial" and facere, "to make") is an object believed to have
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powers, or in particular, a human-made object that has power over others. Essentially, fetishism is the attribution of inherent value, or powers, to an object. "