Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.0] [Studio Fow]

[Deleted member 324588]

i just wish they were faster! im not gnna have this few responsibilities forever

Well they mentioned hiring more folks recently, but ya know in work ya gotta train the newbies so they're up to speed on what they're doing. Once they're back in full swing, I'd be hopeful for updates to come sooner

 

[Deleted member 324588]

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TL;DR for the ones that hate reading:

Ela's questline will have sex integrated into the story, along with 13 more cinematic scenes.

Hydra nebula next to unlock, with over 100 anomalies (assuming this be planets, stations, etc) to see

New enemy faction the Kloi

50+ Pandora scenes coming , including Futa content (System itself will be 'evolving' after the Ela update)

Gallery getting hotfixed soon.

 

[Cpt.SumTingWong]

Nice Mantic c..., can't wait for more pandora mantic scenes in the next update

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[forsited]

I downloaded the latest version, how do I access the Gallery though?

 

[Joshua Tree]

I downloaded the latest version, how do I access the Gallery though?

In the bar...

 

[Synnerai]

Hello! As one of the pioneers using Honey Select to create derivative games, I was always kind of fascinated by this subject and when I found out that Subverse could be using assets from Illusion, I decided to do a little research.

As for UV-Maps, if what the Russian user posted is true (on the first pages of this topic), then unfortunately they are the same UV-Maps. The fact that they added more vertices does not mean much. There are mods for hi-res bodies in Honey Select that use the same UV-Map as the original bodies, but with more vertices added.

The position of the vagina is also not so important. Honey Select mods often use another part of the UV Map for the vagina (just like the Subverse guys apparently did).

About the hands, I also went to look more closely. The first evidence is an alleged image showing the hands of both games having exactly the same geometry. However, this can be easily forged. What cannot be forged, however, is the end result and I am 99.9% sure that Subverse models use the same hand as Honey Select. This does not prove that the Subverse guys stole the model, however. They may simply have used the same asset library as Illusion or something.

What makes me a little incredulous in this whole story is that to export the Honey Select models and use them in a 3D program you just need to follow a 15 minute tutorial on Youtube. The modder community has already done all the heavy work so Honey Select is currently the laziest option possible, the thing you choose if you have 0 dollars and need a model ready in less than two days. This is very strange because Subverse is a $2 million game that took years to be made. I don't believe they would choose such a lazy option when they can pay, let's say, $500 on high-quality base models ready to be used in 3D games/Unreal Engine 4. It is inconceivable to me that they needed to waste time stealing assets from Honey Select, unless they were tricked by the artist who made the game's models.

Quality post. Very damning.



The models predate the 2 mil, so view things through the lens of their budget when they were requesting ~60k for 3 of them to live off ramen for a few months to make the basegame. This was bushleague from the start. A few posters have alleged that they could have been defrauded by a modeler using this lazy shortcut, but it wouldn't surprise me if they knew exactly what was being done even if this snowballs and they deny it.

I'm pretty sure Illusion is the source of the models on honey select and that everything in their games are inhouse. Considering that, the fact that certain parts are clearly Illusion IP, FOW and subverse are fucked. Doesn't matter if they knew or if they were defrauded, Sword of Damocles is a C&D and lawsuit over IP theft. Everything fruit of the poison tree style about subverse, the prerendered cutscenes, the rigging system, etc. is built on IP theft.

I see no such post on the first page, so I had to google around for a bit and seem to have found it:

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That does look similar, but as you say it could be forged, not like it would be the first time someone has done that just to add fuel to the fire (like the "Netorare Unlocked" photoshop). I'm especially dubious of this screenshot because the post I got it from claims they found it on 4chan.

With that said, I did ask someone else in another discussion about the UV maps and this is what they provided: https://attachments.f95zone.to/2021/04/1138669_unknown.png
Even with the low-quality screenshot you can see they are not the same UV map. The claim that I saw was the the UV maps were "exactly the same", therefore the models were the same, but that's clearly not the case; the entire reason I went into explaining how UV maps are generated from 3D models was to illustrate there are more parts to Subverse's model that simply do not exist on the Honey Select model, because if they did, the program that generated the Honey Select UV maps would've included them. That has nothing to do with how modders put vagina textures on the unused space.

With that said, I stated it's still possible it's a heavily edited model; I agree it's possible that StudioFOW upscaled the model, carved out the crotch to make room for an entirely new vagina model, and enlarged the hands (among other differences), but the fact is you'd need to run a comparison analysis between the two models to identify the telltale signs of editing to prove Subverse's model is actually an edited Honey Select model. This is not something you eyeball and can declare with any confidence is a stolen asset, which leads to my next (somewhat ranty) point...

And I'm sorry, but I'm going to be a little rude here: what the fuck does "What cannot be forged, however, is the end result and I am 99.9% sure that Subverse models use the same hand as Honey Select" even mean? The models look similar, therefore you're positive they're the same? Does the fact that Dead or Alive and 2B can be recreated in Honey Select also mean those three companies all used the same models? Does the fact that Miku Miku Dance and Custom Maid 3D characters look similar make you 99.9% sure they're the same models? They're all chasing variations of the simplified anime aesthetic, of course the end results will look similar. I have absolutely no qualms about the similar results raising suspicions, but it shouldn't be within a fucking mile of a conclusion, especially if that conclusion is "oh, they committed a crime".

I'm trying to keep an open mind here, I will always ask for evidence rather than outright refuse a claim based on second hand accounts, but so far I've seen nothing but evidence that doesn't support the claim and a lot of useless conjecture. That's apparently enough for people who are hellbent on hating the game no matter what, but it shouldn't be for anyone else.

I don't know if anyone has pointed something like this out. Look at the feet too. They look 100% identical to Honey Select models, both hands and feet. StudioFOW are 100% using Honey Select assects in Subverse, but I don't care much, since I'm not gonna buy the game. I just won't give them credit for creating full models, because they used someone else's work and built upon it. And I don't think they asked Illusion for permission.

 

[Grozar]

I don't know if anyone has pointed something like this out. Look at the feet too. They look 100% identical to Honey Select models, both hands and feet. StudioFOW are 100% using Honey Select assects in Subverse, but I don't care much, since I'm not gonna buy the game. I just won't give them credit for creating full models, because they used someone else's work and built upon it. And I don't think they asked Illusion for permission.

April post and now it July and there's no lawsuit from Illusion yet ?, maybe you should email them with all these evidence for further investigation

support@illusion.jp

 

[Synnerai]

April post and now it July and there's no lawsuit from Illusion yet ?, maybe you should email them with all these evidence for further investigation

No need to be defensive. That wasn't some "GOTCHA" shit, just an observation and maybe a criticism towards the authors. Nobody cares enough to do anything with it legaly, including me. And Illusion probably doesn't care either. A lot of people make money using Illusion assets, so if Illusion cared, they would try to shut everything down.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Guys look these feet look similar to other feet. Discuss

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Guys look these feet look similar to other feet. Discuss

...It's a legitimate criticism. I find it amusing how you're reductive when it comes to actual, legit criticism. How is this defensible, if it's true? It's plagiarism.

 

[thevideowatcher65]

...It's a legitimate criticism. I find it amusing how you're reductive when it comes to actual, legit criticism. How is this defensible, if it's true? It's plagiarism.

ofc but who cares. stop pirating if ur bothered by something like identical feet.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

...It's a legitimate criticism. I find it amusing how you're reductive when it comes to actual, legit criticism. How is this defensible, if it's true? It's plagiarism.

Even if it were, reusing assets is not exactly unique in game development. Even on this site you can see a lot of h-games with similar looking women.

Also you really need to look up the definition of plagiarism.

 

[Xenon-San]

My disappointment is immeasurable

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[arpaschad]

And speak of the devil:

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TL;DR for the ones that hate reading:

Ela's questline will have sex integrated into the story, along with 13 more cinematic scenes.

Hydra nebula next to unlock, with over 100 anomalies (assuming this be planets, stations, etc) to see

New enemy faction the Kloi

50+ Pandora scenes coming , including Futa content (System itself will be 'evolving' after the Ela update)

Gallery getting hotfixed soon.

OH NO! A dev note telling the people that they are constantly working on the game and providing content to the detriment of the naysayers and haters?! What has the world come to?

Seriously though, excited for that update...Gonna have me some that Space Elf Chocolate!

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Even if it were, reusing assets is not exactly unique in game development. Even on this site you can see a lot of h-games with similar looking women.

Also you really need to look up the definition of plagiarism.

Except reusing assets in game development is done with permission or license. Even all those shitty Unity games with cloned assets buy a license to use those models or textures, they don't just copy-paste them. This is a professional company using someone else's assets (even if just feet), they're not some small time dead patreon 1 man porn game making team. Of course this is all assuming that guy is right which I don't think or assume he is, I just think that you're too quick to disregard it and all other posts that don't endlessly praise the game or FOW.




Plagiarism
noun

:the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

Deflect more, dude. You sure showed me.





Again, I don't really think they actually stole anything, can't really take one guy's words as gospel about it, what I don't like is your attitude regarding this game and the studio. I lurk this thread at times to see how the game is doing and I always see you obsessively defending them from any possible criticism, going as far as to claim it's fine to steal other's work in game development and other such utter bullshit (even though you have like a dozen posts talking about how difficult game development is and how that makes it okay to shit the bed with your kickstarter goals), and generally just being reductive and disapproving of any contrary thought.

 

[Synnerai]

Maybe post some pictures so we can see for ourselves?

Haha, I would have never thought someone would ask me for feet pics. xDxDxD

 

[slawdos]

Subverse 0.2.1
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[Grozar]

My disappointment is immeasurable

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Reminds me of NLT Media comics before they made games.

 

[dieterko]

Does anyone know if we're keeping our savefiles after patching the game's version to the most recent one, or do we have to play through the whole story again, just to see the gallery function?

 

[Joseph9999]

Anyone have a full save of the update